Sooooo google image searching that to find out the context while at work was a bad idea.....
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Sooooo google image searching that to find out the context while at work was a bad idea.....
Most of that stuff is already public beside the whole 'nothing to charge in Russia' shit.
Multiple cousin lawyers I know who work in dc inner Circle. 3rd hand source not 1st or maybe not second
Mueller's been syphoning off cases since he started. Nothing really revolutionary there. And I've been hearing the same shit since last year because of it. Like this article from Chicago's Daily Herald, if you're interested in what the National Review has to say about Mueller's investigation (you shouldn't, but it's there for posterity).
https://www.dailyherald.com/discuss/20180726/why-is-mueller-handing-off-key-cases
Same old shit.
Seems a lot of people just jumping to conclusions on shit that could mean anything
I'll bet 2$ that there won't be a report next week
I'll bet 2$ that there won't be a report next week
"Cousin lawyers"
Cousin lawyers brehs
Is this the new Nintendo uncle
... Roger Stone's trial is in October.
The SC just subpoenaed a member of Cambridge Analytica this week. They have indicated that she is cooperating with the investigation:
There is an ongoing court case with the Internet Research Agency.
There is an ongoing subpoena fight with a mysterious foreign-backed company that has gone as far as the Supreme Court:
They indicated last week that Manafort passing campaign data to alleged Russian intelligence was "at the heart" of the investigation.
All of this is supposed to be wrapped up by next Friday? It will be Barr firing Mueller or cutting his funding if that were the case.
Didn't the House just send over all of those Russia investigation transcripts for the SCO to look into perjury?
Seems like there would either be a massive hand off to other divisions or this news is bunk as there are just too many spinning plates active to call this over in a week.
To be clear, the "anti-climax" he refers to is mostly because he anticipates non-answers, not "totally clears the president" answers.
She was subpoenaed/interviewed last summer. It just wasn't publicly reported until now.
The investigation isn't gonna just stop once he reports on his initial findings, this is likely going to be going on for years, beyond Mueller and beyond Trump. The initial report will probably be stuff that can be easily proven but provide enough evidence to make a watertight case for his impeachment (most likely obstruction of justice and the firing of Comey).
I disagree with your interpretation. If Clapper believes that the report will reveal damning information about the President, I don't think he would have any concern about it being anti-climactic.
Because of the word that he used - anti-climactic - my worry is that the report will not contain any information that would implicate Trump in criminal activity.
Of course, Trump has already obstructed justice, by his own televised admission (firing Comey) but I'm hoping for something more, something in the way of the Trump organization being used for money laundering.
There is another investigation taking place in New York regarding the Trump Organization, though, right?
You're probably getting dogpiled for this, but I could absolutely see this being the case.
Honestly, it's probably the most likely outcome at this point.
Fair enough.
Doesn't change that there is far too much going on at the moment, much of it secret, for Mueller to put all of his cards on the table with regards to Trump, his campaign, or the various third party cutouts (Wikileaks). He might have definitive proof of obstruction of justice before the end, but the central question of foreign election interference and domestic assistance in those efforts is still being investigated and litigated.
if you didn't expect something anticlimactic then I don't know what to tell you.
Trump will be gloating when this specific investigation is over.
Trump will be gloating when this specific investigation is over.
Yep. We've been in RICO territory since the beginning. We were in organized crime territory since day 0. This entire thing started off as a multinational crumb trail of assholes doing crimes out in the public like they don't care. Anyways, sealed indictments are the key. As explained here late last year:
CNN: Prosecutors' best move: Charge Trump and seal the indictment
It's speculated that Mueller alone has quite a few indictments, and that was as of November 2018. And it's not like he's been spending them the last couple months.
This will go on long after Mueller leaves, after Barr is gone, and after Trump is gone.
Yes, but the extent of Nixon's involvement in the coverup and related crimes (if not the burglary itself) was not something known to the general public at the time.
Edit: I suppose reporting prior to the election pointed that way, but it didn't become a significant campaign issue.
same tbh
Actually, while it may be in slightly poor taste given the various national security/etc. implications of the whole investigation, I'd be kinda curious in a Mueller report prediction thread.
The burglary of DNC headquarters in the Watergate Hotel was in June 1972, during Nixon's successful re-election campaign. The ensuing scandal ended Nixon's second administration when he resigned in August 1974, while articles of impeachment were being prepared.
Oh please everybody wanted something explosive.
All these people that are saying that they saw this coming are just disappointed if Trump doesn't get nailed.
OK sure but I guess I'm not necessarily "worried" if the Russia investigation finds anything less than damning information about Trump. That was always best-case scenario. I've always been more sure it paints a somewhat messy but not necessarily criminal picture of Trump and his campaign's dealings.
This is definitely possible. But this is something that's been floated as a possibility for a long time. Are these "insiders" speaking from special knowledge or just repeating that line of speculation?
It's going to be like the Mafia/Capone. They won't tie him to Russia, just his underlings. Eventually they will maybe get him on tax evasion or something.
They have laws nowadays to prevent that from happening again.
The fact of the matter is a lot of people aren't fit and most of the media isnt capable of handling or understanding the results of an investigation like this, especially if you havent been paying attention every day for last 2 years. You can already tell this by people simply looking at the title of the charges already filed and proclaiming that it has nothing to do with Russia. I have been paying attention and there have been multiple charges involving lying or other that are surrounded by Russian activity and Trump involvement, but you have to actually read the court filings and understand what the alias names stand for.
To further complicate things, there are many under the belief you cant directly indict the current president, which just adds to the noise of 'nothing to see here'. Additionally, a lot of evidence gathered from secret methods by intelligence agencies can't be publicized as it will divulge those methods. So even if there is a recording of some shit going down, unless that event can be proven through other means it might not come to light. This is why a lot of charges being filed involve those events in detail but are labeled due to obstruction or lying. It's an easy way to make sure the people serve time.
It's a massive web of shit that has a lot of connections and moving parts, on both the obstruction and Russia side. It's extra annoying when you've been following these events and then see a bunch of people acting like if the report doesn't have 'TRUMP TREASON' that suddenly there is nothing there. This is probably why in the end Trump's ass is probably gonna get got on his business or money laundering shit, but maybe not while he's president. Nonetheless, expect a fuckton of people to be gloating because they can't read more than a sentence headline.
To further complicate things, there are many under the belief you cant directly indict the current president, which just adds to the noise of 'nothing to see here'. Additionally, a lot of evidence gathered from secret methods by intelligence agencies can't be publicized as it will divulge those methods. So even if there is a recording of some shit going down, unless that event can be proven through other means it might not come to light. This is why a lot of charges being filed involve those events in detail but are labeled due to obstruction or lying. It's an easy way to make sure the people serve time.
It's a massive web of shit that has a lot of connections and moving parts, on both the obstruction and Russia side. It's extra annoying when you've been following these events and then see a bunch of people acting like if the report doesn't have 'TRUMP TREASON' that suddenly there is nothing there. This is probably why in the end Trump's ass is probably gonna get got on his business or money laundering shit, but maybe not while he's president. Nonetheless, expect a fuckton of people to be gloating because they can't read more than a sentence headline.
Basically. They represent findings. The indictments they already have done were for cooperation and flipping purposes.
All of your post, but I wanted to highlight this. I recommend this blog for everyone:
http://www.thenetworkthinkers.com/2019/01/paths-to-putin.html
Using literally just public available documents and public journalism filed in relation to Trump and Putin in the 2016 election gives you this Charlie web of crazy:
Again, just public court documents and investigative journalism. Combine the scope of this shit with the likely fact that Mueller and affiliated investigations have dozens of sealed indictments related to this sitting in storage; some if not most of them won't see the light of day for years to come perhaps.
But let's be clear, there's a lot more at work in play and goes far beyond Mueller or even his report(s). Enron took years, and this is far beyond that. I know the country sucks right now more than ever, but if you weren't planning for this to literally take years before the embers die out, then you set yourself up for failure.
Not to say some good stuff won't happen in the meanwhile. More and more snakes get caught. Might even be able to get Trump out of office in some realities, especially the ones where Trump's only defense, the congressional GOP, are also put in their own vulnerable positions that may cause them to act counter to Trump. Hey just saying, even a guy like Weisselberg has been a cooperating witness for a full year and still ongoing. Rick Gates has been singing for a year now too, and look at the threads he connects to. Cohen is up there in the shit, literally was a true and blue acolyte while the going was good, but now.....?
So Friday should provide for some interesting news.
Agreed 100%. Also note that the 'evidence from secret methods' didn't just randomly come into existence - chances are, massive counter-intelligence efforts are still ongoing and these operations are fairly well insulated from political tampering by design (so they can investigate, for example, a mole in the CIA leadership without fear of obstruction and retribution.) Since these operations typically run for several years, I have no reason to think they've stopped just because Mueller was brought in to centralise the law-enforcement angle.
Totally legal and cool!
Anyone who believes this at face value is a bozo.
My understanding is that Mueller had "unofficial" transcripts of much of these already, but needed the official ones before he could take any action on them. Is that accurate?
There isn't anything here that I haven't heard people in the "media" talk about constantly on CNN and MSNBC. Not that I disagree with any of it, but your assertion that you somehow know all the answers because you've been paying attention to this, and not the people in the media that literally live and breathe this stuff, is absurd.
Do tell, where do i say i know all the answers? I merely pointed out those that pay attention, are well aware of both Russian and Trump involvement of varying degrees, as opposed to the popular 'nothing here' thoughts i pointed out. Add in some common sense thoughts on investigations and evidence and really nothing about what i said is 'absurd' like you say. Carry on.
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