1. excelsiorlef

    excelsiorlef
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    Basically resembles the bones of the discourse here, only thankfully there's significantly more pushback here to those talking like they are, and the ones talking like they are here have to be more dog whistley because overt behavior gets you axed.
     
  2. I see he got his channel back.
     
  3. Vela

    Vela
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    Shirrako is a proto-fascist
     
  4. pld

    pld
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    Welp your wish has been granted :p
     
  5. Ryna

    Ryna
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    My powers are a blessing and a curse
     
  6. Batatina

    Batatina
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    If I stop and think about the fact that these people exist in the world, I'm just crushed by a deep sadness. This is all kinds of depressing and shocking even.
     
  7. Lead

    Lead
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    This guy shouldn't have gotten his channel back. What an asshole.
     
  8. Vela

    Vela
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    Then be overwhelmed by sadness that "these people" are everywhere in the gaming community. You cannot find a gaming forum or social media space where this fascist ideology aren't present. Their vile bigotry and hatred have become so ingrained and endemic to gaming culture that we now stand at the precipice that Rosa Luxemburg already predicted in her Junius Pamphlet in 1916. By-standers & enablers like Youtube and the gaming press cannot be neutral or silent.
     
  9. Batatina

    Batatina
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    I am guilty of greatly filtering the parts of the internet I access, to the benefit of my anxiety. I do not frequent any space where "these people" can be found, and therefore am still surprised at their prevalence. Rest assured that I do vote, and whenever meaningful action can be done to stop thisI will participate.
     
  10. GameShrink

    GameShrink
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    There are tons of videos on YT glorifying and celebrating feminists being demeaned and assaulted, at least no real women were hurt by Shirrako's idiocy.

    Sad that he got his platform back though.
     
  11. Was that too a random thing that happened on a stream and he uploaded it too youtube?

    Man, how this guy so easily does horrible stuff and find it so funny that he uploads it to youtube gloryfing it is quite amazing.
     
  12. sibarraz

    sibarraz
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    No, he actually uploaded that after returning yesterday
     
  13. Trice

    Trice
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    The question is does it break Youtube's rules?

    Seems not if they gave him the acc back, but then why ban him? I mean make up your mind Youtube
     
  14. excelsiorlef

    excelsiorlef
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    It clearly did until someone there decided they're cool with it
     
  15. Trup1aya

    Trup1aya
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    Man, I looking at these videos further I can't help but feel that this particular character interaction was designed to incite this kind of behavior from these kinds of people.

    The initial instinct is to commend Rockstar for their attention to detail and authenticity for including suffragettes in the first place. But Immediately it becomes clear this is less an authentic take on feminism from that period and more like a caricature of a feminist drawn by a member of the alt-right.

    I know it would be unwise to expect deeper commentary from Rockstar here, especially when the character wouldn't get much attention in a normal playthrough, but surely they could have given her better talking points than 'men are unfit'

    When I saw that the player could initiate a dialog, I thought there was a chance at an interesting conversation: On one side a woman who wants laws to change for the betterment of all society - on the on otherside, man who sees it fit to live outside of the law. Instead, the convo seemed purposely designed to throw man-babies into a tantrum and perpetuate the idea that activism is an annoyance.
     
  16. Trup1aya

    Trup1aya
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    Edit: double post
     
  17. I doubt that it was specifically designed to incite this behaviour,. She's out there protesting as she should. Or..would've back then.
    I thought it was accurate, though maybe I'm being a little ignorant. The suffragettes in the game don't end with that particular NPC, there's a whole mission about it. The reactions from the men in-game were accurate then as well.
    Shit, the fact that you have pricks like Shirrako reacting this way, in spite of the game showing that thought process in a negative light proves it.
     
  18. Swauny Jones

    Swauny Jones
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    Agreed. I see it as such as well.
     
  19. StarBot

    StarBot
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    You can't be sexist towards guys

    You can be assholes to us, you can be mean to us

    But you can never be sexists towards us, due to how much privilege and hold we have

    No disrespect, but this #NotAllMen stuff, it's helping anyone
     
  20. CrazyAndy

    CrazyAndy
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    Notsureifserious.jpg
     
  21. Trup1aya

    Trup1aya
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    I disagree..

    Some of her talking points

    "once women get elected... There'll be no more stupidity"
    "men are such judgmental pricks, you need women to straighten you out"

    This is the type of dialog alt-righter fabricate when they are playing the victim card.

    And of course your right, pricks are gonna be pricks. And any Rockstar game is going to attract its fair share of assholes. But that doesn't mean they couldn't have used this setting to present something more valuable.
     
  22. Aigis

    Aigis
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    what? Sexism isnt determined by privilege
     
  23. Crossing Eden

    Crossing Eden
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    You literally are punished for attacking this npc. Note, there are specific npcs that the game is ok with you killing, specifically the KKK and even a racist on the street.
     
  24. Trup1aya

    Trup1aya
    Member

    Wanted level isn't a punishment. Players enjoy fighting, and wanted levels bring more of that.
     
  25. Bansai

    Bansai
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    He's probably talking about negative honor points.
     
  26. Jakartalado

    Jakartalado
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    I recently saw Shirako posts after the mess he has caused.

    His videos are only possible because the game allow him to play that way, and I'm not mad because of that. That's the counter part of giving freedom to anyone, they can be utterly stupid because he is free to do so.

    My problem is the comments. Shirako's comments are far beyond racist and facist. On my country (Brazil) this is a federal crime (his allegations and speeches). The question is... to which rule YouTube obey?

    Apparently.... only the rule of money and privileges.
     
  27. BernardoOne

    BernardoOne
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    This would be the perfect time for Kim Sterling to come out with a video shitting on YouTube for the unbanning.

    But he won't.
     
  28. 1.21Gigawatts

    1.21Gigawatts
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    I cant wrap my head around how people are defending him...

    If there was a charicature on a jewish person in the game and someone would upload half a dozen videos killing "the annoying jew" in the most gruesome ways imaginable, do you think people would see something wrong with that?
     
  29. vestan

    vestan
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    The game gives you negative honor for killing innocents while you gain none for killing KKK and literal eugenics advocates. In fact that law doesn't do shit if you decide to murder them wholesale right in front of them. They'll just move along. As it should be.

     
  30. jett

    jett
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    There's a whole actual mission in the game where you support and protect a group of suffragettes. What goes on in the video is just the nature of the game, you can attack anyone. There's also an NPC proclaiming the greatness of eugenics in the same city, you can dispatch him in whatever way you desire. This sociopath making these clickbait videos isn't the fault of of either Rockstar or the game.

    Being wanted isn't fun in RDR2.
     
  31. DStubbs

    DStubbs
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    Meh fuck'em, guy should of stayed banned. Dude knew exactly what he was doing and used the game to promote violence. He didn't make some video just showing random and funny ways to die in RDR 2, this had an agenda attached and was never made to be funny. Will never understand why people get all bent out of shape about these idiots on YouTube anyway. Oh boo hoo he got banned. So what? There's hundreds of people who probably make videos of RDR 2 on YouTube why does this idiot matter? So like I said before... fuck'em.
     
  32. wbloop

    wbloop
    Member

    Yeah, I know that channel mostly from that. What the flying fuck is up with that guy?
     
  33. vestan

    vestan
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    Gotta love him uploading a video titled "Deporting Mexican" after getting unbanned.
     
  34. Prismatico

    Prismatico
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    It's not like the majority of his content would be missed. Tons of people upload no commentary playthroughs, he just does it as soon as possible and with literal descriptions of the spoiler in the title and the infamous thumbnails...the trifecta of "why is this needed?" (not saying that about playthroughs, but the other two things clearly done in the most clickbaity way possible)

    I'm sure plenty of people have access to the Dark Souls III music as well by now, so I'm not sure why some were concerned about that when he was briefly banned.

    Doubling down I see...I should've figured as much after how much he gloated and said "I love you all" for helping him get reinstated.
     
  35. Wow... just wow. Some people are just pond scum.
     
  36. GusZamboni

    GusZamboni
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    That reminds of my little nephew that started a gang at his school because his father let him play gtav ... he is 6yo.

    Of course, he cannot play it anymore and he was grounded for that.
     
  37. Staticneuron

    Staticneuron
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    Why do this? It isn't the games part that comes first. It is the people. People play video games. And what you see in any fandom (this stuff shows up in sports, movies, comics, politics and more) is a reflection of how much it is there within a society. Trying to point to gaming alone in a response to what is happening in the world is the type of reasoning people attack the idea of "gamers" and totally miss the mark of why this poison exists.

    And complaints about free speech should be ignored in specific context imo. A message of hate and divisiveness should always be shut down. I don't know why youtube allowed this guy to have his channel back.
     
  38. Van Bur3n

    Van Bur3n
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    Everyone saying the removal of his channel was too severe, you’re fucking idiots.

    Unsurprisingly he is doing what anyone with a lick of common sense expected, making more videos targeting marginalized groups that are even worse.
     
  39. Crossing Eden

    Crossing Eden
    Member

    Wanted level is one of the least fun things in RDR2. AND, it's not just wanted level that affects you when you sociopathically attack this npc.
     
  40. Figboy

    Figboy
    Member

    Not surprised by this shit. People like this guy love to live out their shitty worldview in games. Him profiting off of the vid is gross too. I’m glad his channel was terminated.
     
  41. Lulu

    Lulu
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    It was reinstated. Thread title needs to be updated.
     
  42. De Amigo

    De Amigo
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    Do any of y’all wanna take one for the team and tell me what he says in the video?
     
  43. Rukumouru

    Rukumouru
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    No disrespect, but this "You can't be sexist against guys" isn't helping anyone either. You can absolutely have prejudices against men or discriminate against men.

    This doesn't mean that I think it's "more important to address this than sexism against women", or that it makes sexism against women okay, or even that anyone addressing sexism against women should also address sexism against men. It also certainly doesn't mean conversations about hatred against women should be hijacked with discussions about hatred against men.

    What it does mean is that one shouldn't address sexism against women by dishing out hate against men. Call it sexism, generalizations, being an asshole or whatever you want but it's not okay and it should be called out.
     
  44. danhz

    danhz
    Member

    • User Banned (1 Day): Drive-by trolling
    Motherboard: ‘Red Dead Redemption 2’ Players Are Excited to Attack and Kill Feminists in the Game
    Motherboard: ‘Red Dead Redemption 2’ Players Are Excited to Attack and Kill Feminists in the Game
    Motherboard: ‘Red Dead Redemption 2’ Players Are Excited to Attack and Kill Feminists in the Game
    Motherboard: ‘Red Dead Redemption 2’ Players Are Excited to Attack and Kill Feminists in the Game

    1 guy does a video, and we ALL players of RDR are excited attacking feminist

    he he
     
  45. vestan

    vestan
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    I'm really curious to learn how you came to this conclusion.
     
  46. Lulu

    Lulu
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    Thank you gamer. #notallgamers
     
  47. Oheao

    Oheao
    Member

    I don't have an issue with him causing mayhem in the game, my issue is that he is specifically framing feminists as people who should be viewed as evil/an enemy, which has implications beyond the scope of the game.
     
  48. celigio

    celigio
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    Geee this is so fun. Fuck you Shirrako

    Vete a la chingada pinche pendejo
     
  49. Staticneuron

    Staticneuron
    Member

    He didn't read the article. Absent of context the headlines alone make it seem like a blanket statement for all players. The content of the article lets you know it is a specific group of players. So what he is trying to illustrate here is that he didn't read the article, nor the parts you quoted only to make a shallow and misguided post.
     
  50. Trup1aya

    Trup1aya
    Member

    Is that a punishment? There's perks on both sides of the spectrum

    Fun is subjective. But violence is part of the positive feedback loop in these games.
     
  51. Kiekura

    Kiekura
    Member

    Dunno about him, but this thread alone shows it.

    I don't really get why we are speaking about gamers as one group here. Sure there are idiots in gamers, but still