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Dorothy Gale

Alt-Account
Member
May 25, 2018
376
I buy Fathom events if it's available in MoviePass app and it costs less than the ticket price.

Regular tickets are $15 here.
 

Zej

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
913
My theater rarely has people pre-buy tickets until day of. I got into a sold out showing by reserving my ticket right at midnight and there were about 5 seats taken at the time. My wondering is how they percieve "demand": is it estimates based on day (thursday viewings, saturday night, etc) or is it how many have already reserved tickets.

Same for me. The regular showings are all added the week of so hardly anyone has reserved a seat for them at midnight. Maybe there will a way to game it to avoid peak pricing, but it'll probably just be every major studio movie opening weekend.
 

PHOENIXZERO

Member
Oct 29, 2017
12,095
Yeah, mine renews tomorrow and I'm finally cancelling today, not just because of these changes but also because there's like one movie coming out in the next three months that I have any interest in taking the 50 mile round trip required and I can just spend $5 on a Tuesday to see that.
 
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Ashhong

Member
Oct 26, 2017
16,619
So it seems like surge pricing, bring-a-guest, and premium showings are all tied together in the same package.

Annual users are exempt from surge pricing until their current year is up, but if annual users want to ever watch a premium/IMAX showing they have to opt-in to surge pricing as well.
Where did you see this?
 

SeanM

Member
Oct 26, 2017
2,433
USA

adamsappel

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,503
I'm not happy with surge pricing, though it doesn't affect me as I rarely go to the big movies right away. Kind of bit me as Upgrade got pushed out of my area before I could see it. I wouldn't mind if Moviepass raised the rate to $15 a month, with a "We priced it too low" apology; I can't believe that anyone didn't get their money's worth out of Moviepass so far. I mainly go to an AMC theater, but the lower theaters are being renovated and there are only a few movies upstairs, so I've been going to Regal. I don't want to tie myself to one cinema.
 

deepFlaw

Knights of Favonius World Tour '21
Member
Oct 25, 2017
23,496
Learned about Sinemia thanks to this thread. Anyone have specific thoughts on switching to that?

I've been paying for MP (well, I was given a year as a Christmas gift from my mother after I'd told her about getting it, though thankfully just as cash) but don't think I've even used it once. The theaters I can go to are such a hassle due to train times compared to the apparently exempt theater like a 2 minute walk from my apartment that I never even think about planning a day or night out. If Sinemia works there and is actually good, I'd so much rather switch to it and actually see a movie a month instead of paying for nothing.
 

mrmoose

Member
Nov 13, 2017
21,191
So Mitch in his AMA claims that an annual subscriber can use upgrades without opting into peak pricing, which is the opposite of what an employee said earlier:

https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/com...oviepass_ama/e1blcoe/?st=jivuezyw&sh=8966b030

Actually, our annual MoviePass users will not be subject to the Peak Pricing fees, but will still be able to use the other benefits like Bring-a-Friend and IMAX and 3D. Our ticket verification and one-time viewing were implemented to counter the fraud and abuse we were seeing and affect all our members.

But then again, he just said this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/com...ma/e1bn62z/?context=1&st=jivuk0j8&sh=3526c3f3

Peak Pricing is an optional feature, and when it rolls out nationwide you'll get one "peak pass" per month. Also, Peak Pricing will most likely apply more often than not to opening weekend, big blockbuster hits. So, while we encourage our members to see these popular movies in theatres again, we also hope you use MoviePass for other films you wouldn't typically see. And, reminder that you can use your MoviePass at AMC, too!

I guess maybe he means "optional feature" for annual subscribers, but that makes no sense. Also makes no sense to "see these popular movies in theatres again" so maybe just a lot of mis-typing or something.
 
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BlkSquirtle

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 26, 2017
948
Thanks Moviepass for forcing AMC to make A-list. If moviepass goes under I'll be hopping right to AMC A-List and still be saving money.
 

metsallica

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 27, 2017
11,718
I'll probably jump too once my yearly plan expires, but it has definitely been great to see the chains get in gear. Alamo, Sinemia, A-List, etc. Right now I'm paying under $8/month for $70-100 worth of tickets, so...
 

mrmoose

Member
Nov 13, 2017
21,191
Thanks Moviepass for forcing AMC to make A-list. If moviepass goes under I'll be hopping right to AMC A-List and still be saving money.

You'll be locked into that price for a year, but no way they don't either up the price or change the terms once MP is gone, unless Regal or someone else starts a price war (and I kind of assume they under the table agree to ticket price ranges somehow).
 

BlkSquirtle

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 26, 2017
948
You'll be locked into that price for a year, but no way they don't either up the price or change the terms once MP is gone, unless Regal or someone else starts a price war (and I kind of assume they under the table agree to ticket price ranges somehow).

Price will probably bumped up to $30/mo with restrictions by the time that happens.

Agreed, If I see a report about A-list changing I'll just hop on prematurely tbh.
 

thediamondage

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,277
Thanks Moviepass for forcing AMC to make A-list. If moviepass goes under I'll be hopping right to AMC A-List and still be saving money.

AMC was gonna introduce A-List Q4 2017 but MP halted those plans. It was also apparently gonna be $30/mo and not include IMAX/Dolby, so MoviePass definitely had a positive (for consumers) net effect.

I do hope both continue to exist for a while and even Regal throws its hat in the ring, competition for our $$ is much better for us than only one left standing.
 

Bookoo

Member
Nov 3, 2017
971
Yeah, I don't trust AMC at all. Hopefully Moviepass survives or a competitor joins the fray.

Yea, that's what I'm worried about. The AMC deal is good, but I feel like if/when MP goes out of business they will change their plan.

I almost think MP may want to copy the AMC model because it seems pretty reasonable and possibly more sustainable than their current one. Get rid of the restrictions, but limit it to 3 movies a week with no roll over. That should be enough to cover the majority of people and it doesn't have this odd peak pricing feature they are planning to implement.
 

SeanM

Member
Oct 26, 2017
2,433
USA
Signed up for AMC A-List today and used it on Jurassic World in Dolby Cinema. It's super nice and polished. Here are some impressions for those interested.

- Signup: Only took like two minutes to sign up and then was able to use it instantly since it's all done through the app digitally. Didn't have to wait a month and a half for a debit card to be mailed to me like the frustrating MoviePass relaunch fiasco last August.

- Using App: In your "My AMC" tab of the app, it's mostly the same as before if you were a Stubs member, just there's a new section at the top that shows "this week's movies" with three movie posters. Very easy and simple to know what you've seen this week and how many tickets you still have available along with your reservations. When you press the "Make a reservation" button it works mostly like normal, except there's a checkbox (checked by default) that you can make this one of your A-List reservations. The price then changes from normal price to $0.00. Then you are given a screen with a QR Code etc. If you are an iOS user, you can save this right to Apple Wallet and it'll show up on your lock screen as you approach the theater. Couldn't be any simpler.

- Checking In: Since it's reserved seating it removes all the anxiety of having to get there early and wonder if you'll get a decent seat etc. I skipped the lines and walked past the entire box office and kiosk section (which was crowded as hell since today is the $5 Tuesday deal) and walked straight to the ticket collector. All I did was show him my phone with the QR Code and he scanned it and then checked that the name on the virtual ticket matched what's on my drivers license. Then walked right to my reserved seat (nice leather recliner) just as the previews were ending.

Overall the experience feels a lot more polished and convenient than MoviePass, and being able to see Dolby Cinema stuff is really nice. They email you a receipt with QR code too, so even if their app was to crash during peak times or whatever, you can just open up your email instead - so I don't anticipate any issues there.

Took some pics of the process/flow for those interested.

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Chucker

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,331
Maryland
The closest theater to me is Bowtie, and they're nowhere near big enough to start doing these sorts of passes, so I'll be bummed when MP dies off. I'd do AMC, but the closest theater is about 45 minutes away.

Bummer.
 

WoahW

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,974
Signed up for AMC and keeping Movie Pass. We see blockbusters in IMAX so this works out perfect for both of us.
 

Gatti-man

Banned
Jan 31, 2018
2,359
Yea, that's what I'm worried about. The AMC deal is good, but I feel like if/when MP goes out of business they will change their plan.

I almost think MP may want to copy the AMC model because it seems pretty reasonable and possibly more sustainable than their current one. Get rid of the restrictions, but limit it to 3 movies a week with no roll over. That should be enough to cover the majority of people and it doesn't have this odd peak pricing feature they are planning to implement.
AMC was always going to offer a sub plan. MP delayed AMC because of the ultra cheap price. Now that the writing is on the wall for MP AMC has rolled theirs out. The pricing was always going to be 20-30/mo. I'm sure if they get the concession sales ratio they want it will stay $20
 

shintoki

Member
Oct 25, 2017
15,119
So when is this Surge pricing moving out? If I don't have to worry about it till August, I feel like I'm in good shape.
 

thediamondage

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,277
Surge pricing will be beta tested in July in 5 markets (unknown for now) and then rolled out soon after, either late July or August I'd guess. Honestly I'll be shocked if moviepass isn't shut down before then though, they are really low on cash and the stock price is so low that raising more money is becoming exceedingly difficult.

I was wondering why Ted Farnsworth sticks with it, turns out he got paid $8.7m in 2017 so yeah thats a pretty good reason. His business dealings are insane to read about, a good read about him (CEO of HMNY) if you are thinking about putting any money into this
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/article213952134.html
 

Zej

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
913
They've actually given a decent heads up for the new system this time at least.
 

SeanM

Member
Oct 26, 2017
2,433
USA

mrmoose

Member
Nov 13, 2017
21,191
I read that as it's added to the difference. So if a 2D movie at the theater is 15 and an IMAX ticket is 20, you pay 6.50. 5+1.50

Sorry, I worded that oddly, now that I look back on it.

I mean:
1. if you want to buy a ticket for a friend, you have to pay full price plus a 1.50 surcharge
2. if you want to upgrade your ticket to imax or whatever you have to pay the difference plus a 1.50 surcharge.

That's some crap right there. It's also pure profit to them since what is that 1.50 surcharge paying for, exactly?
 

Zej

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
913
Sorry, I worded that oddly, now that I look back on it.

I mean:
1. if you want to buy a ticket for a friend, you have to pay full price plus a 1.50 surcharge
2. if you want to upgrade your ticket to imax or whatever you have to pay the difference plus a 1.50 surcharge.

That's some crap right there. It's also pure profit to them since what is that 1.50 surcharge paying for, exactly?

Convenience/processing fee. They want to slow the burn rate.

Never buy for a friend through them. If your friend doesn't want a moviepass sub, just have them buy their own ticket. If they do, just have them sign up and check in on their own.
 

Quinton

Specialist at TheGamer / Reviewer at RPG Site
Verified
Oct 25, 2017
17,284
Midgar, With Love
Signed up for AMC A-List today and used it on Jurassic World in Dolby Cinema. It's super nice and polished. Here are some impressions for those interested.

- Signup: Only took like two minutes to sign up and then was able to use it instantly since it's all done through the app digitally. Didn't have to wait a month and a half for a debit card to be mailed to me like the frustrating MoviePass relaunch fiasco last August.

- Using App: In your "My AMC" tab of the app, it's mostly the same as before if you were a Stubs member, just there's a new section at the top that shows "this week's movies" with three movie posters. Very easy and simple to know what you've seen this week and how many tickets you still have available along with your reservations. When you press the "Make a reservation" button it works mostly like normal, except there's a checkbox (checked by default) that you can make this one of your A-List reservations. The price then changes from normal price to $0.00. Then you are given a screen with a QR Code etc. If you are an iOS user, you can save this right to Apple Wallet and it'll show up on your lock screen as you approach the theater. Couldn't be any simpler.

- Checking In: Since it's reserved seating it removes all the anxiety of having to get there early and wonder if you'll get a decent seat etc. I skipped the lines and walked past the entire box office and kiosk section (which was crowded as hell since today is the $5 Tuesday deal) and walked straight to the ticket collector. All I did was show him my phone with the QR Code and he scanned it and then checked that the name on the virtual ticket matched what's on my drivers license. Then walked right to my reserved seat (nice leather recliner) just as the previews were ending.

Overall the experience feels a lot more polished and convenient than MoviePass, and being able to see Dolby Cinema stuff is really nice. They email you a receipt with QR code too, so even if their app was to crash during peak times or whatever, you can just open up your email instead - so I don't anticipate any issues there.

Took some pics of the process/flow for those interested.

As an AMC employee, I'm super glad to read such a positive response to this new program. There's always some stress involved with any job in worrying whether or not a big new initiative will go well or not with the consumer base. I only just started working here, too, so I'm still learning the ropes on a lot of things. A bad reputation for the A-List subscription would make things rough. :P More importantly, I'll be happier knowing I'm offering something genuinely worth it to folks if I chat with them about it. Plus, you taught me how this whole shebang will work! Our theater was supposed to have a private meeting about it but it was leaked online ahead of time (according to my manager anyway) and details have been scarce as a result.
 

metsallica

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 27, 2017
11,718
Convenience/processing fee. They want to slow the burn rate.

Never buy for a friend through them. If your friend doesn't want a moviepass sub, just have them buy their own ticket. If they do, just have them sign up and check in on their own.
Exactly. And even with the convenience fee, or surge pricing, or whatever, it's still generally going to be cheaper than simply buying your tickets without MP.
Let's play out the string a bit. Say you want to hit up an IMAX movie every Saturday one month (not that this is possible, they don't rotate that often, but whatever). In this hypothetical, IMAX tickets are $20, 2D tickets are $15. That's $80. With Moviepass (monthly plan), it's $36 (6.50 x 4 + 10 subscription). Cheaper than two IMAX tickets. If this is how you go to the movies, A-List is a better bet. provided you have access to convenient AMC locations. If you go to the occasional IMAX/Dolby film, this seems OK.
 

Zej

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
913
The upgrade would only be enticing if you could reserve tickets early.

I'll continue to just pay a flat $5 to see a movie on the biggest screen on a tuesday if I feel like it. I won't be using the new "features".
 

SeanM

Member
Oct 26, 2017
2,433
USA
Sorry, I worded that oddly, now that I look back on it.

I mean:

1. if you want to buy a ticket for a friend, you have to pay full price plus a 1.50 surcharge
2. if you want to upgrade your ticket to imax or whatever you have to pay the difference plus a 1.50 surcharge.

That's some crap right there. It's also pure profit to them since what is that 1.50 surcharge paying for, exactly?

And probably a $2.00+ surge fee on top of all that, cause it's mostly only the big blockbusters that get the IMAX/3D screens.

Does not seem worth it to me. I'd be paying $7.50 for the difference + $1.50 (in)convenience fee + $2.00 surge fee = $11. Seeing just a single premium showing with MoviePass would already put me at or above the cost of A-List's $20 monthly sub which allows you to see 12 premium showings a month.

And MoviePass are not even supporting Dolby Cinema either, which is way better than 3D/IMAX imo.
 

mrmoose

Member
Nov 13, 2017
21,191
I don't get where you get $36 from.

It's 6.50 x 4 (the five dollar difference plus the 1.50 convenience fee)
But it's also 10 x 4 for four subs, isn't it? Granted you can still see more movies that month, I'm just not getting why there's only one 10 subscription in your math. And if you see it on opening day, it's another 2 x 4.
 

metsallica

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 27, 2017
11,718
And probably a $2.00+ surge fee on top of all that, cause it's mostly only the big blockbusters that get the IMAX/3D screens.

Does not seem worth it to me. I'd be paying $7.50 for the difference + $1.50 (in)convenience fee + $2.00 surge fee = $11. Seeing just a single premium showing with MoviePass would already put me at or above the cost of A-List's $20 monthly sub which allows you to see 12 premium showings a month.

And MoviePass are not even supporting Dolby Cinema either, which is way better than 3D/IMAX imo.
Have they said that surge pricing stacks on top of premium pricing? And have they also said they're not supporting Dolby Cinema? I didn't think the upgrade was limited to IMAX / RealD 3D. Sometimes they say 3D, sometimes they specify a type, sometimes they say Premium.
I don't get where you get $36 from.

It's 6.50 x 4 (the five dollar difference plus the 1.50 convenience fee)
But it's also 10 x 4 for four subs, isn't it? Granted you can still see more movies that month, I'm just not getting why there's only one 10 subscription in your math. And if you see it on opening day, it's another 2 x 4.
I was doing the math for a single subscriber.
 

mrmoose

Member
Nov 13, 2017
21,191
Have they said that surge pricing stacks on top of premium pricing? And have they also said they're not supporting Dolby Cinema? I didn't think the upgrade was limited to IMAX / RealD 3D. Sometimes they say 3D, sometimes they specify a type, sometimes they say Premium.

I was doing the math for a single subscriber.

I didn't see it explicitly mentioned but I don't see why surge pricing wouldn't stack with premium pricing.

Also:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MoviePassC...ings_bring_a/e1ghtj9/?st=jiz2dr7e&sh=6f3a3e9a

That is correct. We will only be supporting IMAX and 3D support at launch.