Motherboard: RDR2 Players Are Excited to Attack and Kill Feminists in the Game [update: re-instated]

Deleted member 4353 · Nov 7, 2018

I feel like when it comes to topics like these, there are some people who just purposely post stuff even though they know why peeps might have some problems with the content. There's no way they dont know why the title of the videos are shitty.

excelsiorlef · Nov 7, 2018

jawzpause said:
Don't hate the player hate the game as they say.

I don't think Rockstar have done anything wrong here though.

Players do all kinds of fucked up shit in games, but it's a fucking game. No one is getting hurt, if they want to feed a feminist to a alligator fine.

Just like in gta5 how you can beat up random women in the street, it's a game. Let's not punish people for playing a game

No in this case it is very much hate the player and maybe not the game....well and YouTube, definitely hate youtube

Inuhanyou · Nov 7, 2018

jawzpause said:
Don't hate the player hate the game as they say.

I don't think Rockstar have done anything wrong here though.

Players do all kinds of fucked up shit in games, but it's a fucking game. No one is getting hurt, if they want to feed a feminist to a alligator fine.

Just like in gta5 how you can beat up random women in the street, it's a game. Let's not punish people for playing a game

"Beating up female NPC" in a game has never blown up like this. And it would not have blown up in RDR2 had he not labeled his videos feminist, thereby putting a target on pretty much any feminist in the vicinity. It is clearly a political agenda to get people to pile onto feminists. Stop acting like you dont know what context is when posting that nonsense.

Feminists and Nazis are not the same. Generic male and female NPC's completely different from what we are talking about here.

excelsiorlef · Nov 7, 2018

OVOCanadaBooth said:
lmao! wow

Do you deny it's misogyny?

aevanhoe · Nov 7, 2018

HyperFerret said:
I legitimately can't tell if this is satire.

?

I'm talking about a person who believes feminists should be hit, fed to pigs, etc. He's a worm.

Because of him, someone proclaimed "gamers are a mistake". He's not "gamers" - he's one sad guy.

Disagree?

Budi · Nov 7, 2018

HyperFerret said:
I legitimately can't tell if this is satire.

No why would it be. No need to jump on him, he isn't condoning the videos.

jawzpause said:
Don't hate the player hate the game as they say.

I don't think Rockstar have done anything wrong here though.

Players do all kinds of fucked up shit in games, but it's a fucking game. No one is getting hurt, if they want to feed a feminist to a alligator fine.

Just like in gta5 how you can beat up random women in the street, it's a game. Let's not punish people for playing a game

Yeah Rockstar hasn't. But the guy who did the videos doesn't look quite that good in this scenario. I would say, hate the player.

HyperFerret · Nov 7, 2018

jawzpause said:
Players do all kinds of fucked up shit in games, but it's a fucking game. No one is getting hurt, if they want to feed a feminist to a alligator fine.

Sure, but posting it online with a whole video series dedicated to a specific target is where it gets a bit uncomfortable and messed up. He was making money on a virtual hate crime.

HardTimesFamilyPride · Nov 7, 2018

excelsiorlef said:
That's not what i said, but there is value in documenting things so companies can't just on the down-lo restore misogynist's accounts without getting noticed.

His video is back up because YouTube like Twitter is a libertarian Technocratic hellspace.

Again writing about someone is not giving them a platform. He turned himself into a folk hero.... Thanks to twitter and the platform that gave him to reech how to fellow shit heel gamer heroes who rose up to defend his honour because they hate women too.... which is exactly my point, we don't stop writing articles about shit heels being shit heels because we're scared of giving the alt-right ammo, that's horseshit.

I reiterate every time it's oh don't do that that just gives the alt-right ammo.... It's a fucking article talking about sexism in gaming.... That shit is always gonna give "ammo", we don;t win but not writing.

Yeah these people already have platforms with audiences who will work themselves into a frenzy regardless of whatever articles might come out. It's a damned machine at this point.

psychowave · Nov 7, 2018

i really want to know what makes a man want to feed a feminist to an alligator in a video game

i'm being facetious i already know it's because of misogyny and wanting to freely live out their fantasies of violence against women without repercussion

Crossing Eden · Nov 7, 2018

OVOCanadaBooth said:
We're talking about video games though.

We literally got articles this week about how right wingers recruit gamers. At one point do you pull your head out of the sand?

excelsiorlef · Nov 7, 2018

aevanhoe said:
?

I'm talking about a person who believes feminists should be hit, fed to pigs, etc. He's a worm.

Because of him, someone proclaimed "gamers are a mistake". He's not "gamers" - he's one sad guy.

Disagree?

Gamers rallied to get his account back bro.

1.21Gigawatts · Nov 7, 2018

jawzpause said:
Don't hate the player hate the game as they say.

I don't think Rockstar have done anything wrong here though.

Players do all kinds of fucked up shit in games, but it's a fucking game. No one is getting hurt, if they want to feed a feminist to a alligator fine.

Just like in gta5 how you can beat up random women in the street, it's a game. Let's not punish people for playing a game

Nobody indicated that Rockstar did anything wrong.
They guy who used their game to create anti-feminist torture porn and uploaded it to Youtube did.

Kilic95 · Nov 7, 2018

aevanhoe said:
?

I'm talking about a person who believes feminists should be hit, fed to pigs, etc. He's a worm.

Because of him, someone proclaimed "gamers are a mistake". He's not "gamers" - he's one sad guy.

Disagree?

YES, because he literally just got bailed out by other gamers!

potatohead · Nov 7, 2018

Nintenleo said:
Grumpy old conservative men who thinks that videogames are bad for the kids will be replaced in a political point of view by a lot of young gamers who have no fucking clue on how to live in a society or how to respect human beings.

About the game itself permitting something like that, I don't think such content should be allowed. The game doesn't give you complete freedom, there are a lot of characters that you can't hit and some situations where you can't shoot or punch anyone. But I'm listening to various opinions, 'cause it's really an interesting topic to discuss in terms of narrative and entertainment.

First paragraph truer words never spoken and really sad

sph3re · Nov 7, 2018

Question: were the characters in question even "feminists"? Or did he just call them feminists because they were women? Pretty telling about his moral character if he just labels all women "feminists."

Deepwater · Nov 7, 2018

there's no reason on why you would be interested in content around violence against feminists ('read: women) unless you were predisposed to committing violence against women

sph3re said:
Question: were the characters in question even "feminists"? Or did he just call them feminists because they were women? Pretty telling about his moral character if he just labels all women "feminists."

the characters in the game are suffragettes

HardTimesFamilyPride · Nov 7, 2018

sph3re said:
Question: were the characters in question even "feminists"? Or did he just call them feminists because they were women? Pretty telling about his moral character if he just labels all women "feminists."

They were suffragettes, women fighting for their right to vote

excelsiorlef · Nov 7, 2018

sph3re said:
Question: were the characters in question even "feminists"? Or did he just call them feminists because they were women? Pretty telling about his moral character if he just labels all women "feminists."

Literally was a a suffragette, a woman protesting for the right to vote

Opto · Nov 7, 2018

Gamers were a mistake.

HyperFerret · Nov 7, 2018

aevanhoe said:
?

I'm talking about a person who believes feminists should be hit, fed to pigs, etc. He's a worm.

Because of him, someone proclaimed "gamers are a mistake". He's not "gamers" - he's one sad guy.

Disagree?

*shrug*

Dunno know how it could offend you unless being a gamer is tied to your identity as closely as your skin color or race. "Gamers were a mistake" is a meme.

aevanhoe · Nov 7, 2018

Budi said:
No why would it be. No need to jump on him, he isn't condoning the videos.

Not sure what we're talking here. A guy makes a video where he punches a woman character because she's fighting for the right to vote. He thinks it's cool. And I think he's slime.

Did I miss something?

I don't mind that you can punch anyone in the game, because that's the sandbox design. But if you make a "ha ha look at me punching feminists" video and post it - you're slime. Again, are we talking about the same thing here?

Trup1aya · Nov 7, 2018

excelsiorlef said:
That's not what i said, but there is value in documenting things so companies can't just on the down-lo restore misogynist's accounts without getting noticed.

His video is back up because YouTube like Twitter is a libertarian Technocratic hellspace.

Again writing about someone is not giving them a platform. He turned himself into a folk hero.... Thanks to twitter and the platform that gave him to reech how to fellow shit heel gamer heroes who rose up to defend his honour because they hate women too.... which is exactly my point, we don't stop writing articles about shit heels being shit heels because we're scared of giving the alt-right ammo, that's horseshit.

I reiterate every time it's oh don't do that that just gives the alt-right ammo.... It's a fucking article talking about sexism in gaming.... That shit is always gonna give "ammo", we don;t win but not writing.

So we are going to pretend that only Twitter contributed to it. The article did NOTHING to extend his reach...

Ok

Crossing Eden · Nov 7, 2018

Trup1aya said:
So we are going to pretend that only Twitter contributed to it. The article did NOTHING to extend his reach...

Ok

You realize that the video has more than a million views right?

disparate · Nov 7, 2018

lol Keemstar

Dipshit really scraping the bottom of the barrel here

Budi · Nov 7, 2018

aevanhoe said:
Not sure what we're talking here. A guy makes a video where he punches a woman character because she's fighting for the right to vote. He thinks it's cool. And I think he's slime.

Did I miss something?

I don't mind that you can punch anyone in the game, because that's the sandbox design. But if you make a "ha ha look at me punching feminists" video and post it - you're slime. Again, are we talking about the same thing here?

I think you got it right and I agree.

Inuhanyou · Nov 7, 2018

The video had over a million views days before the article came out.

sph3re said:
Question: were the characters in question even "feminists"? Or did he just call them feminists because they were women? Pretty telling about his moral character if he just labels all women "feminists."

The woman who he was messing with was a person yelling about the right to vote...cause ya know...women in that age were not granted the right to vote, had zero rights and may have the same thing happen in real life as the player did to her in the game if they were uppity enough.

But no one is complaining about him attacking the woman. The complaint is making, not one, not two, but 6 videos in which he clearly had "annoying feminist" killed in pretty much every way imaginable. Cause like, someone screaming in the street about the right to vote is the same as the KKK, so its ok

Plywood · Nov 7, 2018

softfocus said:
People saying it's just a NPC, good lord. Fair enough getting outraged that YouTube banned videos of random NPCs getting killed or whatever in silly ways but these videos are titled purposely to bring the worst out of people.
This guy didn't just post one "feminist killed in RDR2" video he posted a lot like he was obsessed.

This, the title of the videos are framed to get reactions out of people. The guy knows exactly what he's doing nevermind the sociopathic tendencies involved with putting out something like this.

excelsiorlef · Nov 7, 2018

Trup1aya said:
So we are going to pretend that only Twitter contributed to it. The article did NOTHING to extend his reach...

Ok

Yes?

He tweeted to keemstar, this article had nothing to do with that?

YouTube apparently had already planned on reinstating him, this had nothing to do with that,

What you're essentially arguing is never write about misogynists because other misogynists will support him..

How do we have the conversation without talking about specific incidents.

Again writing about a shit heel being a shit heel is not giving him a platform.

OVOCanadaBooth · Nov 7, 2018

Yerba_Sutra said:
The problem I have with what you're saying is that we don't know what happened. Since we don't know what happened, it's foolish to try and select one possibility of many and continuously frame the discussion in a way that implies it's what happened. You even started by saying you think it's one thing, but your follow-up responses keep leaning on a different presumption. My question is why?

Im saying it could've been a person.
If someone saw the videos & said fuck this channel, then manually terminated the account, that's not right.
Im not saying that's what happened for sure, but IF that's what happened, it's wrong.

However, it could've been algorithm, which I understand. Regardless, this entire conversation was STILL worth having.

We all learned a lot today :)

aevanhoe · Nov 7, 2018

Kilic95 said:
YES, because he literally just got bailed out by other gamers!

By all the gamers in the world?

You do know that a person who plays games - is a gamer? There are many great people among gamers - people who believe in equality of genders, human rights, etc. Most of this forum is made out of gamers. I really don't get your logic here.

sph3re · Nov 7, 2018

Deepwater said:
the characters in the game are suffragettes

Yerba_Sutra said:
They were suffragettes, women fighting for their right to vote

excelsiorlef said:
Literally was a a suffragette, a woman protesting for the right to vote

Bloody hell. Kind of wish I didn't ask. Dude's got a screw loose.

jawzpause · Nov 7, 2018

1.21Gigawatts said:
Nobody indicated that Rockstar did anything wrong.
They guy who used their game to create anti-feminist torture porn and uploaded it to Youtube did.

https://www.theguardian.com/games/2...2-game-criticised-over-killing-of-suffragette
I just read this article before posting and people are indeed criticising rockstar for allowing the feminist to be attacked

disparate · Nov 7, 2018

Gamers rise up

RockGun90 · Nov 7, 2018

Just in case anyone was confused on if the people who campaigned for Shirrako to be reinstated are misogynistic or "believers of free speech".

excelsiorlef · Nov 7, 2018

OVOCanadaBooth said:
If someone saw the videos & said fuck this channel, then manually terminated the account, that's not right.

Because terminating misogyny is bad?

Inuhanyou · Nov 7, 2018

jawzpause said:
https://www.theguardian.com/games/2...2-game-criticised-over-killing-of-suffragette
I just read this article before posting and people are indeed criticising rockstar for allowing the feminist to be attacked

there are a minority of people saying that. most people are complaining about the individual youtuber making his agenda known. And even then you have people defending it cause, i guess they secretly have the same views as him

RockGun90 said:
Just in case anyone was confused on if the people who campaigned for Shirrako to be reinstated are misogynistic or "believers of free speech".

Yep....that's about right i suppose. Hate will rally around hate

Alucrid · Nov 7, 2018

OVOCanadaBooth said:
Im saying it could've been a person.
If someone saw the videos & said fuck this channel, then manually terminated the account, that's not right.
Im not saying that's what happened for sure, but IF that's what happened, it's wrong.

However, it could've been algorithm, which I understand. Regardless, this entire conversation was STILL worth having.

We all learned a lot today :)

what if larry page sits in his office all day and plays russian roulette with youtube accounts? "boy this ooocandabooth seems like a misogynist", says larry page, "i should delete his account". that shit would be crazy.

Trice · Nov 7, 2018

Whatever you do in video games is fair game imo, but posting it publicly and labeling it as he did with a clear agenda is a bit much.

Kilic95 · Nov 7, 2018

aevanhoe said:
By all the gamers in the world?

There certainly is no shortage of them ready to defend bigots.

Tensuke · Nov 7, 2018

Deepwater said:
there's no reason on why you would be interested in content around violence against feminists ('read: women) unless you were predisposed to committing violence against women

This is literally not how video games work.

HyperFerret · Nov 7, 2018

aevanhoe said:
By all the gamers in the world?

You do know that a person who plays games - is a gamer? There are many great people among gamers - people who believe in equality of genders, human rights, etc. Most of this forum is made out of gamers. I really don't get your logic here.

Bruh are you really trying to #NotAllGamers.

excelsiorlef · Nov 7, 2018

jawzpause said:
https://www.theguardian.com/games/2...2-game-criticised-over-killing-of-suffragette
I just read this article before posting and people are indeed criticising rockstar for allowing the feminist to be attacked

This article is entirely focused on the gamers who get off on being sexist asshats

Other than an opening paragraph that is never substantiated

HardTimesFamilyPride · Nov 7, 2018

OVOCanadaBooth said:
Im saying it could've been a person.
If someone saw the videos & said fuck this channel, then manually terminated the account, that's not right.
Im not saying that's what happened for sure, but IF that's what happened, it's wrong.

However, it could've been algorithm, which I understand. Regardless, this entire conversation was STILL worth having

Well I firstly disagree that it's wrong. I secondly still feel like you haven't answered my question. If you're aware that there are multiple possibilities, why do you latch onto just the one?

aevanhoe said:
By all the gamers in the world?

You do know that a person who plays games - is a gamer? There are many great people among gamers - people who believe in equality of genders, human rights, etc. Most of this forum is made out of gamers. I really don't get your logic here.

Gaming subculture has had a long history of sexism, among other forms of bigotry and general toxicity. I don't see an issue with people venting about recurring examples of it.

OVOCanadaBooth · Nov 7, 2018

Alucrid said:
what if larry page sits in his office all day and plays russian roulette with youtube accounts? "boy this ooocandabooth seems like a misogynist", says larry page, "i should delete his account". that shit would be crazy.

Are you trying to be funny?... Because I'm not amused.

excelsiorlef · Nov 7, 2018

OVOCanadaBooth said:
Are you trying to be funny?... Because I'm not amused.

Neither are we yet here you are.

Inuhanyou · Nov 7, 2018

Trice said:
Whatever you do in video games is fair game imo, but posting it publicly and labeling it as he did with a clear agenda is a bit much.

That's putting it much too lightly. Its fucking scummy. And i wish the free speech warriors campaigning to get this guy back on youtube were anywhere near as 'principled' when it came to naughty dog putting two women on screen together kissing. "Its a clear SJW agenda by the developers forcing the gays in my face!" All "freedom of developer expression" goes straight out the window

Icemonk191 · Nov 7, 2018

jrush64 said:
I feel like when it comes to topics like these, there are some people who just purposely post stuff even though they know why peeps might have some problems with the contest. There's no way they dont know why the title of the videos are shitty.

Oh they know, they're just smart enough to know that posting what they really feel ("Good that dumb bitch deserved it! Fuck Feminism!") Would get them banned so come in here acting dumb, purposely missing key information and generally "Just asking questions". The fact that it's so obvious just makes them look even worse.

Alucrid · Nov 7, 2018

OVOCanadaBooth said:
Are you trying to be funny?... Because I'm not amused.

i learned a lot today :)

1.21Gigawatts · Nov 7, 2018

jawzpause said:
https://www.theguardian.com/games/2...2-game-criticised-over-killing-of-suffragette
I just read this article before posting and people are indeed criticising rockstar for allowing the feminist to be attacked

The article just says that "The makers of the most anticipated video game of the year, Red Dead Redemption 2, have been criticised", but where did that actually happen? The Motherboard article also doesn't explicitly criticize Rockstar, instead it explains that "One of the main reasons Red Dead Redemption 2 is such an interesting game is that it allows the player to approach and resolve situations in a variety of ways. Players can shoot, rob, talk to, and beat up almost any character they see, which at times leads to surprising outcomes."

I'd rather file that under poor reporting on the part of the Guardian. Its more of a phrase to start the article of than a statement of fact.
I mean, I am sure they could back it up with a few comments from random on the internet, but thats not really what it should be about.

Andrew Lucas · Nov 7, 2018

"Epic gamer time."

I can't. These are the people "It's okay to be an asshole".

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