Impeachment happens easily. Whether the Senate votes for removal is an entirely different, and very unlikely, circumstance. The house should still do their job actually utilizing their constitutionally given check towards an administration stepping over its boundaries regardless.
No.
Dems can't do anything about healthcare anyway—they don't have the votes. Impeachment is an actual process they can start in the house.
Exactly. If that's the case then why even run? Might as well give up. Let the Republicans have the country. Maybe some of us can create our own party where we will do something to fight the ongoing tyranny.
I mean yeah but... i Know this isn't what you are saying but i don't think dems should work on impeachment just because they cant deliver on healthcare. They should work on exposing Trumps crimes as best as they can.
I hear you but I also remember the media turnaround for Barr's flimsy summary to be really quick. Also those things shouldn't matter but they do. There's an election to win.
I mean, we're at the point where there's almost nothing else that can be done. The WH is instructing everyone to stop cooperating, almost full stop.. no testimonies, no evidence, whatever they feel is over the line, they're just simply not doing. This is a battle that is probably going to go to court, one that could take months if not a year or more. I think it makes much more sense spending that time ALSO using the evidence that's available to them, the findings of the Mueller report (ie Trump committed obstruction 10 times).. and beginning a process that is going to take a long time but will at least be in accordance with their duty as congresspeople (so that the terrible precedent of "this doesn't matter" isn't set). One that actually holds extreme corruption at this level accountable to some level and not just roll over and allow Trump/his team/future republicans to shape a narrative that nothing was there, dems didn't even try to impeach because they had nothing, etc.
Have you thought about the voters that gave the house to the Dems in the blue wave mid term? How would they feel as they look on as Trump and his cronies continue to be above the law and the people they elected doesn't do a damn thing.
She's is looking more and more like the GOPs secret weapon. What the hell is her plan and at this point, why the hell is she the speaker of the house when she does not want to do anything.
I think the cogs are turning toward this as we speak. I am saying that whether its today or next week is not that different. If there are pending subpeonas and testimony to attempt to get they are worth trying to get. If there is more leverage we can obtain it is worth trying to obtain it. And people with misgivings about impeachment are not rolling over and doing nothing. No impeachment has been called for and dems have already done quite a bit to paint the picture. If impeachment starts next month or in 3 months i want to it to be done with the most advantage possible. People with concerns about the long term ramifications of impeachment when it comes to the election should not be dismissed as arguing in bad faith or complicit. I also feel its weird we are associating these stances with moderate or progressive ideas.
It is, though. AOC/Warren/other well respected politicians have made the case for some time now that there's enough evidence to start impeachment proceedings.
Exactly stop wasting time trying to impeach. Take the following remainder of time to actually work on policy and put out a good 2020 candidate.
The question is:
Thanks for the article.
ABC News said:
This above article doesn't make it appear that she wants impeachment off the table. She's following procedures in hand to their fullest extent until they've run out of options. Which is how it appeared before the article was posted. That all this could be part of a strategy of building the strongest case possible for impeachment. That they're not going off half cocked and before all is in order.
Its already enough. it's been enough, for me, for a long time. It's not about what I want though. It's about the best course of action and the best way to get a positive result. If that means I have to wait for more fuckery. Ill wait for more fuckery. Doing so doesnt mean I'm a pelosibot or whatever the fuck it is. It's not about allegiances.
"the best way to get a positive result" I guess is something we're just not going to agree on. Because holding future wannabe dictators and tyrants accountable is more positive for the country than the end of Trump ever will be.
Yeah, don't agree. If we impeach trump and he is re-elected we will not be able to hold future tyrants and dictators accountable anyway. It will prove that even in the face of injustice democracy chose to accept it. The biggest mandate for lawlessness imaginable. The correct answer is to impeach but more importantly to win.
And you don't think dems having done everything in their power to stop it (or impeachment) will make a difference in the future? Beginning impeachment or not will have the same impact on our democracy/country, if Trump isn't ultimately removed?
Every thread about doing anything to Trump is essentially.
This is good. To more "fuckery" to happen, impeachment proceedings need to happen. That way congress will have more access to the Mueller report AND get him to testify. Pelosi is obviously wrong here, in my opinion. You need to start frying him now, a gotcha moment won't happen without the impeachment proceedings starting. In fact, she is wasting time, we are almost one year out of elections already. It needs to be done, and done fast. Even because it will be needed to secure the elections, including from even more Russian influence.
Impeachment isn't about simply taking out Trump, it's about a formal political judicial process to understand if the president committed crimes that would prevent him of staying in the office. It's about public hearings, and yes, access to documents via either testimonies or hearing of people like Mueller and Barr. Not sure how it happens exactly in the USA, but in Brazil we had the president doing a final hearing before the vote that got her impeached (unfairly at least from a judicial standpoint, I might ass). IMHO, Pelosi is wasting time. I'm a foreign observer, but those are my 2 cents.
We didnt have any power until January and now that it is May, we cannot say it is now or never. I think it is unfair to not aknowlege that we may not have done everyhting yet we have tried somehow, perhaps naively, to hold people accountable. But if the play is to exhaust every option before moving onto the next step that that is everything in our power that we can do. But it will be all for nothing if he is elected again. If no impeachment takes place at all? that will be hard to come back from. But i would hope at the very least. The next president would install some kind of reform to cull the powers of the executive branch. Please dont construe that I am relying on that hope.
