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Marukoban

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Oct 29, 2017
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Is Capcom crazy? How the hell is this late port with what looks like terrible optimization cost more than PS4 version at launch?
FYI in my country Steam regular version cost S$85 (equivalent US$62.76), deluxe version S$97.76 (equivalent US$72.18).
PS4 version at launch can be gotten for like S$67 (equivalent US$49.47).
Currently PS4 version is selling at S$40.90 (equivalent US$30.20).
Seems like it's an easy skip for me lol.
 

texhnolyze

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Oct 25, 2017
23,171
Indonesia
Yes. That's the definition of hyperbole.
Sure. Let's say that it runs fine as you said. I'm so sorry I said 'it runs quite badly'.

To avoid further hyperbole, I'll use DF's words instead then. According to DF, the base PS4 version is:
  • 1080p, frame rate hangs around 30 but can drop a lot
  • No option to cap FPS to 30
  • Frame time spikes all over the place
  • Base PS4 performance mostly same as Beta
 

Defuser

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Oct 25, 2017
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Is Capcom crazy? How the hell is this late port with what looks like terrible optimization cost more than PS4 version at launch?
FYI in my country Steam regular version cost S$85 (equivalent US$62.76), deluxe version S$97.76 (equivalent US$72.18).
PS4 version at launch can be gotten for like S$67 (equivalent US$49.47).
Currently PS4 version is selling at S$40.90 (equivalent US$30.20).
Seems like it's an easy skip for me lol.
They are just following SE example of Nier Automata PC in asian region. Blame SE :(
 

Conkerkid11

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yes, that is exactly what it means. I own the game, I've got hundreds of hours in the game, you're acting like it runs like fucking Goldeneye or something. It runs about as well as every 30 fps console game does. That's like saying Bloodbourne which has similar issues doesn't run fine. No, it doesn't run flawlessly, nor could it not run better (it obviously could), but it is absolutely 'fine' ffs.
Bloodborne doesn't run fine though.
 

leng jai

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Nov 2, 2017
15,119
Bloodborne and Monster Hunter both easily fall under the "bad performance" category on base consoles.
 

texhnolyze

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Oct 25, 2017
23,171
Indonesia
They are just following SE example of Nier Automata PC in asian region. Blame SE :(
Nier Automata is a full $60 game on my region, but MH World is $35.

When it comes to regional pricing, it's always been hit and miss. Sometimes you got lucky, sometimes you don't.

Bloodborne and Monster Hunter both easily fall under the "bad performance" category on base consoles.
Stop with the hyperbole!
 

Marukoban

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Oct 29, 2017
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Nier Automata is a full $60 game on my region, but MH World is $35.

When it comes to regional pricing, it's always been hit and miss. Sometimes you got lucky, sometimes you don't.


Stop with the hyperbole!

It has been more miss than hit from big publisher on Steam lately in my country.
The only release with decent regional pricing are smaller releases from company like XSeed, or SE classic ports like Chrono Trigger.
MHW, however, is on a whole another level in terms of being the most expensive at launch.
 

Deleted member 8001

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Oct 26, 2017
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So this is our first major Monster Hunter release on PC and people are whining it's full price?

No wonder PC lacks ports of so many games.
 

cowbanana

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PC is my preferred platform, but I did pick up MHW for my PS4 Pro because I wanted to play it right away. It's an amazing game. It's coming to PC not too far after the console release.

I see from this thread that Capcom probably shouldn't have bothered with a PC version at all. The amount of baseless whining in this thread is simply pathetic. It's like most people here, who are complaining about pricing, are unfamiliar with sites like cdkeys and GMG. I personally can't remember the last time I bought a PC game directly on Steam at the inflated list price. I've literally experienced more measured and mature behaviour from a bunch of kids in first grade.
 

GhostTrick

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Oct 25, 2017
11,315
Not sure I am. There's a reason why the recommended specs are for 30 fps @1080p. It looks like you're going to need a 1080Ti to run this game at 60 fps. Maybe a GTX 1080 will get close.


Oh, please, enlight me.
Do you know what the high setting entails ? How does it compare with the console version ?
There's a resolution scale setting btw. Can you tell me what "High" in the resolution scale setting means ? :)
Enlight me about how these specs only gets you 1080p@30fps.
 

leng jai

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Nov 2, 2017
15,119
PC is my preferred platform, but I did pick up MHW for my PS4 Pro because I wanted to play it right away. It's an amazing game. It's coming to PC not too far after the console release.

I see from this thread that Capcom probably shouldn't have bothered with a PC version at all. The amount of baseless whining in this thread is simply pathetic. It's like most people here, who are complaining about pricing, are unfamiliar with sites like cdkeys and GMG. I personally can't remember the last time I bought a PC game directly on Steam at the inflated list price. I've literally experienced more measured and mature behaviour from a bunch of kids in first grade.

The list price directly affects how much it will be at GMG or Cdkeys, it's all relevant. Even at GMG it will be $45 at best which is still pricey for a port that is 8 months late.
 

texhnolyze

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Oct 25, 2017
23,171
Indonesia
Not sure I am. There's a reason why the recommended specs are for 30 fps @1080p. It looks like you're going to need a 1080Ti to run this game at 60 fps. Maybe a GTX 1080 will get close.
Here's the recommended specs for Final Fantasy XV.

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Tl;dr - it means nothing.
 

Deleted member 27751

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Oct 30, 2017
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So this is our first major Monster Hunter release on PC and people are whining it's full price?

No wonder PC lacks ports of so many games.
Port. That's the key word here. They (Capcom) have said it has parity to consoles bar 4k/60fps which is in no way worth the extra wait time and higher price tag. That ain't whining, that's pointing out clear lack of care by Capcom and to get as much from double dippers as possible.

It is $80AUD here, and even the console versions were $69 here on launch. That is whack and you really can not spin it any other way. But by all accounts claim criticism as whining and that this is the reason we don't get PC versions.
PC is my preferred platform, but I did pick up MHW for my PS4 Pro because I wanted to play it right away. It's an amazing game. It's coming to PC not too far after the console release.

I see from this thread that Capcom probably shouldn't have bothered with a PC version at all. The amount of baseless whining in this thread is simply pathetic. It's like most people here, who are complaining about pricing, are unfamiliar with sites like cdkeys and GMG. I personally can't remember the last time I bought a PC game directly on Steam at the inflated list price. I've literally experienced more measured and mature behaviour from a bunch of kids in first grade.
Ah yes, the "don't criticise because you can get it at cd key sites!" argument that gets trotted out for defending high prices and lack of really anything for an 8 month delay. Please, that is in no way a reason to excuse high prices and just shows how inflated those costs actually are.
 

packy17

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Oct 27, 2017
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How hard is it to play with friends? I've heard some weird things about MP in this game, and I'm less interested in getting it if I can't play with friends relatively easily.
 

sredgrin

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Oct 27, 2017
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You are all acting immature! - Guys that are saying they should not make a version of a game based on some comments on a forum thread.
 

Vuze

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Oct 25, 2017
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How hard is it to play with friends? I've heard some weird things about MP in this game, and I'm less interested in getting it if I can't play with friends relatively easily.
Yeah, it's pretty annoying to play through the story with friends. Basically you have to have seen the cutscene of a story quest before your friends can join you for whatever silly reason. Other, regular gameplay is fine.

Hopefully all the QoL fixes they did over the course of the past months are in the day one version of the PC release... judging by the lack of the title updates content, I fear they won't be which would be terrible practice
 

mario_O

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Nov 15, 2017
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Oh, please, enlight me.
Do you know what the high setting entails ? How does it compare with the console version ?
There's a resolution scale setting btw. Can you tell me what "High" in the resolution scale setting means ? :)
Enlight me about how these specs only gets you 1080p@30fps.

Sure, they're recommending 1080p with x4 supersampling. "We said 1080p but we lied! It's 4K!!" ;) C'mon now.
I would say wait for reviews or the DF analysis, and don't preorder.
 

GhostTrick

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Oct 25, 2017
11,315
Sure, they're recommending 1080p with x4 supersampling. "We said 1080p but we lied! It's 4K!!" ;) C'mon now.
I would say wait for reviews or the DF analysis, and don't preorder.


They said high setting. If high setting includes a supersampling option in the "resolution scale" where would be the problem here ?
 

thetrin

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Oct 26, 2017
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Atlanta, GA
That's the thing, you play on a Pro.
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I play on a Pro NOW. Read my post again. I played on a regular PS4 until like, a month ago.

EDIT: Maybe my original post wasn't 100% clear.

What I meant was "I had no issues when I first played it, and it only got better when I got a Pro."

Looks like no reason to buy the game on either Xbox One or PS4 now.
Maybe not now, but the 6 month headstart sure was nice.
 

brainchild

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Nov 25, 2017
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I, for one, am super excited to play this game. You guys feel free to continuing whining though.
 

Shinrou

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Oct 28, 2017
1,648
Finland
Reading through the thread just further confirms how everything is inevitably the worst case scenario performance-wise before we have actually seen anything. I mean it's okay to be skeptical but I don't think anyone should just plain state that this is a shit port based on just some spec-sheet without any more concrete proof from real life scenario.

There could be one or two settings when turned down will skyrocket the FPS. That "High" will probably mean the max settings you can crank. Then again I have no idea either.

The point is, wait and see for more information before doing hasty judging about the quality of the port.
 

Ravelle

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Oct 31, 2017
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I need to get that platinum before it launches because I don't think I'll be able to return.

Also Gen Ultimate and World at the same time is gonna be something else.
 

GhostTrick

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Oct 25, 2017
11,315
The criticism is more about the content and features of the port rather than the specs that are asked.



As for the features of the port, if we're talking about graphical ones, the options seems pretty extensive and we'll have to see what they'll do and how they compare to console releases. Capcom should've communicated about it instead of just hearing from PC Gamer an answer from Tsujimoto in a translated QA, which might have lost meaning in the process.
 

Ascheroth

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Oct 25, 2017
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The criticism is more about the content and features of the port rather than the specs that are asked.
Content is fair criticism, features of the port isn't when we have not really seen much.
I mean the graphics options make me think 'console parity' is a mistranslation/misunderstanding or refers to extra features like Hairworks and stuff.

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This looks fine to me. (Lol at "Mesh Lod Level Bias Help Message", someone is still working on things :) )
 

Shinrou

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Oct 28, 2017
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Finland
I'm actually impressed how "vast" the graphic settings are. I wasn't expecting even half of those settings to be honest. Something like toning down/disabling AO will probably give quite a massive FPS-boost by itself if FPS is the priority.
 

brainchild

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Nov 25, 2017
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Ah, the good old dismissal of any criticism as whining...

I'm not dismissing any actual criticism. I'm just expressing that I'm glad that I'll be able to play the game on PC, even if everyone else isn't happy with how it turned out (and technically the game isn't even out yet).

Yes, the port isn't perfect, but it's practically a miracle that we're getting the game in a semi-decent time frame, so I'm not gonna complain unless the game has some serious technical issues. You and whoever else are free to continue lodging your complaints/criticisms however you see fit.
 

Serious Sam

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Oct 27, 2017
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Where is this narrative about bad optimization coming from? Seems like most people aren't aware that GTX1060 3GB isn't the same as GTX1060 6GB. And I'm not talking just about VRAM difference, number of CUDA cores is different as well 1152 vs 1280. Nvidia is partly to blame for confusion in making people think all 1060s are equal.
 

Ascheroth

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Oct 25, 2017
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Where is this narrative about bad optimization coming from? Seems like most people aren't aware that GTX1060 3GB isn't the same as GTX1060 6GB. And I'm not talking just about VRAM difference, number of CUDA cores is different as well 1152 vs 1280. Nvidia is partly to blame for confusion in making people think all 1060s are equal.
And we don't even know what "High" settings actually are.
For all we know Resolution Scaling on High means downsampling from 4k. Or there's a super-expensive effect that gives you 20fps when you put it from High to Medium without noticeably looking worse (*cough* shadows *cough*)
I'm all for giving Capcom flak for the high price + deluxe edition nonsense, but some of the complaining in here is quite premature.
 

Deleted member 10549

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Oct 27, 2017
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I waited for this game since it was announced. Now it turns out I have to pay 70$ in my country for this game. I can't even describe my disappointment.
 

ezodagrom

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Oct 25, 2017
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Portugal
Here's the recommended specs for Final Fantasy XV.

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Tl;dr - it means nothing.
Those requirements are not innacurate, based on what I tried from the demo, my GTX 1060 couldn't run at a stable 1080p60 with gameworks features disabled, so a stable 1080p30 is all they can guarantee.
I assume it's a similar case here, saying that a 1060 runs at 1080p30 only means that it doesn't run at a stable 1080p60, I guess.
 

JonnyTorso

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Nov 2, 2017
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Hey all right, my gtx 670 4GB might still be able to run it.

Here's hoping the requirements are a little over exaggerated.