Or the victim of itself repeating the same exact thing that didn't win in 2016 over and over again and hoping it gets traction this time in a much better field of candidates.
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MSNBC Is the Most Influential Network Among Liberals—And It’s Ignoring Bernie Sanders
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I know people hate the horse race aspect of politics, but over the past 6 months his national polling has been static and the most recent polls in Iowa and New Hampshire both have him in fourth place. He has only led in a single poll in the past 30 days, none of which were in November.
His campaign is doing poorly. Not do bad he is out but not well enough to take particularly serious.
His campaign is doing poorly. Not do bad he is out but not well enough to take particularly serious.
Sanders is legitimately discriminated against period. This isn't playing the victim and it's gross and problematic to think otherwise, or cheer this sort of thing on just because of ones personal dislike of Sanders.
I mean yes the media can't market/profit off of Sanders coverage. You can show a clip of Sanders from the 80s and get the same substance (he's not wrong).
I'm starting to believe that liberals are even less morally and politically consistent than right wingers. Sad af
So you're straight up lying now? Sanders taking point is the antithesis of 'I alone can fix it', which you'd know if you were informed, or do know but are choosing to misrepresent him. Either way it's not a good look no matter Sanders chances of winning.
Do you actually think someone who wants serious systematic change can work with congress to enact it? Seriously, after 8 years of Obama getting nothing done by comprising with republicans who had no intentions of working with him at all in the first place?
Congress, be it republicans or centrist dems, will never co-operate with a socialist because to do so is to actually challenge the existing power structures from which they benefit. Enacting change like single payer, the green new deal, challenging the country's imperialistic foreign policy, or actually addressing wealth inequality goes against corporate interests which to those in power is completely unacceptable. This is why it's important to build a movement, because without it these issue will never properly be addressed and as such people will continue to suffer and die while the wealthy and powerful prosper off of their misfortune.
Also the point of this movement is for it to outlast Bernie, to actually revive leftist politics in the US and shift the overton window. The reason people flock behind Bernie is not because of some "cult of personality" but because of who he is and what he represents. Bernie is someone who's always been consistent with his views, someone who held the fort for socialists in the US for years. It's because of his consistency and his uncompromising nature, that leftists and the working class trust him and rally around him, because aside from him no other candidate really has the dedication to fight for the people and not for corporations. He can be trusted to have the right position and stay consistent even when doing so is unpopular (such as his long time support of gay rights, his opposition to the Iraq war and other imperalistic ventures by the US, and his support of Ilhan Omar when even her own party was throwing her under the bus). In comparison, his closest competitor in terms of ideology has already compromised her M4A plan to appease centrists and republicans, and that's before even getting through the primary. He's not perfect by any stretch (for example I would prefer for him to be even further left when it came to foreign policy) but he's really the only one people can trust out all options.
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Your points have no basis in truth whatsoever. I pity every single poster who'll try to challenge them in good faith.
Obama passed legislation that gave 30 million people insurance, and you call it "nothing". Then wonder why bernie gets blown out of a primary.
Yes, theres no basis in reality that bernie complains about the media, in a thread about bernie getting screwed by the media.
Also he didnt at all complain about the primary results, no sir.
I like Ari Melber because he sticks to law and lyrics. I don't really notice him cover candidates unless there's a headline, but I can't speak to the entire network.
I think that's the best case scenario here. I don't see this going for Bernie. It didn't last election, and its not going to happen here IMO. Maybe if it lasts and someone else becomes the head of it we will see it live on and do better. But Im done with Bernie, was done last election, and I think its starting to show that maybe those of us that felt that way aren't exactly a small group of people. I'll take Warren by a mile.
What's the point of health insurance if you still can't afford healthcare. Obamacare is better than nothing but frankly that's nowhere near good enough. People are still dying needless deaths and being forced into financial ruin thanks to the greed of the private healthcare industry and no amount of half-assed centrist reforms are going to fix it.
I don't understand why a leftist would ever choose Warren over Bernie, especially now that she's backtracked on M4A. All of his positions are better than Warren's, especially when it comes to things such as foreign policy where Bernie represents an actual fundamental positive change while Warren is still the same old imperialism that's plagued american foreign policy for decades.
Thats exactly how i feel.
And on to the subject, the whole idea that theres no Bernie bias at all and that his supporters are only crying already says a lot about our "liberals".
Even a Republican can see that traditional media has a bias against people like Bernie.
Fine with me. The more this dangerous clown and his 'we'll change absolutely everything through uhhhh . . . Revolution!' gets pushed to the side, the better.
Wow, the mental gymnastics on display here is very disheartening.
I don't think it's nothing. It's a massive handout to health insurance companies.
What accusations were unsupported?
There's data and reporting out there so we can verify.
Oh you guys are anti-ACA, thats nice. Something you and most republicans can rally around.
Thinking the ACA isn't nearly enough for America isn't the same as being anti-ACA but whatever you wanna say to justify your irrational hatred of Sanders.
God forbid this guy gets elected, can't govern for shit, it becomes a mess just like Trumps administration, and then the eventual snap-back the right with much more force.
We already tried a populist that surrounds himself with awful people, let's not do it again.
I was 100% on board the bernie train in the primary, im not anymore because he exposed himself for what he is, thats the epitome of logical.
Meanwhile, Trump's empty podium wants to have a word. You know better
Hmm yeah, seems like a repeat of the last primary. Just instead of the DNC being bias and blamed it's now the media, or liberal media or whatever.
Oh, the right wing think tank plan where people still die by the 10s of thousands annually because they lack access to reasonably affordable healthcare. A step in the right direction doesn't suddenly make it good.
He exposed himself as....what? A principled fighter for social and economic rights for all? What are you on about?
Why is it illogical to believe that everyone has a right to healthcare? Why is it illogical to believe that people shouldn't have to die needless tragic deaths or be forced into financial ruin due to situations out of their control? Why is it illogical to believe that the greedy and malicious private health insurance industry that benefits off the suffering and misfortune of people should be opposed?
Do you want to know what's actually illogical? To believe that after decades of centrism and neoliberalism, the result of which is the greatest wealth disparity in the history of the world, that continuing such legislation will somehow benefit the poor and marginalized rather than the rich, powerful, and privileged.
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Props.
Thanks for rationally responding before me. Had I gotten here first I'd probably have gotten myself banned (again lol).
LoL iM aGaInSt PrOfIt DrIvEn HeAlThCaRe, GuEsS iM a RePuBlIcAn
Were it not such a hilarious retort I'd almost be mad.
LOL
Sorry, but if this is the level of your capacity for critical thinking it's really not worth it to engage further.
But just to clarify...
ACA is better than what we had before in two major aspects. Provisions for PreEC and LC.
That said..
I'm not a dull partisan lapdog shill, so I'm free to think critically and call the ACA what it is and demand better
If you don't think the ACA was heavily influenced by monied interests to be health insurance corporate friendly then you're simply ignorant on the matter.
We good ?
You can just lead with that next time instead of "got nothing done", the tens of thoudands of lives saves by the legislation will appreciate it.
Sidenote, can you remind me what happened to the democrats who voted for that bill that you just admitted was better than what we had before? I recall voters kicking them out of office but that was apparently my imagination because apparently they were removed by corporations.
You're so close to it. It's right there, right within your reach. You almost have it
If you think an entirely predictable backlash wave election was corporations buying an election, you have absolutely no understanding of how negative enthusiasm works in modern US elections.
Yeah, the idea that a President Sanders not being able to enact his ideas because of an opposition Congress will do anything to "inspire a movement" doesn't spend much time out in the world.
Average people are colossally stupid and uninformed when it comes to politics, and will take that failure as an easy reason to vote republican in the following election.
Average people are colossally stupid and uninformed when it comes to politics, and will take that failure as an easy reason to vote republican in the following election.
Being better than nothing doesn't prevent something from being awful.
I spend $300 a month on insurance I cant afford to actually use. $3600 per year solely to avoid going into severe medical debt. It sucks.
Maddow and Anderson Cooper are the only ones I miss in a streaming world, but with Maddow I don't have time for the 40 minutes I'd meandering anyway.
It's as if you have almost zero reading comprehension. Your post isn't a response to what I said at all. You're just like a robot trying to get your talking points in. My first instinct was right.... :/
I came from a Sanders rally in East LA today where a big part of his speech was about how he alone cannot get these things done and that it's the people rallying around him and supporting progressive policies that will get things done by continuing to stay engaged in the political process even after inauguration day. You could probably presume this means continuing to walk picket lines, protesting for policy you believe in, supporting progressive candidates in local and state elections, etc, but if you want to take that talk in the most bad faith possible (which you clearly do) go for it.
And maybe the other 20+ candidates won't do because their positions on policy are bad in comparison 🤷♂️ . I mean it's not like they haven't already been trying to ape the language of his positions without the substance of them (Medicare For All...who want it).
The rally was fantastic btw. Speakers beforehand were also great and very inspiring. UTLA vice president gave a nice speech talking about the Teachers union endorsing Sanders and name dropped multiple people that the crowd should vote for in local school board elections. Wonder if this got any media coverage.
The Bernie persecution complex is too much. Everything that goes wrong with his campaign is always someone else's fault. It's pathetic.
