Multiple attacks against Asians today in San Francisco
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This shit wild and sad.
Some of the attackers also have a violent history, just like the guy outside the hotel in NYC. wouldn't be surprised if more people are linked to previous charges. fucking sucks that hate crimes are hard to "prove" because these are all premeditated on race.
Some of the attackers also have a violent history, just like the guy outside the hotel in NYC. wouldn't be surprised if more people are linked to previous charges. fucking sucks that hate crimes are hard to "prove" because these are all premeditated on race.
Don't have to be a gun. Knives are easy to conceal. If you have a ring of keys, hold them in a way where each key tip is sticking out between your fingers near your knuckles and use them like iron knuckles. If worst comes to worst, fight for survival, bite (bacteria in peoples mouths can infect wounds badly, and even lead to death) or go for the eyes (gouging). It's your life or theirs, and quite frankly, I'd be more happy living in a world with one more innocent human being that wasn't snuffed out before their time than a world with one more destructive, violent, racist piece of shit.
I think I've heard that this, although a common saying, is not actually that effective and is more likely to be a detriment to you than the opponent.
They are literally picking out people who are physically less capable of defending themselves. A knife or key ring isn’t going to help things. Violence to combat violence isn’t the way.
There isn't enough being done to work with mental health, the homeless and punishing/rehabbing violent criminals. Whatever they think their doing and whatever the hell chesa boudin thinks he's doing is not working
not Asian, but after years of seeing videos of these kinds of attacks in and around SF, I carry pepper spray with me everywhere. Just make sure you always have it to where you can whip it out in a second's notice or it's no use at all.
I once had a guy kick me on a bus cause apaprently I was standing too close to him (the bus was VERY crowded), so yeah, next time someone wants to attack me I'll be ready.
I also carry a brass door opener for opening doors in public after covid. easy to create a makeshift brass knuckles with it if I had to defend myself from something as brutal as seen in that video. I'm not saying I want to hurt anyone, but nobody is going to inflict violence on me and get away with it.
I once had a guy kick me on a bus cause apaprently I was standing too close to him (the bus was VERY crowded), so yeah, next time someone wants to attack me I'll be ready.
I also carry a brass door opener for opening doors in public after covid. easy to create a makeshift brass knuckles with it if I had to defend myself from something as brutal as seen in that video. I'm not saying I want to hurt anyone, but nobody is going to inflict violence on me and get away with it.
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self-defense, numbers, local support (like guardian angels roaming Flushing in NYC) is important. yes, it is true that a gun or a knife is more likely to be used against the owner during an altercation. Still other ways for self-defense and that is going to involve some type of violence from time to time.
I do wonder if Chesa Boudin is really the right guy to be the DA. I get that SF is very lax when it comes to prosecution but fuck me it seems like they are doing jack shit to keep the city safe
This is insane. We always go together when we go places now. Wife has started going in "disguise" (glasses, hat, with mask) to be less of a target. I know they started doing civilian patrols in Oakland. Going to see if there is one to join in SF. Fucking monsters attacking elderly and kids. Blood boiling.
Throwing every poor person you can in jail and leaving them there to rot because they can’t afford the bail that rich folks who do the same or worse things can afford to pay isn’t going to make the city safe. A stint in jail isn’t going to make a violent person less violent.
For the ones with power to take a stand.
we aint gonna take that way tho
I assume the reason you rarely see a bystander intervening in these videos is because when they DO intervene, no one is recording it.
This is completely false. The CA Supreme Court’s ruling was that courts are required to -consider- whether a defendant can afford to pay bail, but doesn’t require their release if the judge can rationalize holding them anyway. Bail schedules still exist here and bail still exists here. A chance at getting out without paying it is great, but that’s absolutely not the same as “there isn’t cash bail for poor people” anymore.
To me, it's honestly easy to pinpoint when everything went to shit. I was born and raised in America, 30+ years, and early in my childhood, there was a lot of racism from kids but we all never knew what we were doing. After graduating from college, to working 15 years, I can count maybe 3 incidents of racist comments towards me in NYC. (someone drunk asked for my autograph, cause he thought I was jeremy lin, and I'm counting this as a racist incident)
However, in the past year, I've had to deal with five racist incidents. And it all coincided with our dear president stoking the flames with kung flu and china flu and all this scape goating. We became a group of people he could use as a boogey man to improve his election chances, and it still carries through. I've showed I don't back down so the racists generally back down, but Jesus, my 5'3 significant other or my elderly parents? I worry immensely. And it just seems to be escalating.
However, in the past year, I've had to deal with five racist incidents. And it all coincided with our dear president stoking the flames with kung flu and china flu and all this scape goating. We became a group of people he could use as a boogey man to improve his election chances, and it still carries through. I've showed I don't back down so the racists generally back down, but Jesus, my 5'3 significant other or my elderly parents? I worry immensely. And it just seems to be escalating.
i think theres also just been less normal people around lately and the crazies are out. (not an excuse for behavior - again, just thinking of the world we currently live in)
Hopefully with things getting back to normal, with more people around some of this will die down.
Hey there. As a fellow Minnesotan (Minneapolis), I'm sorry for your the trauma you experience. I wish I had words to fix it, but for what it's worth I'm glad I share my city with you and all the others the bring their cultures and backgrounds into our city. I hope you feel like this is your city just as much as anyone else.
This shit makes me so mad. I can't believe all these people who just stand around. I have so much pent up frustration over all of this I'm pretty sure I'd explode on anyone I saw do this in public. Absolutely disgusting behavior.
Telling others to move in this situation sounds very cold hearted to me. Financial and logistical situations, some, like me, already emigrated from another country before. I can tell you I’m very tired of emigrating into another country again.
It's also just very privileged and assumes a lot about the stability of the area moved to. There are so many factors of risk, jobs, family, stability, etc. that are not that simple.
What is the best way to prep to defend yourself or others in the case of attacks like these? I'm trans but cis-blending and not normally worried about myself at daytime at least, but I also spend hours each day on public transit, already feel extra vigilant these days, but would like to feel prepared to respond to an attack like this.
The country is full of so much hate that Biden getting elected wasn't going to do anything.
You have a entire political party whose sole purpose is to spread as much hate as possible because they think it will allow them to regain power.
The last year should have proved they were willing to sacrifice as many lives as possible just to kiss one man's ass in order to keep power.
Honestly? Stay very aware of your surroundings. Carry pepper spray/taser. Depending on how physically capable you are/willing to be, take some legit self defense classes.
Some say carry knives, but I'm real hesitant with knives as self-defense weapons. If you're overpowered and unsure, knives can quickly be turned against you. Depending on your area and willingness, it's not popular here but I'd consider taking a CCW class. It sucks, but I know a lot of BIPOC and Trans people that carry firearms for this exact reason.
I'm hesitant to carry any sort of weapon because like you said, I'm more afraid of it being turned on me, but the way things are going, I won't rule anything out.
Are there any good resources for best practices to intervene in situations like this, assuming I'm unarmed and untrained?
It's a mix of Covid skepticism, vaccine scorn, and the increasingly loud fear-mongering about China on the right.
Since they're suddenly happening in broad daylight the attacks are probably very startling to random passersby so even if there are potentially brave good samaritans around they might be slow to respond because of shock. Otherwise, yeah, the bystander effect is real. Even with cops.
whats the freaking solution then? just let Asian people get beat the fuck up? get stabbed for no reason? the dude literally was arrested for assaulting someone less than a month ago. i don't understand what you want, Asian people to just hide and wait this out?
Hope the victims recovery well, and get justice.
But if you must feel safe try to travel with friends and be aware of your surroundings.
Try not to worry about it really, until we get the latest numbers reported violent crime rates are at its lowest ever, depending where you live you can go your whole life with out ever witnessing a serious violent crime let alone being a victim of one. Try to remember in the information age we are getting news a lot faster, with the call to awareness of violent crimes against Asians the news are just reporting it more since it is a current topic of interest to the public..
But if you must feel safe try to travel with friends and be aware of your surroundings.
If you're unarmed and untrained you're really going to be limited. I hate to say it, but if someone is bigger and/or more willing to elevate the physicality of the confrontation, the only way to end it is to essentially match that level and shut it down. Sure you can try talking them down, recording, etc. but someone that is bringing a brick to beat a man walking his 1 year old isn't going to be talked down.
I'm a 6'2 200lbs dude with a background self-defense training and weapons training. I'd likely intervene (based on past experiences), but even I'm still at risk for someone that willing to do what they are doing. All it takes is one bad punch, one knife stab, etc. and you're another victim too.
My wife is 5'1 and 100lbs. Unless there are multiple other people around willing to simultaneously intervene, I'd tell her there's nothing she can do other than make a call and try to bring attention to it.
Best bet if you don't want to intervene physically is to make a scene, get other people around to engage as well, and collectively stop them. That's a tall order for something in public though because a lot of people are just flat out in shock. It's not something you immediately register, so you just freeze and are trying to process what is happening.
MAYBE. Pepper spray can easily just enrage someone like this and not actually disable them. It's not a bad option though.
Hopefully it would incapacitate them long enough to get away. I didn’t know people could fight through it
Well I was under the impression that although it's not a perfect solution you could at least spray it and then run away and they'd eventually be incapacitated and unable to coordinate themselves to get after you.
Either way, I did suggest it as a start in this thread I think, but I don't think it's a solution in that like other things mentioned in this thread it's not protection if someone comes up behind you like that guy who boxed someone in the back of the head unannounced.
On the plus side what I also thought was that it'd be unlikely you'd kill someone you didn't want to.
Fucking hell. This is just insane. What the fuck is wrong with people?
Yeah, that's the risk. Flight is always the best choice if possible.
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The keys thing is a myth and actually pretty shitty and ineffective way to do it. you can't form a strong fist because you've go all your bullshit keys in between your fingers weakening it, hacking up your own hand. Better to make a strong fist and hold the keys like a knife and hammer fist someone with it
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If someone is coming after you with violence and escape isnt an option then yes it fucking is the way.
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“Violence isn’t the answer.” Is often a position of someone who has never been pushed to a position where they have no other choice.
As someone who lost my Asian partner to hate violence, these events and the recent events make my blood fucking boil.
Fuck off. I’m Asian and I grew up in NYC where shit has happened to me before so don’t talk as if you know me.
I’m speaking from the perspective of people who they frequently prey on and are put in defensely positions where having a knife will do jack. There needs to be more support for us than the expectation that we arm up and the threat of hate crime charges because clearly things aren’t working.
in most of these attacks having a knife or a key isn’t going to help the people being attacked. They are preying on people who are caught off guard, are tending to children/toddlers, or the elderly. Sure you can arm up but it’s not going to change the situation at large. The old lady in SF beating up on the dude attacking her didn’t change anything.
A lot of places around the world still refer to it as the Wuhan Virus. As they do also by calling it the South African variant, the Indian variant, the UK variant etc., you'd have to compare the change rate of crimes against Asians in the US as well as in other countries and see the percent change to find any correlation.
Personally I just think it has to do with racists being racists. It's not like they need to hear "China" virus for their bigotry to show itself. It was already there.