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We Were Eight Years in Power: Years 1-3

My thoughts...sorry for the length. I've never been great at editing. This book doesn't really lend itself to spoilers, but I'd skip over this post if you haven't finished years 1-3 of the book.

Intro

The symbolic power of Barack Obama's presidency—that whiteness was no longer strong enough to prevent peons from taking up residence in the castle—assaulted the most deeply rooted notions of white supremacy and instilled fear in its adherents and beneficiaries. And it was that fear that gave the symbols Donald Trump deployed—the symbols of racism—enough potency to make him president, and thus put him in position to injure the world.
- Ta-Nehisi Coates​

Through his writing, Coates forces me confront the horror that white supremacy is as interwoven into the fabric of America as the stars and stripes on our flag. I've always believed in Theodore Parker's assertion (more recently attributed to Martin Luther King, Jr.) that the arc of the moral universe is long but it bends toward justice. Coates repeatedly challenges the belief that we're evolving towards a better version of ourselves, where we recognize the intrinsic value of everyone, regardless of race, ethnicity, or gender. He instead argues that the same nation created on the backbone of slavery still holds the belief in the superiority of whiteness. I may have been absolutely stunned to see a racist, misogynistic, worthless asshole like Donald Trump become tolerated, then accepted, then elected to highest public office in America, but Coates views it as the natural progression of "us versus them."

A theme woven through these first three essays is that white supremacists cannot witness a black person succeed without feeling threatened. Obama could only be elected after the nation fell into a catastrophic economic depression. The same racists who would later compare him and his wife to monkeys could only accept him apprehensively by pointing out that Obama was mixed race. I personally know two people who said, "Obama isn't black, he's half-white" during the Democratic primaries. As if he could only be "so well spoken" and "so polished" because of the white side of his racial heritage.

Once in office, Obama's early successes brought out the worst in those people. White supremacists thrive off their assumptions about black inferiority. Obama's successes challenge their core belief in white power and white leadership. Coates compares this to the "good Negro government" that came about after the Civil War, where freed blacks proved capable of governing as well as their white predecessors. White southerners couldn't tolerate that, as it destabilized their entire theory of racial superiority.

Trump capitalized on this same belief in 2016. He started his political career by questioning Obama's citizenship, and later convinced white voters that Obama was the "other" they feared. As the urban-rural split in America continues, manufacturing jobs head overseas, and services jobs become concentrated in large metropolitan areas, rural white voters have felt left behind. Instead of being honest about their situation and reflecting on what they can do to improve their lives, they'd rather blame the "other" for their predicament. Personal failings aren't the result of lack of education or job opportunities, but of illegal minorities stealing work. The very fabric of Trumpism is to shift blame away from unsuccessful white people onto blacks and Hispanics. Trump never had any intention to "Make American Great Again." He simply wants to blame America's problems on others. As Trump continues to fail at even the basic tasks of governance, these people merely blame those failures on minorities and liberals. Trump, an individual who takes no personal responsibility for his mistakes, is the perfect embodiment of the blame shifting these voters sought.

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First Year

I know now that that hunger is a retreat from the knotty present into myth and that what ultimately awaits those who retreat into fairy tales, who seek refuge in the mad pursuit to be made great again, in the image of a greatness that never was, is tragedy.
- Ta-Nehisi Coates​

Reading this essay with my 2017 perspective of Bill Cosby robs this essay of some of its power, and Coates acknowledges as much. But I do recall that brief period in the late 2000s when Cosby began spreading his "bootstraps" mantra. I've met plenty of these people in my life (particularly in my line of work), firm believers in the American dream and a system of upward mobility available to anyone (everyone!) who puts in work. It's far easier to blame generational poverty on lackadaisical work ethic than to study the root causes. Everyone in America has that story of their grandfather, or great-grandfather who built their life from scratch and bettered the life of their progeny. It doesn't matter that these men were almost universally white and they lived in a time before outsourcing and shareholder dividends and $50 million golden parachutes for failing CEOs. It doesn't matter that these men were very likely uneducated or unskilled. They succeeded and so can we.

Cosby pushed his narrative that black Americans need to stop considering themselves victims to a system and instead pull up their pants (literally), stop listening to all that damn hip hop, and embrace more personal responsibility. All this is particularly (and abhorrently) ironic from a man currently on trial for drugging, raping, and sexually assaulting more than 33 women, but Cosby is far from the only prophet for this story line.

Coates doesn't argue that norms, behaviors, and culture are irrelevant to employment opportunities. Instead, he's concerned why this argument overshadows the more important problem of structural inequality: "in 2001, a researcher sent out black and white job applicants in Milwaukee, randomly assigning them a criminal record. The researcher concluded that a white man with a criminal record had about the same chance of getting a job as a black man without one. Three years later, researchers produced the same results in New York under more rigorous conditions."

Wealthy people often spread a self-creation myth to explain their stature in life, and Cosby is no different. These myths ignore the multitude of doors that were opened for them along the way. Inheritance. Family connections. Social networks. Educational opportunities. It's easier to blame "black cultural opposition" for unemployment and criminal records than it is to study the doors that were never opened for those battling poverty.

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Second Year

If you're looking for the heralds of a "post-racial" America, if that adjective is ever to be more than a stupid, unlettered flourish, then look to those, like Michelle Obama, with a sense of security in who they are—those, black or white, who hold blackness as more than the losing end of racism.
- Ta-Nehisi Coates
I loved this essay. I love Michelle Obama. She's the best first lady our nation has ever known, and we didn't deserve her.

Michelle Obama stated, "For the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country, because it feels like hope is finally making a comeback," with an honesty I don't expect from a public figure. She spoke the truth of her feelings, and white America crucified her for it. I recall the immediate backlash, fueled by hair-on-fire Fox News rants and jingoistic nationalists who have never lifted a finger for America BUT THEY LOVE THIS PLACE, GOD DAMN IT! We've always had the "if you don't love America then leave!" simpletons, but they really crawled out of the woodwork against Michelle Obama. People didn't just question her loyalty and love for America. They questioned her very humanity. People shared (and still share) memes comparing her to a gorilla. It doesn't matter if those fucktards are Russian trolls or white supremacists within our borders, for they've made equal contributions to our nation: nothing.

Coates describes how segregation in the post-1960s shielded many blacks from feeling different, as they were surrounded by others from a similar cultural background. Coates argues that Michelle Obama was somewhat shielded from systemic racism as a child, and was therefore well suited to serve as a lighthouse for liberal ideals that included everyone. At the same time, she also grew up in the world were Rodney King was beaten on live television and his assailants walked free. The harsh realities of racism dimmed Michelle's lighthouse over the years. When America embraced her family's message of hope with Barack's election, she felt a natural surge in pride about the nation and its future. That flew in the face of white nationalism and identity politics, and Michelle was made to be a monster.

We never deserved her. I have my doubts we'll ever see her equal in office.

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Third Year

"Son," my father said of Obama, "you know the country got to be messed up for them folks to give him the job." The economy was on the brink. The blood of untold numbers of Iraqis was on our hands. Katrina had shamed the society. From this other angle, post-racialism and good feeling were taken up not so much out of elevation in consciousness but out of desperation. It all makes so much sense now. The pageantry, the math, the magazines, the essays heralded an end to the old country with all its divisions. We forgot that there were those who loved that old country as it was, who did not lament the divisions but drew power from them.
- Ta-Nehisi Coates​

My favorite essay of the three, and by far the most challenging. A few years ago I traveled to Germany with my wife and son and we visited a concentration camp. The scenes were horrible, unimaginable. I cried multiple times, not because I have a personal connection with the Jewish culture, but because I'm human. I struggled to wrap my mind around the atrocities that happened on that site.

There was a high school class visiting the camp that day as part of their curriculum. Their presence spoke to the fact that Germans have confronted the unspeakable actions of their ancestors with an honesty and open shame that is refreshing in a world of victim-blaming and whataboutisms.

Americans have done the direct opposite with our revisionist understanding of the Civil War, preferring to focus on "great men" who lost their lives in order to defend their personal freedom and states rights. It's a great lie our history books perpetuate and we pass down to our children. An entire generation of southern whites (including some in my extended family) fly the Confederate flag in defiance of the "other." States rights sounds better when spoken than slavery and white supremacy, but the veil is thin.

The heaviest hitting passage to me was the following: "It is not a mistake that Gone with the Wind is one of the most read works of American literature or that The Birth of a Nation is the most revered touchstone of all American film. Both emerge from a need for palliatives and painkillers, an escape from the truth of those five short years in which 750,000 American soldiers were killed, more than all American soldiers killed in all other American wars combined, in a war declared for the cause of expanding 'African slavery.' That war was inaugurated not reluctantly, but lustily, by men who believed property in humans to be the cornerstone of civilization, to be an edict of God, and so delivered their own children to his maw. And when that war was done, the now-defeated God lived on, honored through the human sacrifice of lynching and racist pogroms. The history breaks the myth. And so the history is ignored, and fictions are weaved into our art and politics that dress villainy in martyrdom and transform banditry into chivalry, and so strong are these fictions that their emblem, the stars and bars, darkens front porches and state capitol buildings across the land to this day."

The Civil War was fought to preserve an economic system relying on enslaved human labor, but acknowledging that requires us to admit that our nation was built on the backs of others. The narrative of America as a beacon of freedom and hope is incongruous with our origin, so the origin must be revised. Slavery and the slaves themselves become an afterthought to the stories of brave white heroes fighting on both sides. Americans have all heard the narrative of brother fighting brother, but we conveniently ignore they fought over whether or not slavery would continue in America. History books gloss over the root cause in favor of glorified tales of bravery and tactical brilliance.

I've visited several Civil War sites to include Sumter, Manassas, and Gettysburg. The museums there showcased weaponry and featured maps detailing the advances and retreats that occurred there. Mentions of slavery are few and far between, overshadowed by the tales of expert generals maneuvering men to their deaths.

As recently as this past week, White House chief of staff, John Kelly, perpetuated this lie by blaming the Civil War on both sides being unable to compromise. Kelly keep cementing himself as a spineless ideologue, but his statement is particularly damning for two reasons. First, it treats the enslavement of black people by white Americans as a bargaining chip that could have led to a compromise. Secondly, it ignores the many pathetic compromises the northern states in the union made in the time leading up to the war (Coates mentions the Missouri Compromise, the Fugitive Slave Act, and the Kansas-Nebraska Act). The north did make compromises that resulted in the continued enslavement of black people in the south. I'm not shocked the same man who argued in favor of building a physical wall blocking brown people from entering America would spread the lie that the Civil War was just one big misunderstanding.

I'd love to read an updated take on this essay from Coates in light of white supremacists marching in Charlottesville and vowing to defend the statues of Confederate leaders. Only in America can the side who defended slavery and lost the war build monuments to the losing side. Revisionist history provides the veil that these statues represent a cultural heritage we must protect, instead of the chains of slavery they actually embody.
 
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gosublime

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Great write up, Tragicomedy - really impressive. Couple of quick questions:

In the U.K. we hear a lot about this 'American Dream' - our PM has even tried to come up with the 'British Dream' in her latest conference speech. Is it as pervasive as it seems? How can Americans buy into it so much when there are clearly people who have worked hard and not risen to the top?

Do the North and South teach slavery differently? I can understand why the South might not want to admit that it was because of slavery, but are the Northern states not able to teach about it being a root cause, as they won so should not have the same issue.

I always found unthinking patriotism difficult to wrap my head around. I think you are more of a patriot if you accept your country's mistakes and try to learn from them - surely it's fairly reasonable that a black woman such as Michelle might not feel very proud of her country but can still be a patriot. Does America talk about slavery at dinner parties or is it one of those subjects that never comes up? It seems like some White Americans have never heard that a black American could maybe not be proud of the history of their country.

Also - as an aside, I think every school pupil in Germany is required to visit a Concentration Camp (could be wrong on this). Would you want such a system in the U.S. - if it doesn't exist already?
 

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What's Era thoughts on the convenience/downsides of Scribd vs Kindle/Audible?

I've been using Kindle/Audible for awhile now, but I like the fact that Scribd offers access to a wide library of documents and books. I've been using the free trial for awhile, but am still wondering if it's worth investing money and time into.
 
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Just started Mossflower, the prequel to Redwall. I've always wanted to immerse myself in this world. The concept of a high fantasy realm full of woodland critters equipped with swords, axes, and arrows never fails to put a smile on my face.

Fantasy is my genre of choice, but I have trouble remembering irregular names and places. Hopefully I can train my brain a bit with the Redwall series. Has anyone else had to overcome this hurdle as a reader?
 

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Just started Mossflower, the prequel to Redwall. I've always wanted to immerse myself in this world. The concept of a high fantasy realm full of woodland critters equipped with swords, axes, and arrows never fails to put a smile on my face.

Fantasy is my genre of choice, but I have trouble remembering irregular names and places. Hopefully I can train my brain a bit with the Redwall series. Has anyone else had to overcome this hurdle as a reader?
if the names are too similar, yes. I have trouble with Tom Clancy because of it. fantasy books are actually easier because the made up names are usually more memorable.
 

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Out of interest what one would you recommend? I've been interested in ubik after seeing an excerpt on twitter.

I am about 170 pages into "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" and it's a fairly short book, and a fun read. It's especially fun to see how the original varies from the movie. And while the book does have its flaws, it is entertaining and does some elements very well. I'd definitely say you can't go wrong starting with this book.
 

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Finishing the last vestiges of Isaac Asimov's oeuvre with the lesser known Nemesis.

And rereading Call Me by Your Name by Andre Aciman in light of the recently released adaptation, directed by Luca Guadagnino and starring Timothee Chalamet and Armie Hammer.
 

Redcrayon

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All the Pretty Horses was okay - got to admit that it didn't really grasp my attention too much by the end.

Read some of the Philip K Dick stories that make up Electric Dreams today also...

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B071X4RMZ4/?tag=e100-21

Only read 3 so far but I absolutely loved The Impossible Planet.
I was a bit disappointed tonight to see that the final 4 episodes of Electric Dreams aren't broadcasting until next year, I've quite enjoyed them so far.
 

MilkBeard

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I was a bit disappointed tonight to see that the final 4 episodes of Electric Dreams aren't broadcasting until next year, I've quite enjoyed them so far.

Yeah, that's disappointing. Even though the show has been up and down in quality, I've enjoyed watching all of them. There's never enough deep sci-fi out there in television. And actually, the last two episodes I found to be quite good, aside from the ending scene from "Real Life" being a bit ham-fisted.
 

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I was a bit disappointed tonight to see that the final 4 episodes of Electric Dreams aren't broadcasting until next year, I've quite enjoyed them so far.

Yeah I noticed this - was it planned to be that way from the start?

Of the stories I've read, I've only watched The Commuter and it was fun to see the differences.
 

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Does anyone think we should make a ResetEra Goodreads group? We had one on the old forum, although it was inactive, but since we have a monthly book club now it might be useful.
 
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Does anyone think we should make a ResetEra Goodreads group? We had one on the old forum, although it was inactive, but since we have a monthly book club now it might be useful.

I support this! I was in the old one but it was pretty dead. If many users would use it and update what they're reading plus the book of the month, it would be fantastic.
 

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Currently reading the Illuminatus Trilogy. It's got a zaniness similar to Hitchikers but man I keep getting lost. Chapters later returning to characters you were introduced to once and expecting to remember everything about them.

I'm enjoying it but I've got the trilogy and feel compelled to read it all. Quite a tome.
 

Redcrayon

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Yeah, that's disappointing. Even though the show has been up and down in quality, I've enjoyed watching all of them. There's never enough deep sci-fi out there in television. And actually, the last two episodes I found to be quite good, aside from the ending scene from "Real Life" being a bit ham-fisted.
Yeah, they've been a bit of a mixed bag, but that's one of the good things about an anthology show. I feel that generally the art direction and acting are good, but they are struggling with the length- often it's an interesting concept that starts with a bang, then goes into a holding pattern before a twist ending. That's a common downfall for short stories but not particularly PK Dick's work.
 

Redcrayon

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Yeah I noticed this - was it planned to be that way from the start?

Of the stories I've read, I've only watched The Commuter and it was fun to see the differences.
Yes, it was meant to be this way, no idea why and considering they also had a week's break for Formula One it makes me wonder exactly how committed Channel 4 is to it. That's one of the things that really annoys me about the UK approach to shows like this, they did the same to The Outer Limits in the 90s too.
 

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Just read this yesterday. A story about a Robot trying to find their identity and a woman trying to come to terms with the choices she has made in her life. There are some very cool ideas in this book as well as a thoughtful look at gender, sexuality, and robotic consciousness.
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Just read this earlier today. I saw that movie trailer and had to see what it was all about. I am still not sure what I think of it. There were some really strange parts in this book, leaving me with more questions than answers. I guess that's why it is a trilogy.


Going to start reading a lot more. After this latest batch of games I have been playing (Mario, Wolfenstein, etc.) I am done for a bit after Horizon Zero Dawns DLC. Hope to be in here more often.


Oh damn a book club, and with Ta-Nehisis Coates? I am in. Just bought it.
 
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Wild Times: An Oral History of Wildstorm Studios
It's a very interesting book about the history of Wildstorm comic book company and people who were in it.
 

Bashful Trey

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Read Year 1 and I'm floored so far. Hadn't really considered the range of politics in the black community and how they'd differ from the more apparent divides. Obviously it would be dynamic but for some reason I had never thought about it for too long.

I don't have a ton to say besides I'm grateful for what this is helping me understand. I'm eager to read other people's takes who can provide even more insight.
 

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I'm in the mood for a contemporary or at least since mid-20th century Japanese novel. Anybody got any suggestions? I know the obvious ones so if anybody has anything that jumps to mind that is good but might be a bit more obscure, I'd appreciate it. Open to whatever kind of subject matter, except maybe Yakuza stuff (bores me).
 

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I'm in the mood for a contemporary or at least since mid-20th century Japanese novel. Anybody got any suggestions? I know the obvious ones so if anybody has anything that jumps to mind that is good but might be a bit more obscure, I'd appreciate it. Open to whatever kind of subject matter, except maybe Yakuza stuff (bores me).

Try out Goth by Otsuichi. It's dark, it can be gruesome, but the writing is really well done and sucks you right in.

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Hyperion by Dan Simmons. Took me a bit to get into it, but love all the short stories within the book. Also listening to the Dune AudioBook which is fantastic!
 

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I read a very generous sample of The Nix and seeing as I was 40 pages in, I've decided to buy it and I'm enjoying it so far.

Feels pacy, but also feels very intelligently written.

On an aside, and more just something that got me thinking earlier... How do you all visualise characters/scenes when reading?

Sometimes I feel like I've got a really vivid picture of a scene - other times I wouldn't really be able to distinctly conjure up an image of a character but more a vague blurred outline.
 

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Started reading the fourth year of We Were Eight Years in Power and I've got to say that there have been some turns of phrases in the introduction that are genuinely gobsmacking; if nothing else thank you for introducing me to Coates Tragicomedy - his thoughts on writing itself are sheer brilliance at times.
 

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I'm reading Wait Until Spring, Bandini by John Fante

I've read Ask the Dust and The Road to Los Angeles and Spring is easily my least favourite Bandini book. It just doesn't have that same stylistic writing that made the other two so amazing to read. Ask the Dust especially still reads like it's a modern novel even though it was written in the 1930s. I like Fante a lot and Spring is still a good book, but it's taking me longer to get through it because I can't shake this weird sense of disappointment
 

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About two thirds of the way through Nelson Mandela's "A Long Walk To Freedom" and should be done by the end of the week.
The book is a freaking brick, but I don't think I've ever read a biography/autobiography that is as engaging and mesmerizing as this one. Mandela lived (as I would hope most people would already know) an incredibly fascinating, inspiring, and truly remarkable life. Yet the book brings to light so many little details about his personal life, political views and tactics, and inner-most thoughts that the history books never really focus on. It also gives an incredibly detailed and in-depth look at the state South Africa was in under Apartheid and just how hard the government fought to keep people oppressed by any means necessary. Plus, it reads like novel, with Mandela narrating his entire life in a genuinely page-turning style.

I can't recommend it enough, first for anyone interested in politics and history, but more over just to anyone at all due to the current climate of politics throughout the world. The past can give some real insight into the future when you look at it through the right lens.
 

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Recently started this humongous piece of writing after having it on the shelf for ages. It's...uh, something. Only about 60-70 pages in, but I have a feeling I'll end up somewhat disappointed when I'm finished with it (in 2031, at the earliest). Simultanously a delight and a slog.
 

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We Were Eight Years in Power: Years 1-3

My thoughts...sorry for the length. I've never been great at editing. This book doesn't really lend itself to spoilers, but I'd skip over this post if you haven't finished years 1-3 of the book.

Intro

The symbolic power of Barack Obama's presidency—that whiteness was no longer strong enough to prevent peons from taking up residence in the castle—assaulted the most deeply rooted notions of white supremacy and instilled fear in its adherents and beneficiaries. And it was that fear that gave the symbols Donald Trump deployed—the symbols of racism—enough potency to make him president, and thus put him in position to injure the world.
- Ta-Nehisi Coates​

Through his writing, Coates forces me confront the horror that white supremacy is as interwoven into the fabric of America as the stars and stripes on our flag. I've always believed in Theodore Parker's assertion (more recently attributed to Martin Luther King, Jr.) that the arc of the moral universe is long but it bends toward justice. Coates repeatedly challenges the belief that we're evolving towards a better version of ourselves, where we recognize the intrinsic value of everyone, regardless of race, ethnicity, or gender. He instead argues that the same nation created on the backbone of slavery still holds the belief in the superiority of whiteness. I may have been absolutely stunned to see a racist, misogynistic, worthless asshole like Donald Trump become tolerated, then accepted, then elected to highest public office in America, but Coates views it as the natural progression of "us versus them."

A theme woven through these first three essays is that white supremacists cannot witness a black person succeed without feeling threatened. Obama could only be elected after the nation fell into a catastrophic economic depression. The same racists who would later compare him and his wife to monkeys could only accept him apprehensively by pointing out that Obama was mixed race. I personally know two people who said, "Obama isn't black, he's half-white" during the Democratic primaries. As if he could only be "so well spoken" and "so polished" because of the white side of his racial heritage.

Once in office, Obama's early successes brought out the worst in those people. White supremacists thrive off their assumptions about black inferiority. Obama's successes challenge their core belief in white power and white leadership. Coates compares this to the "good Negro government" that came about after the Civil War, where freed blacks proved capable of governing as well as their white predecessors. White southerners couldn't tolerate that, as it destabilized their entire theory of racial superiority.

Trump capitalized on this same belief in 2016. He started his political career by questioning Obama's citizenship, and later convinced white voters that Obama was the "other" they feared. As the urban-rural split in America continues, manufacturing jobs head overseas, and services jobs become concentrated in large metropolitan areas, rural white voters have felt left behind. Instead of being honest about their situation and reflecting on what they can do to improve their lives, they'd rather blame the "other" for their predicament. Personal failings aren't the result of lack of education or job opportunities, but of illegal minorities stealing work. The very fabric of Trumpism is to shift blame away from unsuccessful white people onto blacks and Hispanics. Trump never had any intention to "Make American Great Again." He simply wants to blame America's problems on others. As Trump continues to fail at even the basic tasks of governance, these people merely blame those failures on minorities and liberals. Trump, an individual who takes no personal responsibility for his mistakes, is the perfect embodiment of the blame shifting these voters sought.

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First Year

I know now that that hunger is a retreat from the knotty present into myth and that what ultimately awaits those who retreat into fairy tales, who seek refuge in the mad pursuit to be made great again, in the image of a greatness that never was, is tragedy.
- Ta-Nehisi Coates​

Reading this essay with my 2017 perspective of Bill Cosby robs this essay of some of its power, and Coates acknowledges as much. But I do recall that brief period in the late 2000s when Cosby began spreading his "bootstraps" mantra. I've met plenty of these people in my life (particularly in my line of work), firm believers in the American dream and a system of upward mobility available to anyone (everyone!) who puts in work. It's far easier to blame generational poverty on lackadaisical work ethic than to study the root causes. Everyone in America has that story of their grandfather, or great-grandfather who built their life from scratch and bettered the life of their progeny. It doesn't matter that these men were almost universally white and they lived in a time before outsourcing and shareholder dividends and $50 million golden parachutes for failing CEOs. It doesn't matter that these men were very likely uneducated or unskilled. They succeeded and so can we.

Cosby pushed his narrative that black Americans need to stop considering themselves victims to a system and instead pull up their pants (literally), stop listening to all that damn hip hop, and embrace more personal responsibility. All this is particularly (and abhorrently) ironic from a man currently on trial for drugging, raping, and sexually assaulting more than 33 women, but Cosby is far from the only prophet for this story line.

Coates doesn't argue that norms, behaviors, and culture are irrelevant to employment opportunities. Instead, he's concerned why this argument overshadows the more important problem of structural inequality: "in 2001, a researcher sent out black and white job applicants in Milwaukee, randomly assigning them a criminal record. The researcher concluded that a white man with a criminal record had about the same chance of getting a job as a black man without one. Three years later, researchers produced the same results in New York under more rigorous conditions."

Wealthy people often spread a self-creation myth to explain their stature in life, and Cosby is no different. These myths ignore the multitude of doors that were opened for them along the way. Inheritance. Family connections. Social networks. Educational opportunities. It's easier to blame "black cultural opposition" for unemployment and criminal records than it is to study the doors that were never opened for those battling poverty.

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Second Year

If you're looking for the heralds of a "post-racial" America, if that adjective is ever to be more than a stupid, unlettered flourish, then look to those, like Michelle Obama, with a sense of security in who they are—those, black or white, who hold blackness as more than the losing end of racism.
- Ta-Nehisi Coates
I loved this essay. I love Michelle Obama. She's the best first lady our nation has ever known, and we didn't deserve her.

Michelle Obama stated, "For the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country, because it feels like hope is finally making a comeback," with an honesty I don't expect from a public figure. She spoke the truth of her feelings, and white America crucified her for it. I recall the immediate backlash, fueled by hair-on-fire Fox News rants and jingoistic nationalists who have never lifted a finger for America BUT THEY LOVE THIS PLACE, GOD DAMN IT! We've always had the "if you don't love America then leave!" simpletons, but they really crawled out of the woodwork against Michelle Obama. People didn't just question her loyalty and love for America. They questioned her very humanity. People shared (and still share) memes comparing her to a gorilla. It doesn't matter if those fucktards are Russian trolls or white supremacists within our borders, for they've made equal contributions to our nation: nothing.

Coates describes how segregation in the post-1960s shielded many blacks from feeling different, as they were surrounded by others from a similar cultural background. Coates argues that Michelle Obama was somewhat shielded from systemic racism as a child, and was therefore well suited to serve as a lighthouse for liberal ideals that included everyone. At the same time, she also grew up in the world were Rodney King was beaten on live television and his assailants walked free. The harsh realities of racism dimmed Michelle's lighthouse over the years. When America embraced her family's message of hope with Barack's election, she felt a natural surge in pride about the nation and its future. That flew in the face of white nationalism and identity politics, and Michelle was made to be a monster.

We never deserved her. I have my doubts we'll ever see her equal in office.

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Third Year

"Son," my father said of Obama, "you know the country got to be messed up for them folks to give him the job." The economy was on the brink. The blood of untold numbers of Iraqis was on our hands. Katrina had shamed the society. From this other angle, post-racialism and good feeling were taken up not so much out of elevation in consciousness but out of desperation. It all makes so much sense now. The pageantry, the math, the magazines, the essays heralded an end to the old country with all its divisions. We forgot that there were those who loved that old country as it was, who did not lament the divisions but drew power from them.
- Ta-Nehisi Coates​

My favorite essay of the three, and by far the most challenging. A few years ago I traveled to Germany with my wife and son and we visited a concentration camp. The scenes were horrible, unimaginable. I cried multiple times, not because I have a personal connection with the Jewish culture, but because I'm human. I struggled to wrap my mind around the atrocities that happened on that site.

There was a high school class visiting the camp that day as part of their curriculum. Their presence spoke to the fact that Germans have confronted the unspeakable actions of their ancestors with an honesty and open shame that is refreshing in a world of victim-blaming and whataboutisms.

Americans have done the direct opposite with our revisionist understanding of the Civil War, preferring to focus on "great men" who lost their lives in order to defend their personal freedom and states rights. It's a great lie our history books perpetuate and we pass down to our children. An entire generation of southern whites (including some in my extended family) fly the Confederate flag in defiance of the "other." States rights sounds better when spoken than slavery and white supremacy, but the veil is thin.

The heaviest hitting passage to me was the following: "It is not a mistake that Gone with the Wind is one of the most read works of American literature or that The Birth of a Nation is the most revered touchstone of all American film. Both emerge from a need for palliatives and painkillers, an escape from the truth of those five short years in which 750,000 American soldiers were killed, more than all American soldiers killed in all other American wars combined, in a war declared for the cause of expanding 'African slavery.' That war was inaugurated not reluctantly, but lustily, by men who believed property in humans to be the cornerstone of civilization, to be an edict of God, and so delivered their own children to his maw. And when that war was done, the now-defeated God lived on, honored through the human sacrifice of lynching and racist pogroms. The history breaks the myth. And so the history is ignored, and fictions are weaved into our art and politics that dress villainy in martyrdom and transform banditry into chivalry, and so strong are these fictions that their emblem, the stars and bars, darkens front porches and state capitol buildings across the land to this day."

The Civil War was fought to preserve an economic system relying on enslaved human labor, but acknowledging that requires us to admit that our nation was built on the backs of others. The narrative of America as a beacon of freedom and hope is incongruous with our origin, so the origin must be revised. Slavery and the slaves themselves become an afterthought to the stories of brave white heroes fighting on both sides. Americans have all heard the narrative of brother fighting brother, but we conveniently ignore they fought over whether or not slavery would continue in America. History books gloss over the root cause in favor of glorified tales of bravery and tactical brilliance.

I've visited several Civil War sites to include Sumter, Manassas, and Gettysburg. The museums there showcased weaponry and featured maps detailing the advances and retreats that occurred there. Mentions of slavery are few and far between, overshadowed by the tales of expert generals maneuvering men to their deaths.

As recently as this past week, White House chief of staff, John Kelly, perpetuated this lie by blaming the Civil War on both sides being unable to compromise. Kelly keep cementing himself as a spineless ideologue, but his statement is particularly damning for two reasons. First, it treats the enslavement of black people by white Americans as a bargaining chip that could have led to a compromise. Secondly, it ignores the many pathetic compromises the northern states in the union made in the time leading up to the war (Coates mentions the Missouri Compromise, the Fugitive Slave Act, and the Kansas-Nebraska Act). The north did make compromises that resulted in the continued enslavement of black people in the south. I'm not shocked the same man who argued in favor of building a physical wall blocking brown people from entering America would spread the lie that the Civil War was just one big misunderstanding.

I'd love to read an updated take on this essay from Coates in light of white supremacists marching in Charlottesville and vowing to defend the statues of Confederate leaders. Only in America can the side who defended slavery and lost the war build monuments to the losing side. Revisionist history provides the veil that these statues represent a cultural heritage we must protect, instead of the chains of slavery they actually embody.

Excellent writeup for (so far) an excellent collection of notes and essays. I was also struck by the "Third Year" quote you picked out, and what immediately precedes it:

All my life, I had seen myself, and my people, backed into a corner. Had I been wrong? Watching the crowds at county fairs cheer for Michelle Obama, or flipping through the enchanting photo spreads of this glamorous incoming administration, it was easy to believe I had been....Prominent intellectuals were predicting that modern conservatism--a movement steeped in white resentment--was at its end and that a demographic wave of Asians, Latinos, and blacks would sink the Republican Party.

That was one way of thinking about things. Here was another.

It shows brilliantly and concisely how much the left deluded itself about the supposed progress of America as measured by the election of Obama. It would have been so simple, so convenient, for his election to indicate that centuries of white supremacy were going to be overturned imminently. Of course, as we now know, it was not that simple. How much more deflating, but perhaps more realistic, to see things as Coates' father does. The financial crisis upset a lot of established political systems, but only temporarily. Japan, previously a one-party state, elected the opposition. That lasted a couple of years; now the status quo has been reestablished there.

I fear, as Coates seems to, that Obama was a similar interruption of America's status quo. Rather than one-party rule, however, America favors apologism for and ignorance of its treatment of black people. The left's delusion about the electoral wave to come was, in one sense, just another wrinkle in the nation's larger post-Civil War delusion: that black people had been dealt with (read that phrase as you will), and the rest of society was now free to move on.

I look forward to reading the rest of the book soon. As difficult as it is to confront this material, it's been a pleasure reading new work (however interstitial much of it it is here) from one of America's greatest writers.
 
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Excellent writeup for (so far) an excellent collection of notes and essays. I was also struck by the "Third Year" quote you picked out, and what immediately precedes it:

All my life, I had seen myself, and my people, backed into a corner. Had I been wrong? Watching the crowds at county fairs cheer for Michelle Obama, or flipping through the enchanting photo spreads of this glamorous incoming administration, it was easy to believe I had been....Prominent intellectuals were predicting that modern conservatism--a movement steeped in white resentment--was at its end and that a demographic wave of Asians, Latinos, and blacks would sink the Republican Party.

That was one way of thinking about things. Here was another.

It shows brilliantly and concisely how much the left deluded itself about the supposed progress of America as measured by the election of Obama. It would have been so simple, so convenient, for his election to indicate that centuries of white supremacy were going to be overturned imminently. Of course, as we now know, it was not that simple. How much more deflating, but perhaps more realistic, to see things as Coates' father does. The financial crisis upset a lot of established political systems, but only temporarily. Japan, previously a one-party state, elected the opposition. That lasted a couple of years; now the status quo has been reestablished there.

I fear, as Coates seems to, that Obama was a similar interruption of America's status quo. Rather than one-party rule, however, America favors apologism for and ignorance of its treatment of black people. The left's delusion about the electoral wave to come was, in one sense, just another wrinkle in the nation's larger post-Civil War delusion: that black people had been dealt with (read that phrase as you will), and the rest of society was now free to move on.

I look forward to reading the rest of the book soon. As difficult as it is to confront this material, it's been a pleasure reading new work (however interstitial much of it it is here) from one of America's greatest writers.

A couple of questions that have been buzzing round my head as I read through the 4th and 5th year of the book. They aren't based on anything specific and it would be great to hear some thoughts.

Would Black and Liberal Americans have rather had a President who spoke directly about race and perhaps stirred up the response earlier, but had been voted out after one term, or Obama who did not speak about race too much but lasted the two full terms?

Trump only won by a winning the electoral college - does that not give hope that he will be the aberration?
 

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He talked about his fight against HIV (or the fight his doctor wanted him to deliver at a time when life expectancy with HIV was < 3 years).
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I saw a fellow membrer quoting Truby's book, well we are on a similar path.
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Great, so far. Quite comical at times. I have been going through all of Kafka's work and it's a shame much of it is unfinished, but perhaps that makes his writing all the more interesting.

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6 hours in and fascinating. Really damning stuff. I picked up The Great Risk Shift by one of the same authors (Jacob S. Hacker) to read after.
 

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Great write up, Tragicomedy - really impressive. Couple of quick questions:

In the U.K. we hear a lot about this 'American Dream' - our PM has even tried to come up with the 'British Dream' in her latest conference speech. Is it as pervasive as it seems? How can Americans buy into it so much when there are clearly people who have worked hard and not risen to the top?

Do the North and South teach slavery differently? I can understand why the South might not want to admit that it was because of slavery, but are the Northern states not able to teach about it being a root cause, as they won so should not have the same issue.

I always found unthinking patriotism difficult to wrap my head around. I think you are more of a patriot if you accept your country's mistakes and try to learn from them - surely it's fairly reasonable that a black woman such as Michelle might not feel very proud of her country but can still be a patriot. Does America talk about slavery at dinner parties or is it one of those subjects that never comes up? It seems like some White Americans have never heard that a black American could maybe not be proud of the history of their country.

Also - as an aside, I think every school pupil in Germany is required to visit a Concentration Camp (could be wrong on this). Would you want such a system in the U.S. - if it doesn't exist already?

Studies on upward mobility in the USA indicate it's the exception to the rule, but our country is enamored with the American dream. There have always been opportunities in certain markets (you could argue programming at the moment), but they become flooded and remain the exception. People don't want to admit that. There's a reason progressives jokingly refer to poor Republican voters as "down on their luck millionaires," as they're stuck in poverty but voting for policies that help the wealthy. They think they'll climb the ladder someday in the not too distant future.

I'd argue the north and south don't teach slavery properly at all. There's a certain need to avoid discussing the horrors of our past, and if that results in spreading a lie so be it. The topic never comes up in dinner parties. It's our hidden shame, lying below the surface.

For school, I'd mainly want unbiased sources teaching kids why we fought the Civil War. The war sites themselves are largely empty fields, but Americans need to understand who fought and for what. We've championed this states rights debate for too long.

Read Year 1 and I'm floored so far. Hadn't really considered the range of politics in the black community and how they'd differ from the more apparent divides. Obviously it would be dynamic but for some reason I had never thought about it for too long.

I don't have a ton to say besides I'm grateful for what this is helping me understand. I'm eager to read other people's takes who can provide even more insight.

I'm loving this book. The writing is brilliant and accommodating at the same time. It's helped me consider things from a new perspective.

It shows brilliantly and concisely how much the left deluded itself about the supposed progress of America as measured by the election of Obama. It would have been so simple, so convenient, for his election to indicate that centuries of white supremacy were going to be overturned imminently. Of course, as we now know, it was not that simple. How much more deflating, but perhaps more realistic, to see things as Coates' father does. The financial crisis upset a lot of established political systems, but only temporarily. Japan, previously a one-party state, elected the opposition. That lasted a couple of years; now the status quo has been reestablished there.

I fear, as Coates seems to, that Obama was a similar interruption of America's status quo. Rather than one-party rule, however, America favors apologism for and ignorance of its treatment of black people. The left's delusion about the electoral wave to come was, in one sense, just another wrinkle in the nation's larger post-Civil War delusion: that black people had been dealt with (read that phrase as you will), and the rest of society was now free to move on.

I look forward to reading the rest of the book soon. As difficult as it is to confront this material, it's been a pleasure reading new work (however interstitial much of it it is here) from one of America's greatest writers.

I'm more optimistic about the future than Coates, but it's easier to feel that way as a white, heterosexual male in America. This book is showing why someone can feel hopeless, even when looking at things pragmatically.

I look at the election results tonight in Virginia and New Jersey and see progress against the white supremacy and patriarchy represented by Trump. There will be lots of losses and backsliding, but I do see a more progressive future in America, complete with police and judicial reform.

A couple of questions that have been buzzing round my head as I read through the 4th and 5th year of the book. They aren't based on anything specific and it would be great to hear some thoughts.

Would Black and Liberal Americans have rather had a President who spoke directly about race and perhaps stirred up the response earlier, but had been voted out after one term, or Obama who did not speak about race too much but lasted the two full terms?

Trump only won by a winning the electoral college - does that not give hope that he will be the aberration?

I haven't read this chapter yet, but to answer the electoral question: it was designed to prevent uneducated voters from putting the wrong person in office. So far, it has accomplished the direct opposite in the past. We really need a majority vote deciding our elections.
 

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Currently reading the Illuminatus Trilogy. It's got a zaniness similar to Hitchikers but man I keep getting lost. Chapters later returning to characters you were introduced to once and expecting to remember everything about them.
I love Robert Anton Wilson but never could get through Illuminatus for the exact same reason.
 

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G-Nitro Renegades sounds interesting. I loved the Lunar Chronicles too, haven't read Heartless yet, but I like her style.
 

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I'm finally getting around to reading the last book in the Redemption Space trilogy, Redemption Gap. I'm going to miss this dark universe.