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My Xbox One is Suggesting That I Become a Nazi!
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You could read the thread or double-check the image before posting if you don't want a dogpile.
Yep, stuff like this is bound to happen with any system that allows customization (gamerpics, gamertags, club names, etc.) Report them whenever you see them, and raise the living dead when they're not dealt with in a timely fashion.
I didn't read the thread. Still doesn't change th e fact I missed the tiny logo in the middle of the cross. Sue me.
Lol. Sounds like maybe you should read the thread or double-check yourself next time then. I asked if you were joking and told you to zoom in less than a minute after you posted. Could have saved you a lot of headaches.
Sue me.
The bolded text is making you look even worse. Neo nazis and white supremacists killed several people in this country last year, and are guiding policies that have brought harm to many millions more.
The onus should not be on a 10 year old Disney fan to prevent these people from mobilizing on Microsofts social media platform. A platform they choose to further legitimize by proactively recommending groups to its users with zero oversight.
I should be able to turn this group shot off my dash. If I join a group it'll be because a friend invited me.
Uh I'd say it's perfectly reasonable to be concerned about Xbox pushing notifications about joining Nazi clubs for games that young children play.
Just got back into XB1 platform with the purchase of an X1X recently. Can someone help me understand if it is possible to suppress invitations to join groups and/or ads in Settings somewhere? My kids often use my Xbox and as a simple proactive fix here I'd rather just not make it possible for these invitations to surface in the UI at all.
Typically people don't double down when they get called out on not reading a thread and then subsequently derailing it. I don't think that this approach will work too well for you...
The problem I have with people saying "just report it", is that it means the moderation is entirely passive. For it to be removed a customer has to actually see it first, and that customer has to be sufficiently disgusted by it to go through the reporting process. But there are a lot of of people who aren't, and are willing to let it continue to fester - and there's quite a few people today who might actually agree with the group's message. Platforms have a responsibility to make sure these views don't proliferate.
Personally I think social platforms need to be a bit more proactive in their response. A while ago Instagram's shitty algorithm recommended me a video (thankfully not graphic) of what appeared to be someone slipping off a ledge and falling into an active volcano. Did I report it? Of course I pressed that report button as quickly as I could - but you know what, I would have much rather preferred if that thing never appeared on my screen to begin with. (And of course, to actually report the video you have to first tap to make the thing full screen, great UI design, Instagram.) The fact is, the reason why that video appeared on my screen is that it became viral to some extent - a video so outrageous people can't help but look, much like how millions ended up watching that stupid Logan Paul video to the point where it became one of the top trending videos on the site. By the time the reports come in and the website moderators finally remove it, the damage has already been done. The moderators are simply the clean up crew.
Or people (mostly whites on this forum, let's face it) could stop randomly accusing others being of Nazis/racists. Because half the time you guys are making asses out of yourselves when you realize your target is a minority that would be instantly exterminated in WW2-Germany.
I don't need people who's ancestors enslaved blacks for 300 years, pillaged/genocided 90% of the native american population, and stole other country's land to call me a Nazi. That's a white supremacists thing, doesn't even have anything to do with me or my people. We don't do that shit.
Please show me where I called them a Nazi/racist.
I told them to avoid drive-by posting to avoid dogpiles. Pretty sound advice, clearly, given this thread.
Mhm, there are options for that! Set up their accounts under an adult account (yours in this case) in Microsoft Family. From there you can set screen time options and privacy settings. Here's a sample of some of the settings:
I was actually changing settings for my family so this was a great time to screenshot this haha. Xbox and Switch have great parental control settings, the former having more specific account controls.
Moderation is not entirely passive. I already explained a lot will be picked up by automated systems. Try and create a group called "A bunch of Dicks looking to Fuck some Cunts", with a logo of an erect penis in all its glory. See if that slips by.
Honestly, as much as the OP was right to make this topic to highlight this, and get some mass reporting going on, some of you need to understand and accept how things work in the imperfect world we currently have with content creation and the battle of handling the small numbers of offensive content that slips by. This should be gone within a calendar day, tops, probably a few hours now that it's getting reported a lot. How is that the end of the world and "damage already being done"? I seriously doubt anyone is becoming a Nazi because of this group and Resetera topic. It's offensive content that shouldn't be on the service, and it will get dealt with.
Going off on tangents to talk about Logan Paul and YouTube, who routinely do not ban/discipline or restrict has nothing to do with MS here. Reign the emotions in a bit and accept this for what it is. A sad user generated group name/logo which is unsuitable for XBL, and something that now it is being reported will get closed and possibly the creator disciplined. MS has a reasonable history with aiming to deal with shit reported on their service.
I would create your kids their own accounts as part of your family, then you can customize their settings (as shown above as well). I can't recall exactly if you can completely block groups, but I know you can prevent them from adding friends so I would imagine so... I'd need to check. My kids are getting old enough where I've allowed some things, although I still block voice communication for them.
I understand there will always be a risk to social features, but my main issue is that this isn't just some small mistake. This is a public facing hate club that is literally being recommended from a viewing a children's game in the marketplace.
If that's possible in however the current set up is, then I believe that's a failure on the part of MS and the team at Xbox. Not only has it successfully evaded moderation in its creation, but its now being actively recommended to people.
I'm not going out and selling my Xbox in protest or anything, I'm just saying that in a world where the normalization of that kind of hate filled ideology is already an issue, seeing something like this only furthers the problem, and to potentially even younger minds than what is in this thread.
It's no different a system than Netflix recommending based off of statistical similarities. Someone already explained earlier what happens with groups. If the owners play a game, or the groups playing a game, or something like that, a system will try to randomly recommend groups to you that have other XBL gamers with similar tastes. Did you see the Gay Furry group recommended earlier because of a Night in the Woods?
So now MS is trying to turn kids into Gay Furries? No, it's because people in that group, maybe most of the group, has played a Night in the Woods.
This is not MS normalizing a hateful ideology, for goodness sake, it's the "funny" consequence of an automated recommendation system linking a Disney game to an offensive XBL group that shouldn't be on the service. And before anyone gets smart with this post, as that other poster said earlier, there is nothing wrong with Gay Furries. The comparison here is to show how an automated system for recommendations cares not about group name, but what the users of said group are playing.
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Absolutely disgusting, MS need to refine whatever logic they use to determine offensive pictures. I can't say I'm shocked to see racist gamer groups but I really hope this stuff isn't being pushed onto kids or MS have a lot to answer for.
OP should put this on Reddit and watch it grow
OP should put this on Reddit and watch it grow
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At what point did I say MS was actively trying to turn anyone into anything?
At this point I think we can just agree to disagree.
The fundamental misunderstanding that the group is being actively recommended because of it's name/logo/purpose, rather than accepting it's been recommended based off what the owners/people part of it are playing. This matters to contextualize or else you get people unfairly stating MS are somehow responsible for pushing Nazi-ism.
The hilarious PR nightmare for both Disney and MS hinges on the fact it's their "operating system" which has caused this unfortunate mix. Not anything of actual intent/purpose. Someone in that group has played a Disney game, and now the group has been recommended to the OP because of said Disney game.
So every console manufacturer should ensure manual approval for gamertags?
Automated systems are fine so long as companies act promptly when inappropriate content is reported.
Context matters.
In what you quoted the use of actively is referring to the fact the automated system deciding all this is now (actively) recommending it to people outside of it, not something that can just be searched and found.
I'm aware MS isn't literally deciding who gets to see the club and who doesnt.
Automated systems are fine, I'm taking issue with the fact this one in particular has failed so spectacularly.
Why? It is very obviously a swastika.I'm just gonna leave this here
I'm just gonna leave this here
And I'll just leave this here
https://www.resetera.com/posts/3618126/
But that is what matters here? This is the context of an unfortunate scenario of mishaps. The group getting through any automated moderation, the owners then playing Disney games, and a random person who has also played a Disney game being recommended to join a Nazi group on XBL. It's a comical line of mishaps, that one should be able to laugh at due to the imperfection surrounding AI/automated systems, whilst simultaneously reporting for removal.
Context matters though and that image is pointless in this thread.
I understand that now which is why I deleted that post. Thanks.
I just can't find the situation comical when at it's core, it furthers the reach of violent and hate fueled ideology, even in a miniscule way such as this.
I broke it down earlier, but I'll do it again with more examples. The words themselves, nationalist and socialist are not going to be blacklisted outright. Unless used within a certain context, of which an automated system may struggle to decipher, they're not necessarily offensive words. The political party I vote for in the UK is the Scottish Nationalist Party. SNP. Absolutely nothing to do with Nazis. Socialist/socialism, again, not necessarily anything to do with Nazis given multiple contextual political uses of the world. I don't need to explain how Womens and League will not be part of a blacklist.
The logo, well, this could have been more likely to get caught. However, go lookup White Supremacist or Neo-Nazi logos. There's a lot. Yes, the Swastika is often a re-occuring part of all the images, but automatic image detection in general is very hard to implement without false positives. Need I remind everyone here of the topic on GAF around Destiny 2 armour and everyone being convinced it was KEK and there was white supremacists working for Bungie? It ended up being chevrons, double K design and "unfortunate" similarities. Images outside of nudity may often require manual intervention, and even with nudity, sometimes it can slip through as well.
"Accidental Swastikas" have often been a thing
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...alls-boot-swastika-prints-apologises-obvious/
Sometimes it's just a comical error of mishaps.
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That's actually absurd. I'll admit, I laughed my wazoo off when I saw it was recommended for Disney Kingdom or whatnot.
The worst thing is that the name of the group dont match the image. It probably just using that name as a cover up for some more bad shit
