1. Morrigan

    Morrigan
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    You should read the OP. Making several off-topic posts without reading the OP is frowned upon.
     
  2. Wouldn't that be nice.
     
  3. StuBurns

    StuBurns
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    I read it, the earliest video specifically cited is the one with just the woman. I've been looking though, and I don't think there is an earlier video, unless it was a Twitch stream or something.
     
  4. Madmackem

    Madmackem
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    Not a fan of YouTube but s ems like it’s working as it should.
     
  5. leburn98

    leburn98
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    The very first 'Annoying Feminist' video is the one where he punches her. In the video, he enters and leaves a shop. Starts a conversation with her. She questions Arthur on whether he believes in a woman's right to vote in which Arthur responds with a snarky "well if anyone is dumb enough to vote I say go for it". She gets snarky back at him at which point the player pushes her back and punches her. The video ends. At no point in that video was he killing men, if that is what you were led to believe. However, he did have other videos where he was killing or beating men, including the killing of KKK members.

    According to Shirrako, this clip was taken from a live stream he did of the game and decided to upload the clip to YouTube as it was a "funny" moment.

    I think it's fairly obvious what happened here. Shirrako releases the first video with a click-baity title (which seems to be the norm for him) and it goes viral. He realizes this and creates a few more "Annoying Feminist" videos to capitalize on the first video's popularity. I don't know if that makes him a sexist, but it undoubtedly makes him an idiot.
     
  6. Chettlar

    Chettlar
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    Yup. This makes me really disappointed.
     
  7. You ever notice how none of these both sides motherfucker have ever defended the feminist weird how that is
     
  8. Riversands

    Riversands
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    That statement may be true if you are talking about "should lazy dev rhetoric get warning first or direct ban for first timer kind of argument" or "should cannabis be legalized argument" or "should government regulate gaming prices argument" you do not use that to dismiss basic right of human beings. Thats not how you use that statement
     
  9. The fact he tagged three awful influences (Boogie, Keemstar and H3H3 AKA the one who made a big deal to the WSJ trying to defend Pewdiepie only to embarrass himself while doing so) and uses those annoying buzzwords unironically on his twitter/YT proved that he's likely not as innocent as he makes himself out to be and he knew what he was doing

    That being said, YT is pretty cruddy when it comes to taking down channels or vids without reasons. Their automated bot has gone after folks who post vids informing their viewers of a twitch stream for "Spam" and it caused lots of innocent people to get strikes or terminations just because of something so minor (even accidental streams can lead to your channel getting frozen, which is just stupid.)

    There's lots to hate about YT's abysmal treatment of creators but when you make thumbnails like that, encourage a toxic comment section, and use full-blown edgy buzzwords, then it makes you look pretty awful and not someone that would be so innocent or nice. If his vids were nothing but un-voiced gameplay of him goofing off in the game just for the heck of it, without any outrage titles or any clear focus on killing this or that (AKA, just a collection of Red Dead gameplay videos he made with nothing extra, basically all the uncut stuff he did while recording those videos instead of just the stuff meant to clickbait shock/outrage/etc) then i think everything would have been totally fine, but he knows exactly what he did here and it wasn't an accident the way he promoted these. I know getting views on YT is beyond painful for small channels, but this guy is bigger and should know better... I also know of many other, more deserving YTers that had channel issues and deserve their channels back, yet this jerk ends up getting his back because Keemstar continues to be an awful person
     
  10. jipewithin

    jipewithin
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    As a proud feminist myself I hate all these alt righters who hate feminists. Good he was banned.
     
  11. ctfg23

    ctfg23
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    I'm still laughing about the poster who compared being anti-feminist to not liking broccoli
     
  12. newmoneytrash

    newmoneytrash
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    How are some people trying to go so far out of their way to remove the political meaning from his videos lmao

    Like what do you gain from this?
     
  13. psychowave

    psychowave
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    i need jim sterling to dunk this asshole though. like i need the universe to just give me this after his channel got restored
    you're not a True Gamer until you do a fists only run while handstanding irl, git gud
     
  14. Super Havoc

    Super Havoc
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    Exactly. Some people are just dense as fuck.
     
  15. Richter1887

    Richter1887
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    I haven't been able to access the site for some weird reason but I see he got his channel back? Why?

    I checked his channel and it seems like the first video after returning is him killing a Chinese man...
     
  16. Kyser73

    Kyser73
    Member

    You’re an idiot defending the indefensible.
     
  17. Bansai

    Bansai
    Member

    There's also one about "deporting a mexican", I guess he didn't learn his lesson. I hope he goes even futher and youtube reconsiders.
     
  18. honest_ry

    honest_ry
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    What a fucking loser.
     
  19. Tibarn

    Tibarn
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    Some people really like attention from social media... it's kind of sad.
     
  20. aevanhoe

    aevanhoe
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    Such bitterness. So, basically, you now hate the gaming industry because of the fact that some people are scumbags. How do you deal with the movie industry then.... or any entertainment industry? Or any industry for that matter? I can guarantee you there are people who are involved with cars that are sexist idiots. So, what now - "fuck cars"?

    Look - we're still in the dark ages. I hope humanity will one day grow into a species that is united in peace, explores space and focuses on science and art and philosophy. But today is a time of good and evil - the conflict of values. It's all around us. Sometimes it's great good and great evil, sometimes it's the little cool things that happen and, sadly, the little shits like that guy creating these videos that also happen. Every large group of people has this conflict within it. You can stand up for your values - or just helplessly hate the entire group.
     
  21. TheIlliterati

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    The idea of this cracks me up, so I gave it a thought. In RDR 2 I've definitely killed about a thousand white men, a few black men and a few Mexicans, I don't think I killed any Asians, and I only remember killing one woman, and she really really deserved it. If I had a Youtube channel I would definitely start posting "Killing White Men in Red Dead 2" videos.
     
  22. Wispmetas

    Wispmetas
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    Couldn't care less that you can kill feminists in the game, you can do whatever you want.

    Now those video titles are prety inflamatory, and the guy who made them clearly knew he would get a reaction with them.
     
  23. ShinNL

    ShinNL
    Member

    I've been reading the reactions to StuBurns but I'm sure he made more effort in adding more views to the situation than most of you 'What are you talking about' responses. It's not even about who's right or wrong, it's more like 'everyone who disagrees with me is talking nonsense and I'm hearing none of it' when you don't go into the context StuBurns types.

    To me this seems simple. It's perfect material to get a lot of views. I'm also pretty sure it's not a real message, but rather a jab at moral correctness, which this game allows people to do in a GAME.

    And I do think that getting punished for this one specific series of upload but no one batting an eye for killing a bunch of chinese men in the game, is an unfair situation. They are all just a bunch of polygons and the game allows this to happen.

    That this is a cringy thing to do, does not mean that all other views of the situation are irrelevant. Nor does it mean that the cringiness is the most important view and everything else is derailment. And when we suggest things like promotion of violence, grouping of haters, that enters speculation territory because that's not a given.
     
  24. newmoneytrash

    newmoneytrash
    Member

    You're giving them way too much credit. Considering the content that they have made after their ban and the fact that they immediately went into SJW rhetoric after being banned shows you all you need to know about their character imo

    We don't need to keep trying to find excuses for people who are more than happy to show their whole entire ass
     
  25. Death Penalty

    Death Penalty
    Member

    Wait what, they gave him his channel back? Am I reading that right? Why?
     
  26. Trup1aya

    Trup1aya
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    Apparently whoever viewed his case felt the proper action should have been to age restrict his video.
     
  27. Death Penalty

    Death Penalty
    Member

    I thought it was too good to be true that YouTube would actually crack down on this sort of reprehensible behavior. I was actually praising them for their original unexpectedly empathetic call. :/
     
  28. Richter1887

    Richter1887
    Member

    Wow.

    YouTube fucked up giving this guy his channel back.
     
  29. Steven35

    Steven35
    Member

    What a weirdo.Making multiple videos about killing women is some disturbing shit to me,even if it is just a video game.
     
  30. excelsiorlef

    excelsiorlef
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    You know nothing is more convincing of a defense for gamers then shit like "wow you're so bitter" and dismissive shit like "it's not a gaming issue it's a world issue".


    Gaming has been a corporate commercialist boys club industry since the 80s, in 2014 gaming faces a cross roads, they had a great chance to take a relatively easy stance: "don't harass women". Instead of taking a serious stance, they (industry and gamers), not wanting to alienate their substancial misogynistic consumer base, sat idly by as women (some of whom were among my favorite personalities in gaming) were driven from their homes and the industry, they released milquetoast statements or out right supported GG, 2014 was an easy decision and they failed to make it.

    You are in a thread about a misogynistic gamer spreading out his feminists murder fantasies to the delight and support of his fellow gamers, who rallied around him when his account was struck down, who continue to rally around him because he's been age locked, and all you care to say is "wow so bitter", "fuck cars" and #NotAllGamers

    You care more that people have a distaste for gaming culture than you do about the misogyny that produces that distaste. You care more about fighting people and talking down to people who like games but not the community more than you care about fighting sexism that produces that dislike, largely I assume because you're a gamer and not a woman.
     
  31. Marble

    Marble
    Member

    I am not insulted easily, so I usually have a really hard time understanding this kind of fuss, but aren't the titles the whole problem? I mean, it's not the dudes fault R* has apparently put feminists in the game, right? I think I'm not really far in RDR2, but how do you even recognize them? And would these video's be such a problem if he just named them "Slapping an NPC in the face" and "Feeding an NPC to the pigs"?
     
  32. aevanhoe

    aevanhoe
    Member

    • User warned: dismissing concerns, false equivalences and personal attacks
    There is no need to "defend gamers" because gamers are not a homogenous group of like-minded people. Attack those who are responsible, not bundles of people. Attack bigots, racists, male chauvinists - no one should defend them. But don't attack entire groups that these people happen to be a part of. It's like.... like attacking "car owners" because of drunk drivers - sorry for the same analogy as before, but you get what I'm trying to say.

    You can't possibly know what I care for more or less. Also, I don’t equate gaming with misogyny because gaming is so many things and this is my argument here. I am firmly against misogyny - and you're trying put words in my mouth.

    I have serious issues with people projecting bad things on entire groups. That is called prejudice, and I have experienced it a lot in my life. My whole life I stood firmly for peace, inclusion and tolerance, and yet - I was often called out just because of my nationality when traveling abroad (asked questions like: "so, have you ever carried a gun?" .... "so, do you hate that nationality?" etc). So yes, I am strongly against prejudice, I know it when I see it and it is dangerous. Nothing gives you the right - no holy cause or righteous motive - to make blanket statements about a whole group of people. You are prejudiced.
     
  33. Claven

    Claven
    Game Localization Verafied

    They restored his channel, so no
     
  34. excelsiorlef

    excelsiorlef
    Member

    I literally say that gaming community makes me feel unwelcome and is hostile to women and explain in detail why and you can do is call me prejudice, bitter, and dangerous (lol), equate me to a racist/xenophobe, and compare my words to saying fuck cars. Basically you're telling me that it's my fault that I feel pushed away from gaming, that it's my fault that the community and industry feels hostile towards me, that these feelings are really all a product of a prejudice against gamers, that essentially the real victims of my alienation from something I once loved are "gamers"

    You claim I can't tell you what you care more about but you dedicated far more words and performance to declare me prejudiced against gamer (lol) than you have violent misogyny that is the subject of this thread.

    You do what most do, declare it not a gaming problem, which absolves the community and industry of any unique responsibility. It's the worst kind of lip service to the issue, and it solves nothing.
     
  35. bigol

    bigol
    Member

    Well, i just checked his channel on Youtube and his new video is called "Deporting a Mexican".

    But it's ok, it's just fun.
     
  36. Keasar

    Keasar
    Member

    This made news here in Sweden as well.

    Fuck you, you dickheaded fuckmunch.

    You kill a bunch of men but you don't see people post a ton of gameplay videos titled "Annoying White Man thrown infront of train", "Annoying White Man fed to alligators", "Annoying White Man punched" that then garners millions of views.

    Fuck that fucking noise you sexist prick.
     
  37. Zacmortar

    Zacmortar
    Member

    Equating activism to bigotry is lol

    The difference is misogyny is life ruining, abusive, and violent as a concept that exists. Feminism is purely for the sake of equality.

    Misogynists and the entire alt right dont deserve the air they steal
     
  38. ynthrepic

    ynthrepic
    Member

    He also had a "beating up a Chinese man" video posted right after his channel was reinstated. Watch him play the victim again when it gets taken down for good. Theres also a "Hitler gets punched off a cliff" one, which im guessing is just a German settler or something but im not going to give him a view to find out what it is.
     
  39. What, did you want me to pretend to be more outraged. Guy gets his channelled banned cause he turned his clickbait game in a more extreme direction. Thats just the type of culture youtube encourages, so i'm not surprised.
     
  40. sibarraz

    sibarraz
    Member

    Thanks Youtube, imagine how fucked up society will be without this kind of content

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  41. Hanbei

    Hanbei
    Member

    This, and this individual also has a recent video entitled "Beating up a Chinese man". It looks like I have highly underestimated how stupid a person can be. YouTube should have never restored his channel.
     
  42. Razmos

    Razmos
    Member

    I absolutely hate his response about this like it's some fucking moral victory.

    And any of the people defending him need to examine themselves.

    The screenshots above are the kind of people these videos were targeting.
     
  43. aevanhoe

    aevanhoe
    Member


    Because gaming itself is not the problem, misogyny is. Gaming companies have a responsibility to fight it. We all do. And companies need to be pushed to do better. But you’re generalising and acting like the solution here is to attack gaming itself - not the individuals/specific groups/organizations that act misogynistic or fail to act against misogyny.

    I will give you an example - many of the soccer fan groups in Europe are connected to violence and crime. Soccer organizations have a reponsibility to fight this. Sometimes they do a good job, sometimes not. We need to put pressure on them and on our governments to fight violence and crime. All fine. But here, basically, you’re saying something that is equivalent to “soccer fans are violent, soccer is violence” (and I can assume “boycott/ban soccer” is not too far away). It is perfectly possible to criticize that video and that dirtbag posting it (by all means, go nuts!) without dragging the entire of “gaming” into it.

    Responsibility and guilt are not the same. We all have responsibility, as decent people, to fight injustice and inequality. We are not necessarily guilty of it just because we share a space or an interest with those that are. I don’t know how to explain this any further.
     
  44. Brotherhood93

    Brotherhood93
    Member

    I wasn't equating the KKK to feminists but the in-game behaviour towards them by players and how that doesn't necessarily translate to real life.

    Yes, the person who made the videos clearly holds terrible views but I am saying that just because they want to feed a feminist to alligators in a video game it doesn't mean they are actually prone to violent behaviors in real life or that being able to do that in the game encourages it. I think it is fun to kill KKK members in the game but I am not down for real life murder, vile racists or not. That is the only comparison I am making between the two.
     
  45. Blackbird

    Blackbird
    Member

    When people will realize they're putting so much effort into normalize hate speech and direct attacks towards a specific group of individuals?

    The more i think about it, i guess society just accepted it. This so fucked up.
     
  46. excelsiorlef

    excelsiorlef
    Member

    Meanwhile all you've done is ignore what I've been saying and attack me, calling me prejudiced, bitter, dangerous, a parallel to a racist or xenophobe, all because I say gaming has a misogyny problem

    I said I don't feel welcome in gaming and you basically ask me what I'm doing here then, I say I don't feel welcome in gaming in a thread about yet another example of the rampant, tolerated and outright encouraged misogyny and anti-feminism in gaming, and you go um excuse me not all gaming, stop being prejudice.

    You don't give two shits about what's going on around you, you just care that somewhere a "some" might have been missing from my post.

    You want to pretend this isn't a prevalent issue so you hyper focus on those not being precise enough to your liking.

    Like it kinda sucks that endorsed and enabled misogyny in gaming bothers you so little that you're more concerned with painting me as bitter, dangerous,and prejudice, and comparing my words to xenophobia because I say gaming has a misogyny problem
     
  47. This fucking prick..

    "iTs jUSt a GaME ThoO" Stupid mfers will let this slide, bet if I made a video just mowing down white people in the most gruesome ways and titling it in an inflammatory manner, I'd be in deep shit.
    Fuck Youtube.
     
  48. Kilic95

    Kilic95
    Member

    This is what Boogie and all those upstanding gamers fought so hard for.
     
  49. spineduke

    spineduke
    Member

    It's prevalent - so I'm not sure what your point is to be specific when someone says the majority of gamers have a misogyny problem. The majority of companies do not push back on this, the majority of online forums and video hosting sites do not do enough. The majority has a problem.

    also, highlighting this isn't a solution, its a call to be more aware of the depth and scale of this issue. Real solutions involve platforms like Youtube and Reddit actually actioning on their TOS.
     
  50. GTAce

    GTAce
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