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Little fuzzy here.
"A pile driver is considered to be any throw where you control your opponent's body placing his feet towards the sky with his head straight down and then forcibly drive your opponents head into the canvas or flooring material. It should be noted when a fighter is placed into a submission hold by their opponent, if that fighter is capable of elevating their opponent they may bring that opponent down in any fashion they desire because they are not in control of their opponent's body. The fighter who is attempting the submission can either adjust their position, or let go of their hold before being slammed to the canvas."
Rose wasn't in a submission attempt on the ground, so it mustve been ruled a submission midair and was therefore legal. However, I still believe that Andrade has control of Rose's body and that I should have been illegal.
Throwing is not spiking. You can lift someone and throw them on their neck or however you like actually.
It's illegal to spear someone vertically on its head though, like grabbing by the chest and spiking them straight down like a pole.
No, it's absolutely not.
The rule about spiking has an exception if the opponent is attempting a submission hold, and Rose was holding for the kimura the whole way which is why she got spiked.
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watched it once and yeah, dont want to see it anymore
that shit just looks way too dangerous
watched it once and yeah, dont want to see it anymore
that shit just looks way too dangerous
She threw her directly onto her head and she could have very easily broken her neck. I've never been more freaked out by the sport. This is fucked up.
If Rose just retired I wouldn't blame her, especially if it turns out Andrade is juicing (which I really think she is).
If Rose just retired I wouldn't blame her, especially if it turns out Andrade is juicing (which I really think she is).
When it was stopped I thought it was because it was illegal, then they said new champ, so I was just confused.
Amazingly Rose looks absolutely fine. She is interesting to read.... like I feel like any other fighter would have been mad that the fight was immediately stopped.
Amazingly Rose looks absolutely fine. She is interesting to read.... like I feel like any other fighter would have been mad that the fight was immediately stopped.
The rules don't make any sense then. A spike is a spike, I thought the whole point of making it illegal is because it could easily be fatal. So it would have been ok that she killed her because Rose was holding onto a grip a certain way?
You can't penalize the offensive fighter because the defensive fighter is putting themselves in a bad position.
Rose had the right game plan but Andrade drew her in with the rushes and then into the clinch. The leg kicks were key because they did hurt and slowed her down. People are correct in saying that Rose was winning until she wasn't though. Andrade was overwhelmed by the technique and speed of Rose, but sheer strength and toughness will sometimes beat technique. All Andrade needed was to grab a hold of Rose or for Rose to grab her. Rose, unintelligently, decided to clinch and hold on to the submission (incorrectly as DC and Masoyama pointed out), and she paid for it.
Huge props to Andrade and her corner for realizing that Rose was slowing down by the leg kicks.
Rose is (was?) dealing with depression and overall mental health issues right? If she still is then I'm not surprised that she said that. Being a champ has a ton of pressure for Rose and I'm not sure whether losing the belt or retaining the belt would add more or less pressure for her mental health.
Huge props to Andrade and her corner for realizing that Rose was slowing down by the leg kicks.
Rose is (was?) dealing with depression and overall mental health issues right? If she still is then I'm not surprised that she said that. Being a champ has a ton of pressure for Rose and I'm not sure whether losing the belt or retaining the belt would add more or less pressure for her mental health.
Yeah pretty much. Protect yourself at all times is rule number 1. MMA is dangerous, tons of way to die. A fighter has no responsibility to control how their opponent reacts or comed down during a slam.
The way I see it (and I'm probably hilariously wrong here and will get quoted a bunch of times) is that this is akin to someone throwing a big knee to the body of another fighter, but before the knee can land, the other fighter drops to his knees and takes the knee to the face. That would be illegal, but the guy who took the knee to the face put himself in that position. The intent wasn't for an illegal knee, so instead it's this gray area where the knee was technically legal.
But Andrade made that decision to spike her, there's no way that was just an accident. You think she was thinking about the rules in the moment? If Rose wasn't going for a grab and then Andrade threw her the same way anyway, the fight gets called off for an illegal move?
Andrade was just trying to slam her to the ground (like she did earlier). She wasn't aiming to spike her, that was just the consequence of Rose not letting go.
And yes, if Andrade spiked her on her head with complete control and Rose wasn't attempting the kimura, it would have been illegal.
Throwing someone on their neck or head is legal.
It is illegal to restrain your opponent, your opponent had no grip on you and you throw them vertically on their head or neck.
I don't believe that it was unintentional. It was directly on her head and she had full control, I legit thought Rose broke her neck in the replay.
She absolutely did not have full control.
Rose had her left arm locked up. That's not full control.
Even more, rose actually changed the trajectory because of the grip. Rose would have rotated past the center line and be thrown on her ribs.if she had let go.
Glad Rose is walking after that sick slam, after some rest I hope she gets a rematch or is in contention and not needing to take a long layoff. That interview looked questionable, I thought they suppose to not interview fighters after being KO like that? Must of been wrong I guess
C'mon man, there's a reason neither Rose or her team complained.
This is the exact wording of the rule:
It's not a grey area, it's literally written into the rule.
It's not a grey area, it's literally written into the rule.
That was all on shitty Rogan after he interviewed a heavily concussed Econoreem. Since he's not there..... Well, you just saw what happened.
There it is. Nice! Thanks fam. Yeah that's what I saw happened too.
I just thought it became a general rule after Reem and Cormier interviews just to not interview fighters who were KO. That KO slam on Rose was scary as fuck tho
It should be but Anik has been his own person so unless Dana and Co. say something he's going to keep interviewing fighters that have been knocked out.
It's usually the production people that tell them who to interview. Anik's not going rogue or anything. lol
Lol. True. That was a weird thing for them to do regardless. Rose just got knocked out by Andrade. Give her some room yo!
I think no matter what Rose should fight Andrade again belt or no belt by the time she recovers. Before that slam she was winning that fight, just made a bad decision to hold that submission that cost her the fight.
I hope she returns before the year is done though. Good fighter
