Morbius - Official Teaser Trailer

LewieP · Jan 13, 2020

SilverX said:
Sony doesn't give a crap about having Morbius or Venom meet the Avengers or the Eternals or whatever they do next, they want to eventually implement Spider-Man or make MCU Spider-Man films with the inclusion of those characters. They want Tom Holland Spidey, no one else, and by default they would be connected to the MCU.

You are arguing not having rights to show certain MCU things and characters as proof its not part of the MCU, but that is something entirely different.

I'm not sure what your definition of "cinematic universe" is, but for me it means "within the films it exists in the same universe".

If this film is not in the same universe as all the other stuff that exists within the MCU, then in my view it is not in the MCU.

There are minor inconsistencies between MCU films, but for the most part they are extremely consistent. Stuff like the suit totally changing would be a huge continuity snafu for the MCU.

Maybe this film or another film is going to explain where Stark Tower has gone, but I very much doubt it.

I am pretty sure the terms between Marvel and Sony have specifically prevented explicitly making Sony's movies part of the MCU (Feige's language even suggested such), so Sony are just doing as much as they can to imply a connection without breaching the agreement terms.

It could be some kind of parallel universe, offshoot universe or whatever, but it's not the same thing.

Not sure what's so hard to understand about this.

Edit: and yes I am well aware Sony cares little about anything but short term profits. They already poisoned the well twice over, and I doubt going for a hat trick is beyond them.

demondance · Jan 13, 2020

so did Disney get to keep using Spidey in exchange for allowing Sony to do the MCU For Dumb Guys line?

Venom was insanely dumb to the point that I enjoyed myself so maybe this is fine

Arthands · Jan 13, 2020

So I guess Michael Keaton is the price for Sony to accept the new Spider-Man deal.
Even the same exact outfit from Homecoming

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ryutaro's mama · Jan 13, 2020

So the writer of 'Dracula Untold' basically wrote 'Dracula Untold'.

DragonSJG · Jan 13, 2020

And we aren't getting a Scarlet Spider movie because???????

Tavernade · Jan 13, 2020

I imagine either studio can use anyone the other owns if they ask nice and do adequate profit sharing but both would be thrilled not to have to.

Sony needs it more, since Disney can rest on everyone else. My impression has been Sony kinda hopes one of these films hits it off like GOTG did and they can just focus on that and not deal with Spider-Man's difficult ownership as much.

LewieP · Jan 13, 2020

Tavernade said:
I imagine either studio can use anyone the other owns if they ask nice and do adequate profit sharing but both would be thrilled not to have to.

Sony needs it more, since Disney can rest on everyone else. My impression has been Sony kinda hopes one of these films hits it off like GOTG did and they can just focus on that and not deal with Spider-Man's difficult ownership as much.

I suspect as part of their agreement, Marvel will not be using Venom or Morbius etc.

breakdancing duck · Jan 13, 2020

All this talk about Keaton and I'm willing to bet $5 that he's in it for less than 2 minutes, probably at the final sequence where Morbius goes to jail. His inclusion in the trailer is an acknowledgment that there's not much in this movie to get audiences excited.

Deleted member 31817 · Jan 13, 2020

nnavidson said:
All this talk about Keaton and I'm willing to bet $5 that he's in it for less than 2 minutes, probably at the final sequence where Morbius goes to jail. His inclusion in the trailer is an acknowledgment that there's not in this movie to get audiences excited.

Probably a safe bet lol

Tavernade · Jan 13, 2020

LewieP said:
I suspect as part of their agreement, Marvel will not be using Venom or Morbius etc.

I'm sure if they wanted to they could work a deal out with Sony to use them, but I don't imagine they would feel the need to, and if they did use them they'd have to use the Sony versions.

I think this is less a solid wall than the Marvel theme park rights are for Disney. They're already in a working relationship with Sony for Spider himself, if for some reason they really wanted to they could probably work out a similar deal for someone else. I don't think the same is true for theme park rights.

Realistically the only way we see Venom/Morbius/etc in an MCU movie is in a Spider-Man centric one. My argument is just that I don't think it's impossible for more cross-over if the studios for some reason want it.

Bishop89 · Jan 13, 2020

Keaton is so damn good

ClamBuster · Jan 13, 2020

i have a feeling if keaton moves over to the sonyverse, you won't see him again in the mcu...

Bor Gullet · Jan 13, 2020

LewieP said:
I'm not sure what your definition of "cinematic universe" is, but for me it means "within the films it exists in the same universe".

If this film is not in the same universe as all the other stuff that exists within the MCU, then in my view it is not in the MCU.

There are minor inconsistencies between MCU films, but for the most part they are extremely consistent. Stuff like the suit totally changing would be a huge continuity snafu for the MCU.

Maybe this film or another film is going to explain where Stark Tower has gone, but I very much doubt it.

I am pretty sure the terms between Marvel and Sony have specifically prevented explicitly making Sony's movies part of the MCU (Feige's language even suggested such), so Sony are just doing as much as they can to imply a connection without breaching the agreement terms.

It could be some kind of parallel universe, offshoot universe or whatever, but it's not the same thing.

Not sure what's so hard to understand about this.

Edit: and yes I am well aware Sony cares little about anything but short term profits. They already poisoned the well twice over, and I doubt going for a hat trick is beyond them.

^^^^^

Flex1212 · Jan 13, 2020

RCU005 said:
Why is it confusing?
1) Sony can use MCU Spiderman (and characters) in their movies. Haven't confirmed if other MCU characters can appear/be referenced.
2) Marvel Studios (Kevin Feige) hasn't confirmed if MCU will use Sony characters (Venom, Morbius, etc) in their movies

I wasn't aware of the first part. Cool thanks.

Sargerus · Jan 13, 2020

DragonSJG said:
So is that really vulture?

They wouldn't tease him at the very end of the trailer if it wasnt him.

Deleted member 13798 · Jan 13, 2020

ClamBuster said:
i have a feeling if keaton moves over to the sonyverse, you won't see him again in the mcu...

I doubt he has any choice. I'm sure his contract dictates it.

Officer Big Mac · Jan 13, 2020

Looks like Daredevil 2020. That's a nope from me dawg.

mnemonicj · Jan 13, 2020

They had to get that guy leto for this?
Come on, there's plenty out there that could've done a better job.

Bishop89 · Jan 13, 2020

mnemonicj said:
They had to get that guy leto for this?
Come on, there's plenty out there that could've done a better job.

The guy can act.

LewieP · Jan 13, 2020

Bishop89 said:
The guy can act.

Yep, he's been able to convince most of the world he's not a creepy predator.

Deleted member 17388 · Jan 13, 2020

nnavidson said:
All this talk about Keaton and I'm willing to bet $5 that he's in it for less than 2 minutes, probably at the final sequence where Morbius goes to jail. His inclusion in the trailer is an acknowledgment that there's not much in this movie to get audiences excited.

He's surely the postcredits scene or something.

Sony do the "trailer reveals everything in the movie thing" every time.

Aadiboy · Jan 13, 2020

Arthands said:
So I guess Michael Keaton is the price for Sony to accept the new Spider-Man deal.
Even the same exact outfit from Homecoming

Tom Holland is coming too. He will probably be the post-credits tease for Venom 2.

Big Boss · Jan 13, 2020

Looks ok. If it's as fun as venom I'll watch it. Cool that they got Keaton in this tho.

LewieP · Jan 13, 2020

Aadiboy said:
Tom Holland is coming too. He will probably be the post-credits tease for Venom 2.

I kinda thought the end of his last MCU appearance was going to be him welling up with tears and falling into a dimensional portal (maybe bringing MJ and Aunt May or whoever with him), then in the next Sony movie he'll appear through a portal.

Ploid 6.0 · Jan 13, 2020

That looks darn good. Now when is Venom 2?

n00bs7ay3r · Jan 13, 2020

vaderise said:
So it's in the MCU. But also not. This is confusing as fuck.

Honestly not really considering how complicated comics are. Multiverse allows for everything.

Shingi_70 · Jan 13, 2020

LewieP said:
I kinda thought the end of his last MCU appearance was going to be him welling up with tears and falling into a dimensional portal (maybe bringing MJ and Aunt May or whoever with him), then in the next Sony movie he'll appear through a portal.

that was never gonna happen. It's all in the same universe but it's not.

Just like comics

LewieP · Jan 13, 2020

Shingi_70 said:
that was never gonna happen. It's all in the same universe but it's not.

Just like comics

I dunno I could have seen it leading into to Spider-Verse shenanigans.

I don't even want Sony to make any more live action marvel movies, but a Tobey Maguire/Andrew Garfield/Tom Holland team up would be pretty hype.

Officer Big Mac · Jan 13, 2020

LewieP said:
I kinda thought the end of his last MCU appearance was going to be him welling up with tears and falling into a dimensional portal (maybe bringing MJ and Aunt May or whoever with him), then in the next Sony movie he'll appear through a portal.

Carol, I dont feel so good...

King Kingo · Jan 13, 2020

Yasuke said:
Why is this being allowed to happen?

Y'all forget about what happened to Spidey last summer?

Sony had more leverage to renegotiate the Sony/Marvel Studios agreement to their favour with the financial success of Vemon and Into the Spider-verse.

This is the fruition of the new deal.

Deleted member 52190 · Jan 13, 2020

That actualy looks good.

And the Sinister Six is coming

Azzazel · Jan 13, 2020

carlsojo said:
Holy shit that looks fucking great.

Keaton's back! I'm so happy they didn't kill him off at the end of Homecoming.

Nothing, and i mean nothing, is ever gonna stop Sony from making shitty films.

They are like the Yahoo of the movie industry.

carlsojo · Jan 13, 2020

Azzazel said:
Nothing, and i mean nothing, is ever gonna stop Sony from making shitty films.

They are like the Yahoo of the movie industry.

Venom was a lot of fun, this looks like it could be too.

Sorry not everything can live up to the Divine standards of the MCU!

Azzazel · Jan 13, 2020

carlsojo said:
Venom was a lot of fun, this looks like it could be too.

Sorry not everything can live up to the Divine standards of the MCU!

Im pretty sure i was quoting someone else.

Dont know what happened lol.

Chaos Legion · Jan 13, 2020

Azzazel said:
Nothing, and i mean nothing, is ever gonna stop Sony from making shitty films.

They are like the Yahoo of the movie industry.

They have two films nominated for Best Picture and dominated the Golden Globes last week...

Sandstar · Jan 13, 2020

Alpha Baymax said:
Y'all forget about what happened to Spidey last summer?

Sony had more leverage to renegotiate the Sony/Marvel Studios agreement to their favour with the financial success of Vemon and Into the Spider-verse.

This is the fruition of the new deal.

Um, Sony owns everything that's being used in the trailer. What exactly did they negotiate away from Marvel?

LewieP · Jan 13, 2020

Sandstar said:
Um, Sony owns everything that's being used in the trailer. What exactly did they negotiate away from Marvel?

The money that they are getting paid for Spider-Man 3.

Edit: and they don't own any of it. Marvel do. Sony have a license to make films with those Marvel properties.

Sandstar · Jan 13, 2020

LewieP said:
The money that they are getting paid for Spider-Man 3.

The lesser amount of money they're getting, because Disney now gets 25% of the total profits, instead of the 5% of the first day profits? Wow, that's a great deal for Sony. Is Trump their negotiator?

King Kingo · Jan 13, 2020

Sandstar said:
Um, Sony owns everything that's being used in the trailer. What exactly did they negotiate away from Marvel?

I never denied what Sony owned, I just said that the revised licensing of Spider-Man gave Sony more leverage to sample the MCU more directly with the new agreement as oppose to just relegating that partnership solely to Marvel Studios developed Spider-Man movies.

Sandstar · Jan 13, 2020

Alpha Baymax said:
I never denied what Sony owned, I just said that the revised licensing of Spider-Man gave Sony more leverage to sample the MCU more directly with the new agreement as oppose to relegating that partnership to Marvel Studios developed Spider-Man movies.

What part of the MCU that Sony doesn't own outright (which they could always use, contract with Disney or not) appears in the trailer?

LewieP · Jan 13, 2020

Sandstar said:
The lesser amount of money they're getting, because Disney now gets 25% of the total profits, instead of the 5% of the first day profits? Wow, that's a great deal for Sony. Is Trump their negotiator?

My guess is it's less money but more leeway to pretend their films are in the MCU. And probably a bunch of other stuff too.

Sandstar · Jan 13, 2020

LewieP said:
My guess is it's less money but more leeway to pretend their films are in the MCU. And probably a bunch of other stuff too.

Again, what part of the MCU, that Sony doesn't already own outright, appears in that trailer?

WhySoDevious · Jan 13, 2020

I actually liked the trailer.

And they're thinking ahead for after the third Marvel Spidey movie.

LewieP · Jan 13, 2020

Sandstar said:
Again, what part of the MCU, that Sony doesn't already own outright, appears in that trailer?

I don't know what you think they own. They don't own any of it. They have a license to produce films based on Marvel ip.

I don't know any of the details of the contracts between Sony and Marvel beyond what has been released publicly.

I do know that these contracts exist though. It's why Spider-Man characters appeared in films like Civil War, Infinity War and End Game.

Edit: and there were no posters of Spider-Man in Venom, nor did they use the Tom Holland cameo that was shot but not included due to Feige not approving it (despite them having a license to use Spider-Man). These are the types of restrictions that I imagine were renegotiated.

King Kingo · Jan 13, 2020

Sandstar said:
What part of the MCU that Sony doesn't own outright (which they could always use, contract with Disney or not) appears in the trailer?

Michael Keaton's Vulture. That's an iteration of Vulture that originated from Marvel Studios.

Prior to the revised agreement, if Sony wanted to have Vulture for their Sony Marvel Universe, they would have had to recast and re-create their own version.

Sandstar · Jan 13, 2020

LewieP said:
I don't know what you think they own. They don't own any of it. They have a license to produce films based on Marvel ip.

I don't know any of the details of the contracts between Sony and Marvel beyond what has been released publicly.

I do know that these contracts exist though. It's why Spider-Man characters appeared in films like Civil War, Infinity War and End Game.

You know what I meant, and you're dodging the question because you don't have an answer. but, if you like:

What about the MCU, that Sony doesn't already have the rights to use as a result of them buying the rights to all spiderman properties in the 90's, is in the morbius trailer?

Alpha Baymax said:
Michael Keaton's Vulture. That's an iteration of Vulture that originated from Marvel Studios.

Prior to the revised agreement, if Sony wanted to have Vulture for their Sony Marvel Universe, they would have had to recast and re-create their own version.

Sony owns the rights to a character created for them, using their money, in a movie released by them, using the rights to a comics character they own. Sorry, try again.

Stinkles · Jan 13, 2020

You know in a weird way, Morbius comes off a little bit like a vampire.

Heroicpiglet · Jan 13, 2020

Adamska said:
Hardy v Holland movie.

I'm strangely aroused

SolidChamp · Jan 13, 2020

LOL @ people shitting on the film already but then applauding the "MCU CONNECTIONZ" at the end.

LewieP · Jan 13, 2020

Sandstar said:
You know what I meant, and you're dodging the question because you don't have an answer. but, if you like:

What about the MCU, that Sony doesn't already have the rights to use as a result of them buying the rights to all spiderman properties in the 90's, is in the morbius trailer?

Did you see my edit?

I'm not particularly sure why you seem to think that these agreements that have been highly publicised don't exist. Yes Sony could do whatever they want with the Spider-Man film ip, but they decided to partner with Marvel, and of course there has been a degree of give and take from both sides as part of those negotiations. Sony would have put Tom Holland as Spider-Man in Venom if they had not agreed to any terms restricting what they do with the ip otherwise.

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