Motherboard: RDR2 Players Are Excited to Attack and Kill Feminists in the Game [update: re-instated]

Dec 28, 2017
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Since the events of the game take place in 1899, 20 years before women in the United States got the right to vote, it features suffragettes, women activists who fought for the right to vote in public elections. Given that Red Dead Redemption 2 is the biggest video game of the year and that much of video game culture is ensconced in blatant misogyny, it's not surprising but still upsetting that some players are delighted that the game lets them beat, abuse, and kill these characters.
One of the main reasons Red Dead Redemption 2 is such an interesting game is that it allows the player to approach and resolve situations in a variety of ways. Players can shoot, rob, talk to, and beat up almost any character they see, which at times leads to surprising outcomes. It's this same design that allowed a YouTuber going by the handle Shirrako to upload a video of himself walking up to that suffragette and punching her unconscious. The video, titled "Red Dead Redemption 2 - Beating Up Annoying Feminist," was uploaded on October 28 and currently has 1.2 million views.
The comments on these videos, as you might expect, are horrible. Some users think it's hilarious, others say that this is what every feminist deserves, while others complain about how alimony laws favor women and echo other "men's rights" talking points.
I don't think video games alone can be blamed for real-world violence, but they are a part of our cultural infrastructure that allows someone to roleplay as an anti-feminist murderer (a very real, ongoing problem in the real world), upload a video of it to YouTube for profit, and allow others to use that video as a jumping off point to discuss how much they hate women in the real world.

Full Article: https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/...ited-to-attack-and-kill-feminists-in-the-game

Christ. The youtuber in question (Shirrako) had his channel terminated earlier for breaking the TOS.

For context, Shirrako had around 500k subs. Here's how he decided to respond once his channel was terminated.

EDIT: The channel is back now
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7eAfUjR9gdIjoaoQaS0W-A















 
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SG-17

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Oct 25, 2017
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#7
This is an odd article. It's just the result of opened ended gameplay.

In the game you get negative karma for killing Suffragettes while you get positive karma for killing Klan members, eugenicists, and former slave owners.
 
Oct 30, 2017
648
Texas
#10
rightwing shitheads excited about doing bad things, journalist outfit stunned!

edit: also thanks motherboard for signal boosting this creep
 
OP
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Dec 28, 2017
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#12
This is an odd article. It's just the result of opened ended gameplay.

In the game you get negative karma for killing Suffragettes while you get positive karma for killing Klan members, eugenicists, and former slave owners.
The article preciscely mentions that RDR2's open ended gameplay allows for this. What's fucked up is uploading this vile shit to YT for $$$.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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#15
Why did this nutcase @ Jim? For sympathy? To act as his attack dog?

Please say it was so I probably couldn't laugh any harder.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Munich
#16
Predictable, but still sad.
And the even more predictable excuse: "But the game also lets us kill KKK members."
And these people don't even realize that they equate people who fought for their right to vote to people who fought for their right to enslave and kill black people, as if those were even remotely comparable.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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#17
This is an odd article. It's just the result of opened ended gameplay.

In the game you get negative karma for killing Suffragettes while you get positive karma for killing Klan members, eugenicists, and former slave owners.
Hell, one of the gangs are a band of ex-Confederates who you can murder with impunity, which is not something that could be said about the suffragette.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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UK
#21
The guy, and anyone else, doing this and uploading it because they think it's funny, are idiots, but it's the result of making an open ended game
 

SG-17

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Oct 25, 2017
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#23
The article preciscely mentions that RDR2's open ended gameplay allows for this. What's fucked up is uploading this vile shit to YT for $$$.
Which it appears that YouTube is banning for, so everything seems to be working as intended.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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#24
Christ. Here's how the Youtuber decided to respond once his channel was terminated.



Funny how when he posted that video he called it "killing annoying feminist" then in the comment said he didn't mean it that way.

Glad YouTube did what they should do for once.
 
Oct 25, 2017
2,087
#25
That guy posts a lot of Fromsoft related stuff, mainly soundtracks. Did not know he was a tool bag but then again who isn't these days when it comes to games.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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#27
Of course. Imagine being so insecure about your identity that you need to go out of your way to torture feminist AIs inside of a game.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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#29
I think I unsubbed that guy immediately after he started posting those videos in succession.

Looks like that wasn’t a bad call.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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#32
Seems like more of an indictment of these kinds of people than the game itself.

Granted, I have plenty of problems with Rockstar giving the players the option to murder innocent women/minorities/etc., because it constantly leads to stuff like this.
 

Heckler456

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Oct 25, 2017
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#33
Predictable, but still sad.
And the even more predictable excuse: "But the game also lets us kill KKK members."
And these people don't even realize that they equate people who fought for their right to vote to people who fought for their right to enslave and kill black people, as if those were even remotely comparable.
What? People aren't comparing suffragettes to klanmembers. They're saying that the message the game is trying to send is clearly not anti-feminist, and that it actually veers the other way in many other respects.

Also, the game also has a mission where you help out a bunch of suffragettes.
 
Oct 29, 2017
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#35
Predictable, but still sad.
And the even more predictable excuse: "But the game also lets us kill KKK members."
And these people don't even realize that they equate people who fought for their right to vote to people who fought for their right to enslave and kill black people, as if those were even remotely comparable.

Thats not the point at all. The point they are making is that the game gives you a world to interact with however you see fit.
 
Nov 9, 2017
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Italy
#40
Grumpy old conservative men who thinks that videogames are bad for the kids will be replaced in a political point of view by a lot of young gamers who have no fucking clue on how to live in a society or how to respect human beings.

About the game itself permitting something like that, I don’t think such content should be allowed. The game doesn’t give you complete freedom, there are a lot of characters that you can’t hit and some situations where you can’t shoot or punch anyone. But I’m listening to various opinions, ‘cause it’s really an interesting topic to discuss in terms of narrative and entertainment.
 
Oct 31, 2017
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#41
I like how he goes from @'ing the Youtube team and Jim Sterling to @'ing Boogie and Keemstar. Talk about desperation lol
 

SG-17

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Oct 25, 2017
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#44
Seems like more of an indictment of these kinds of people than the game itself.
It should be. The game punishes you by giving you negative karma and getting the law on your ass for assaulting and killing Suffragettes while the law will actually ignore you if you put a bullet in the head of the Eugenicist in Saint Dennis. And a cop is literally right nearby.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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#48
Not a surprise at all. People on gamefaqs were celebrating the fact they killed a feminist, also wanted the game to give them the chance to kill Native American people. On Twitch chat during a mission involving Mexicans i read someone write:"Killing Mexicans should be a privilege". The message was moderated few seconds later while most other in chat were making jokes about "The Wall". Yeah, too many gamers are the worst.
 

BronsonLee

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Oct 24, 2017
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#49
Wow weird how when you make a bunch of Youtube videos about shooting and killing a feminist NPC because they're a feminist, you get tossed