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TheYanger

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
10,153
Well, now that my 24 hour ban is over, 48 hours later, I don't really have any venue other than this to bring this up. I checked the rules and don't see anything about not making new threads about moderation.

So, background: To my knowledge I have never received a warning or a ban here. On the 3rd I popped into the Overwatch Xbox one X patch thread, saw a guy that was skirting the line between console war crap and not. Decided to respond to it relatively benignly and thought nothing of it. Enter ZhugeEX who apparently decided that somehow my posts broke a rule (Which one I'm not sure, I have thoughts of what it could be considered breaking, I would disagree strongly that it breaks anything, but I'll allow that rules are subjective to an extent and leave it at that), That post is here: https://www.resetera.com/posts/4125388/
If you find this is happening multiple places in your life, it might be worth considering that you are, in fact, the problem. You haven't been attacked, and you're accused of console war garbage BECAUSE YOU ARE BRINGING UP CONSOLE WAR GARBAGE.

Now, under the resetera guidelines, Barring extreme rule breaks I should be given a warning, and only in the case of repeated violations should it read to a ban, or extreme violations (posting porn for instance I would imagine is a quick ban). I was never given a warning, and even other posters in the thread pointed out that it was an arbitrarily harsh ban, and ZhugeEX simply goes "I think it's warranted in this case"...why? Do you have a justification for that? That's some VERY EvilLore level moderation, I like to think we're allowed to roam around this forum without being in coinstant fear of simply being on some moderator's bad side just because they're having a bad day or whatever else.

This all leads to the greater issues at play here than just a single ban:

-It was listed as a 24 hour ban. It was not 24 hours. It was 48. The fact that the ban in the system does NOT match the message, is both deceitful to everyone else, but it's also completely against the very rules for the site at all (which state it should be 24 hours).

-Secondly, having a ban on my record makes it look worse in the future when someone decides to arbitrarily ban me instead of warn me. There's no point in having a warning/ban system if it's not used properly. This is the equivilent of catching me speeding by 1 mph: Yeah, you probably shouldn't have pulled me over at all, but it's made far worse by turning it into a felony instead of just giving me a speeding ticket. Now I've got shit on my record that doesn't belong there under any circuimstance and the odds in the future that someone looks and says "Oh, that ban was pretty lame" are slim, I'm basically now on strike 2 instead of strike 0 like I should be.

-Finally we come to the issue that I have simply no recourse in the case of bad moderation like this, my options were to send an email that will never get read, send a tweet or twitter message that will never get read, or to just ignore it all. I couldn't even log out of the forums without deleting a cookie, or read the rules, or anything else. It basically holds the site hostage which is kind of nuts.

I know people might go 'lol just accept it dude' or whatever, but frankly it's pretty bullshit not to have any oversight or recourse when this shit happens, and AT THE VERY LEAST, a 24 hour ban should actually be 24 hours, instead of blatantly lying to the public.
 

-PXG-

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
6,186
NJ
Ehhhhhhhhh...

If you have any issues with the staff or moderation, I suggest discussing that with them privately.
 

incogneato

Self Requested Ban
Member
Nov 8, 2017
1,119
inb4 lock and all but i believe they dont disclose moderation publicly for legal reasons

lowkey could be fixed by having more to the point reasons for warnings and bans instead of using buzzwords
 

Beartruck

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
4,939
Sounds kinda like you were attacking the other user there. This shouldn't be a thread though.
 

WedgeX

Member
Oct 27, 2017
13,200
Well that reads like a rather personal attack in your quote, context removed.

PM'ing, though, seems far more appropriate way to handle this.
 

Fat4all

Woke up, got a money tag, swears a lot
Member
Oct 25, 2017
92,906
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Sei

Member
Oct 28, 2017
5,713
LA
You were adding fuel to a fire in that thread.

Just take the temp ban, learn from it, and move on. This thread isn't helping.
 

SupremeWu

Banned
Dec 19, 2017
2,856
Is a day or two off from posting when you seemed to need to cool off truly problematic for you?
 

Meatfist

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,292
If only there were messages that could be sent... privately... some sort of private message...
 

-PXG-

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
6,186
NJ
How, exactly? I searched high and low. Twitter is ignored, and the email address even says "Hey we don't check this much"

Well, warnings are issued via PMs. You can simply reply to the person who issued the warning and discuss it with them privately.

This thread is definitely getting locked though by the way.
 
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TheYanger

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
10,153
Not when you're banned, you can't. Seeing as my 24 hour ban lasted double that....
Well, warnings are issued via PMs. You can simply reply to the person who issued the warning and discuss it with them privately.

This thread is definitely getting locked though by the way.
If I had ever gotten a warning, I would not have had any issue to begin with. You cannot PM when you're banned. The ban claimed to be 24 hours and was not.

As for "Dude you were mad" no, I wasn't, I'm sorry that I used caps, but the content of that post is not inflammatory in the least, I literally couldn't have cared less about that thread, so to say I was shocked to come back banned is an understatement.
 
Oct 25, 2017
19,105
Yeah seemed better suited for a warning, but this seems like something you should discuss between you and site leadership. If it was a rampant problem with many people being harshly banned for minor offenses, on top of the advertised time being different from the actual ban time (which seems more like a mistake honestly) then I would think a thread is warranted.
 
Oct 25, 2017
14,651
You post seems fairly benign but the response in general could be considered fanning the flame and not helping. Probably more useful to report the post and move on than to escalate and continue the conversation. However why you got a 2 day ban instead of a warning does confuse me as well. Either way, best to PM a mod about it and hash it out there.

I saw an Admin once say that you can contest a ban/warning you received by pm'ing the mod who banned you. In December I got multiple warnings, and a ban, for trolling but it never said what mod warned/banned me so there was no way to contest it. I did notice that the ban starts the next day, not the day you receive it.

I was under the impression there was something like this in place as well. If there is not that could use some attention.
 

eKongDiddy

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 31, 2017
2,521
Beach City
I saw an Admin once say that you can contest a ban/warning you received by pm'ing the mod who banned you. In December I got multiple warnings, and a ban, for trolling but it never said what mod warned/banned me so there was no way to contest it. I did notice that the ban starts the next day, not the day you receive it.
 

Deleted member 16657

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
10,198
Yeah that's a strange 48 hour ban. Thread will be locked though, you should PM some of the mods I guess.
 

Acerac

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
1,218
Lock incoming.

The criticism of the moderation can only be done where nobody can see it.

For fairness.
 

JORMBO

User requested ban
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
458
The moderation here has been really bad and questionable. I think an open discussion about it may be beneficial, but I'm not sure if the staff would allow it.
 

WarMacheen

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
3,548
Honestly, I've seen some very petty bans on this site. The system in place is definitely better than the old though. You should PM instead of this
 

Deleted member 35204

User requested account closure
Banned
Dec 3, 2017
2,406
PMing mods is useless too, i PMed one of the people ahead of the moderation and 4 days later i have yet to receive a response, even on Twitter no one cared to answer me regarding who i had to contact to discuss about the ban.
 

SupremeWu

Banned
Dec 19, 2017
2,856
In the previous 'modding' situation, criminals and terrible people were being protected to the active detriment of the community; in your situation you were getting lathered up and got a little time-out. No equivalence.
 
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