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Modern Vintage Gamer: The Xbox Series X has a big DRM problem
- Thread starter litebrite
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IIRC, this has been an issue since launch right? I remember this popping up when the servers were hammered.
Awesome vid, DRM is one of those things that I don't mind as I don't see any situation that I wouldn't be connected to xbox live but I do see why other users care about it so much. I do sometimes get messages basically saying "hey do you own this" with games that I own.
Yeah, a lot of people don't seem to realize that Xbox smart delivery game disc only come with the Xbox One version on it. Basically they are like buying the PS4 versions that come with free upgrades. Still, at the very least, the Xbox One version of the game should be playable if you install it without internet.
This doesn't makes sense. That's not DRM. The Xbox needs to download specific files for BC games. Native Series X games don't have any DRM beyond what's expected elsewhere.
This has been happening more or less since the Xbox One days. It's just making the waves now.
You can't setup the console without an account or internet, all xbox one and BC games require internet to install. It's basically a PC but I understand majority of the people who get it will have internet at home. Just means in like 20 years or whatever if the servers are down it will be completely useless.
Yep, learned this via the ME Legendary. Despite there being an 'installation' disc, I still had to download both ME2/3.
That's not actually true for BC Xbox One games. Those games run natively through BC and should not require any additional download to run. Unlike Xbox 360 and OG Xbox games which pull 0 data from the disc.
Basically, if Sony can make it so you can install and play a PS4 game from disc on PS5, Microsoft should be able to do it for Xbox One games.
That isn't DRM, the console needs the profiles to make any BC game work.
I believe these are downloaded / refreshed every 25 minutes or when requested.
I guess a good solution would be if you could manually apply these via USB or an offline installer, a little like how 360 did it.
I believe these are downloaded / refreshed every 25 minutes or when requested.
I guess a good solution would be if you could manually apply these via USB or an offline installer, a little like how 360 did it.
why it needed for Xbox One titles? PS5 plays PS4 games without PSN whatsoever
This is why I'm skipping a lot of so called Smart Delivery games because the XSX version isn't on the disc.
Why require them in the first place? Why can't Xbox One games run without these profiles? If it is a compatibility thing why require it for all Xbox One games?
Wasn't this answered here?
www.resetera.com
So the Xbox Series X has one time DRM for disc based games? Even single player? [Answered at Threadmark]
Yeah thats why I'm hoping someone will do a test lol
www.resetera.com
This is interesting, because I got into some debates about this before when talking about the game size comparisons. I thought this was the case, someone tried to tell me otherwise.
I tried to explain how I thought Smart Delivery worked.
PS5 uses an entirely different setup, which has it's own set of limitations in terms of what it can achieve.
The machine isn't an Xbox one, The point is, it's downloading the config data to make them compatible. As I said, this was how the 360 did it, albeit in a single lump download you needed to update.
Honestly, I don't really blame Microsoft for this. If you think about it, it is the best solution for Smart Delivery. OG Xbox Ones cannot read UHD disc so unless they go Sony's route of releasing two versions of every game, this was the logical conclusion.
Obviously it's not an Xbox One. My point is that Sony found a way to do it without an internet connection and Microsoft certainly could. The reason they didn't is because they have no problem requiring an internet connection. Which is to say that Microsoft doesn't think this is an issue and neither do most other people who embraced the digital future (myself included).
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And this is it in a nutshell.
Been telling folks there are pros n cons to how each console does things. Some cant seem to grasp this tho, lol.
Exactly,
I have said before I can at least appreciate they way Sony does it because it makes it crystal clear whats PS4 and PS5.
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I have this problem constantly on my Xbox One X. It's super annoying.
I don't see it much on my Series X.
I don't see it much on my Series X.
Wasn't this answered here?
So the Xbox Series X has one time DRM for disc based games? Even single player? [Answered at Threadmark]
Yeah thats why I'm hoping someone will do a test lol
Yes it was. Clearly stated. I feel very sorry for anyone who actually needs to worry about this. If your internet is that bad how do you even live ;)
I had an issue a few weeks back with NieR Replicant on my SX, when my internet went down for a few minutes and I got kicked out of the game with the "Do you own this game?" message until it could reconnect to XBL. The game was bought from the Microsoft Store and is being played on my main (read: only) Series X on my main account, so no idea how that happened.
Their BC solutions are different. Its why PS5 games running on BC are usually a little less upgraded.
Each individual Xbox game has some configuration files that need to be downloaded to play.
That's not DRM
You can't install any BC games if you have no connection. Each game needs to download a little config file when it first boots or it won't work. You're fine after the initial install though.
If they are already installed it won't cause a problem, however if the configuration servers are down, then you wouldn't be able to run them.
Those data that comes through is more than just BC data, you'd be having all kinds of problems.
It's not, but it's effectively the same thing. At the end of the day the people who are upset about are the ones thinking about game preservation. They won't be able to play smart delivery games without internet access or if the store is dead. I guess the difference is if they want to play a smart delivery game they could always just get an xbox one instead of a series x 25 years from now.
its a difference in how the backwards compatibility works between the two companies.
a playstation 5 basically pretends that it is a ps4 to run its games
an xbox series x doesnt, it runs the game in the same manner it would a native version.
So the console needs to download a compatibility shim that is unique to each title
Yeah, this is why the 'requiring a connection to install a BC game' isn't really an issue for me, in terms of preservation.
As long as the original hardware (360, Xbox One etc) can still be used, it's not a preservation problem. Its just a problem installing BC software on hardware it was never meant to be installed on. Which is annoying but ultimately not that surprising.
Just grab an Xbox One and install it there as normal if the servers ever go down forever.
If Microsoft can retrospective apply HDR, triple the resolution and double the framerates of games they didn't make, then why can't Sony?
Because they have entirely different hardware and operating system setups.
but anyway, Perhaps Microsoft could include a cache of that data within OS installation.
A while back I uninstalled Immortals Fenix Rising and then reinstalled it offline (was curious what was on the disc) and I was able to play it without issue. Couldn't tell if there was a Series X enhancement though, game was running at 60fps but it could have just been uncapped without patches.
Now I'm curious if that config data hangs around even after you uninstall a game, if it's that small I'd like the option to just download them all to my machine locally.
Now I'm curious if that config data hangs around even after you uninstall a game, if it's that small I'd like the option to just download them all to my machine locally.
Just my opinion, but this is the way the wind has been blowing for a while now-- games are living documents that require patches and updates from day one, making physical discs not much more than license keys anyway. Why not use this fact to achieve a cool bit of convenience in making the same disc function as a key for multiple console versions.
I mean if you bought something and it didn't work straight out of the box what would you call it lol
I understand how it works. I am saying that the different approaches are a difference in philosophy. Microsoft decided this route was the route that made the most sense and they had no issues requiring an internet connection because they don't think it's a problem.
Same, I am okay with it. Honestly, I jailbreak my consoles once they reach end of life so one way or another, I will be able to play my games.
...yes?
No one sees this stuff as a problem because they haven't had issues with their internet providers I suppose. Earlier last year I was without internet at home for a month because sheaningans. An Xbox would have been a paperweight.
This is semantics for sure as I already said it's effectively the same thing, but I wouldn't call it DRM lol. When your inflatable pool doesn't work out the box do you call it DRM?
Or they can just download the games and keep it on an external harddrive.
If game preservation is the issue then there are options around this as you said buy the console the game was originally released for. Or hold on to a backup HD with all the games installed which is what anyone who's serious about games preservation should be doing anyway. I think it's a bit unreasonable to expect a console to play 4+ generations of games natively straight from the disc with no need for any updates.
Either way this isn't DRM so it shouldn't be framed as such.
Boom, didn't think of that. He didn't test that in the video but they would install the game like normal, connect the drive, move the game and there it is. I don't see how that couldn't work. Anyone test this?
Feels like we're going a bit overboard with critizing DRM these days, no? BC games literally can not work out of the box, unless Microsoft lets you download every single emulator and all files required for all BC games offline, the only solution is to reprint OG and 360 discs.
Same. Online drm to me is the same as no drm. I understand other peoples concern tho.