Dabi's such a freaking dweeb with his "cool" poses.
I'll say what I said about TLJ:We're getting (If we're not already there...) to the point where Dabi not being Todoroki's brother would be less a good twist and more subverting expectations just because.
I'll say what I said about TLJ:
If I'm predicting it from more than a year our based on evidence, then it's not subverting expectations, y'all were just looking in the wrong direction the whole time.
If you dismiss all other possibilities of course the one you believe is the only one that makes senseThe general consensus of the fandom is the expectation that he is related to the Todorokis, with a lot of that having to do with Horikoshi himself pushing us in that direction due to all the blatant teasing. For that not to be the case would be clearly be a prime example of subverting our expectations. There being a small minority that feels differently doesn't change that and furthermore is missing the point. People fully expecting him to be a Todoroki is not the same as saying that there's nothing people could retroactively point back to as evidence on the slim chance we get an entirely different reveal. Its just that said "different reveal" would very likely come across to most as wanting to surprise the readers for the sake of it, making all of that prior teasing an unnecessary red herring. To not properly payoff on all of that teasing, all for a character no one asked for a long term mystery from to begin with, is indeed a choice Horikoshi could make...
I struggle to see the value behind confirming that he isn't a Todoroki after all this time beyond having readers feel briefly shocked. Same goes for the weird half measures I've seen here and there like the idea that Dabi is just wearing Touya's skin or what have you. In my opinion, the margin of error for Horikoshi actually deciding to not have Dabi be a Todoroki and genuinely executing it well is quite large.
It's not that. It's that with all the weight of teases, the only reason for him not to have some kind of deep, personal connection to Endeavor is to turn those teases into red herrings. And the only reason to do that is to outsmart the readers, who are only making reasonable assumptions based on the information we've been given. It'd be silly.If you dismiss all other possibilities of course the one you believe is the only one that makes sense
How can you claim right now it is the "only" reason, seriously, how can you dismiss something that didnt even happen yet?It's not that. It's that with all the weight of teases, the only reason for him not to have some kind of deep, personal connection to Endeavor is to turn those teases into red herrings. And the only reason to do that is to outsmart the readers, who are only making reasonable assumptions based on the information we've been given. It'd be silly.
Because I am familiar with the basic conventions of storytelling, having consumed a great deal of media in my time.How can you claim right now it is the "only" reason, seriously, how can you dismiss something that didnt even happen yet
Well I can't force you to think otherwise, but I still prefer to see it actually happenning to judgeBecause I am familiar with the basic conventions of storytelling, having consumed a great deal of media in my time.
It's not retroactive though. I've been pointing to reasons it wouldn't make any damn sense for a good long while now and have had folks just shrug off what I've been saying. It's the same damn thing that happened with me having been saying that One for All was going to let Deku use past wielder's quirks then everyone turning around and saying it came out of nowhere. It's not retroactive if someone's been shouting it from the rooftops for months/years and the rest of y'all have just decided that person is wrong.People fully expecting him to be a Todoroki is not the same as saying that there's nothing people could retroactively point back to as evidence on the slim chance we get an entirely different reveal
Pfft. Are you implying Dabi is dorky? That he thinks himself badass by posing as he attacks? Dabi? This guy?
It's not retroactive though. I've been pointing to reasons it wouldn't make any damn sense for a good long while now and have had folks just shrug off what I've been saying.
It's the same damn thing that happened with me having been saying that One for All was going to let Deku use past wielder's quirks then everyone turning around and saying it came out of nowhere.
If you dismiss all other possibilities of course the one you believe is the only one that makes sense
By the way @Lotus I like that analogy you made about how Dabi not being a Todoroki would be like the opposite of Tobi being revealed to be Obito... That one still stings. Damn you, Kishimoto. Damn you. It was too obvious a choice. God I was so pissed when I read that chapter, lol.
It's not that. It's that with all the weight of teases, the only reason for him not to have some kind of deep, personal connection to Endeavor is to turn those teases into red herrings. And the only reason to do that is to outsmart the readers, who are only making reasonable assumptions based on the information we've been given. It'd be silly.
I'm with you. Hori has nothing to gain at this point if Dabi is not a Todoroki. It doesn't always pay to overly complicate your story. Sometimes the simplest explanation is the best one.Call it whatever you want. Point is, the purpose of the hints is clear, to make us readers believe that Dabi is related to Endeavor. The eventual reveal is something that makes the most narrative sense given the hints, and would also have a tangible effect on at least two established characters. Whereas Dabi being some random guy is... whatever.
I firmly believe we're pretty much past the point of doing something lame like that. It's no longer just some wild theory, the author is actively encouraging us to look forward to that revelation. Can't speak for others, but it's not a matter of "Oh fuck we were wrong after all", that isn't the issue whatsoever. I'm just acknowledging that it would be a poor decision to subvert this particular expectation. Sometimes a spade should just be a spade.
You clearly disagree, so not much else to say.
I just think it is hard to pinpoint that there is nothing to gain without seeing it happenningI'm with you. Hori has nothing to gain at this point if Dabi is not a Todoroki. It doesn't always pay to overly complicate your story. Sometimes the simplest explanation is the best one.
The alternatives I've seen floated aren't convincing. So much of what Hori has teased leads to him being a Todoroki. For all of that to be a red herring or misdirect could be a choice, but would be completely unsatisfying to meI just think it is hard to pinpoint that there is nothing to gain without seeing it happenning
I think you guys are focusing too much on the end result and aren't considering that the means that make or break the reveal
FairThe alternatives I've seen floated aren't convincing. So much of what Hori has teased leads to him being a Todoroki. For all of that to be a red herring or misdirect could be a choice, but would be completely unsatisfying to me
I'm curious to see about Touya is whether he is estranged from the rest of Todoroki's, or do they think he's dead? Becuase I've seen a lot of theories ranging from him trying to become a hero and "dying" in an incident where he went too far with his flames, or was it just an accident when Endeavor pushed him too hard, got injured and left home?
I'm going to say that I think Dabi is currently Touya todoroki but Dabi isn't Touya todoroki. I think he is a body snatcher like the goo guy from the first few chapters. If only because of what was said in the last chapter when they were talking about wanting The ice dude on their team.
I first thought recruitment but then went back to maybe Dabi body snatches into this dudes body and touya todoroki will be recovered and give insight into what Dabi actually is.
I know it's weird and wild but I'm all for some off the wall shit instead of the straight forward answer
I wonder about Dabi's scars. Like, I get that, say, his forearms were scarred beyond repair due to his quirk use and whatnot, but what's with the staples? That he has scars below his lips towards his clavicle is curious too... It would make more sense if they covered his torso but it doesn't, so I wonder what caused those particular scars. The same goes for those under his eyes...
Oh right! That was one of the points of the theory I read on Tumblr before. Makes sense.My theory is that Dabi tried to create his own version of Endeavor's flame guard and it backfired horribly.
Makes sense since Endeavor does it for the intimidation factor.
Endeavor could have pushed Dabi into doing it or Dabi could have done it of his own accord to get some respect from his father.
Either way, scars/burns is probably going to be a major theme of any future Shoto/Dabi interaction.
Yeah, I've been saying this for ages - I don't think that the way that Dabi's facial scars look like a mask is a coincidence.My theory is that Dabi tried to create his own version of Endeavor's flame guard and it backfired horribly.
Makes sense since Endeavor does it for the intimidation factor.
Endeavor could have pushed Dabi into doing it or Dabi could have done it of his own accord to get some respect from his father.
Either way, scars/burns is probably going to be a major theme of any future Shoto/Dabi interaction.
Yeah I think endevour pushed him and figured out what qas wrong and left his son. Most likely tonget back in his dads good graces he tried to emulate him and pretty much set himself ablazeYeah, I've been saying this for ages - I don't think that the way that Dabi's facial scars look like a mask is a coincidence.
Well, I'm still on the Dabi =/= Touya train, so my theory is that Endeavor probably never even met Dabi, but his mom told him who his dad was, so he tried to copy him so he could get closer and then, you know, fwoosh.Yeah I think endevour pushed him and figured out what qas wrong and left his son. Most likely tonget back in his dads good graces he tried to emulate him and pretty much set himself ablaze
Well, I'm still on the Dabi =/= Touya train, so my theory is that Endeavor probably never even met Dabi, but his mom told him who his dad was, so he tried to copy him so he could get closer and then, you know, fwoosh.
So much.
I started reading the light novel and I would just like to inform everyone that Midnight may or may not have castrated a boy when she was young and either way that boy is gay now. Also UA needs sexual harassment training.
I started reading the light novel and I would just like to inform everyone that Midnight may or may not have castrated a boy when she was young and either way that boy is gay now. Also UA needs sexual harassment training.
She truly is a perfect match for Mineta, they're both equally terribleI started reading the light novel and I would just like to inform everyone that Midnight may or may not have castrated a boy when she was young and either way that boy is gay now. Also UA needs sexual harassment training.
HUH. I don't recall understanding the implications when I read that part... Yikes.I started reading the light novel and I would just like to inform everyone that Midnight may or may not have castrated a boy when she was young and either way that boy is gay now. Also UA needs sexual harassment training.
But his face is scarred exactly where Endeavor isn't using his fire. (Unless, again, skin grafts, at which point his scarring doesn't look like a mask, it's all over his face beneath the grafts).Yeah, I've been saying this for ages - I don't think that the way that Dabi's facial scars look like a mask is a coincidence.
HUH. I don't recall understanding the implications when I read that part... Yikes.
I started reading the light novel and I would just like to inform everyone that Midnight may or may not have castrated a boy when she was young and either way that boy is gay now. Also UA needs sexual harassment training.
Yeah was the worst and oddest part of the novel for me. Surprised people just glossed over it.I started reading the light novel and I would just like to inform everyone that Midnight may or may not have castrated a boy when she was young and either way that boy is gay now. Also UA needs sexual harassment training.