Discussion in 'Video Games' started by vestan, Nov 7, 2018.
Apparently a guy can post a dozen videos where he murders a feminist, edits it and plays up the title and thumbnail of his video to appeal to the worst of the gamergate crowd and it's fine because it's not real misogyny and doesn't promote violence and YouTube shouldn't have actioned his account.
But we can't say 'fuck gamers' because words hurt and it's not kind to generalize.
In these games you can kill who you want. You have been able to since the first gta.
The end game of the people who are getting worked up about this shit is to limit your choices in these games, limit what you can show to others and for rockstar to sanitise the humour in their games so that certain groups aren't targetted
Don't worry I got you:
Saying this as a psychologist (and non native english speaker, sorry):
If you think it is funny: killing a minority; Making Jokes Based on Stereotypes; and joke about their fight for basic human rights
you have a problem
Is this some zeitgeist thing now? Judging entire groups of people? Like, what - because there are slimy rats among gamers we need to vent against every person enjoying games?
Just make a video of killing all white people in RDR that the same guy will be there down voting the video and being offended.
ITT: Concern trolling by floating conspiracy theories to defend corporate practices that are in dire need of updating and using it as a marker for "fairness".
Bravo, just bravo. This is the same line of thought process that devalues dignity in favour of maximizing revenue potential and fervently defends status quo as "norm" or "culture" or "market".
These "gamers" by their very actions are "conservatives" and by that virtue are mega trash.
long-standing norms within its subculture.
If you don't like it, help make gaming a less shitty subculture for people who want to be part of it.
Humans as a whole are fucking shitty too
I am a human, and I've been gaming since at least 1991. None of this makes me offended when someone says this shit. Why does it bother you so much?
gamers get criticized. Of course there's plenty of good people in gaming and we want to make gaming welcoming to even more people, we want to gaming to grow. That said, there's plenty of problems too as evident by the subject of this thread. When people are venting and frustrated, they don't always remember/bother to add "some" or "many" in front of the word "gamers". So don't overthink it. You know who you are and you know people aren't attacking you.
This is why I wished people just moved on from your first post. We agree about the thing in the OP, it's stupid and it's disgusting. Yet here we are arguing among ourselves.
I mean.... wtf? Gaming culture is - like - huge. It’s art, and stories, and code, and conventions, and cosplay, and friendships.... I am not blind, there’s a ton of garbage out there, but that garbage is everywhere. It’s on the streets, it’s in politics, it’s in holywood, it’s in sports.... racism, sexism, nationalism - it’s everywhere. So, we’re going to let them have gaming, now?
But ok, let’s drop it. I’m sure we agree sexism is something really bad. I just don’t equal that to gaming.
I should have known Youtube would reverse the ban. Fuck them.
The gaming industry has belonged to "them" since at least the point where "they" decided to market the NES to boys.
This culture is at a point where it's finally growing beyond this framing. We are in the process of taking it from "them".
It's not the other way around
You just cannot argue that liking to do something in a game means you like (or want) to do it in real life. There HAS to be a distinction between fantasy and reality.
people are only toxic in video games and that has no consequences..
They've had gaming for a while gamergate was tolerated, catered to and continues to be so.
this channel would probably be a better bet.
Whats funny is that he's not even a content creator. He just rips lets plays and soundtracks wholesale.
I watched it. I think mysogyny is just as dangerous and sickening as i did before I saw it. The only thing that changed... He got a click from me.
Ugh, the tweets and support that dude is getting are seriously disgusting...
So many people offended bc "muh free speech !!" and completely ignoring the point of the initial problem.
I don't even understand the thought process behind "killing a femnist is fun !" Mysoginy at it's finest I guess.
Wow, Shirrako gameplays were big to me in the beginning of PS4 lifecycle.
Another "personality" showing their true color. Bye asshole.
I said: "there's no reason on why you would be interested in content around violence against feminists ('read: women) unless you were predisposed to committing violence against women"
Just like nobody would be interested in playing Red Dead Redemption unless they wanted to emulate being an outlaw cowboy. Because you are dense to context, please understand that a reasonable person would not presume sociopathic tendencies from wanting to play as an 19th century outlaw.
And per your example, you would in fact be pretty fucked up in the head if you spend all day in any of the GTA's killing exclusively prostitutes for no damn reason. Just as if you went around killing exclusively black pedestrians for no damn reason. That's not fucking normal.
If you're on youtube and you are interested in gratifying yourself with content around exclusively harming feminists or women or black people or jewish people or gay people, you're fucked up in the head. You probably have sociopathic tendencies. And you're probably predisposed to violence tendencies against whatever group that you are subjecting yourself for viewing pleasure.
Nobody gives a damn if you shoot the woman in the game during that mission, nobody cares that Rockstar gives you the option to do so. But if you create multiple videos where you go out of your way to kill this NPC in game for no damn reason other than "hey look at me killing this FEMINIST", you are fucked up in the head. If you find yourself browsing YouTube and are interested in consuming content about the aforementioned, you are fucked up in the head.
Fucking hell. At this point, besides a carefully curated selection of content creators I am subscribed to who I can comfortably believe are not scumbags, I'm simply going to have to presume any video games related channel on YouTube I come across could well be manned by some misogynistic, bigoted fuckwit who is either in deep with the alt-right philosophy and/or are happy enough to cater to their crowd anyway for the sake of views and monetisation. And this shit goes beyond video games. There were a few semi-decent videos about space and terraforming planets I looked at from some Irish guy with a cartoon avatar. I didn't immediately catch on to anything wrong until I glanced down at the comments in his Venus colony video and saw an ocean of comments on the lines "we should ship all the SJWs there. They don't react well to pressure, hur hur!" with four-digit upvotes. Turns out this person behind that channel's an alt-right, conspiracy theorist nutjob who believes in the great replacement "theory".
I've been fortunate enough not to have come across this dipshit's channel so far, though I suspect it will be a matter of time. YouTube's algorithms are fucking maddening that I wager they contributed more than anything to the first feminist killing video getting the number of views it has. Of fucking course the tech libertarians in charge would buckle and have him reinstated, as if their TOSs mean one iota anymore, if it ever did mean anything in the first place. Of fucking course the GG crowd will have yet another field day with this, knowing their open, gleeful and unchecked misogyny can continue absolutely unabated and rewarded.
I haven't had much of a chance to properly go through this thread, though I imagine we must have enjoyed a plethora of galaxy brain level posts equating the KKK with suffragettes whose crimes were simply opening their mouths in public places to demand the right to vote.
Reading this made me feel physically ill. How absolutely oblivious some people are...and the deflection of “ but but I kill men in it too” god.
Basically, technically the algorithm isn't at fault: the vid is getting lots of clicks from each "poll" results in it spreading. I believe viewer time is also taken into account now.
I should say, I could be wrong in how it works as I haven't seen the actual algorithm, I don't believe they've made it public.