Yeap, this has been the case for the past two years now really. "Wait for the full report" was an acceptable excuse to kick the can down the road but now there's nowhere left to kick and leadership is still trying to move the goalposts to the election.
Except that the "procedure" here would be the impeachment inquiry, and leadership doesn't even want to get to that phase.
She's demonstrably not if you're remotely aware of the process.
Does impeachment inquiry put Congress on a course that can't be stopped?
Yup there it is. The GOP will throw it back in their face if they dont start the process of impeachment.
That sounds simple enough to do but if that was all that was considered it would be negligent of the potential fallouts. Once something like this is engaged there would be outcomes that would have to be dealt with.
Not only that, but after McGahn blew them off they didn't even opt to hold a contempt vote. Future parties served with subpoenas will follow suit, because they now know there won't be any consequences.
Conversely, they impeach Trump, fail to get the votes and you still get a GOP talking point of "See, Trump did far worse and was never convicted".
Noone is kicking the can. Dems have called for documents and testimony the Trump Administration has stonewalled. Dems are trying to get Mueller in for testimony. It's almost like they are building a case.
Yes it is. I have never said Dems shoudl not impeach I have always said it is a risk to impeach.. which it is. There is plenty that we can benefit if we impeach. My gripe is with people feeling that push back against impeachment is 100% unwarranted. It is rediculous to think that Pelosi doesnt want to impeach Trump. She does. If she is resisting its because she doesnt feel its the smartest move. Does this make her correct? Absolutly not, scrutinize away. But the talk of impeachment is recent it didnt start with trump coming to office. The frusteration for lack of action is a reaction to the president not because there actually hasn't been action. That's perposterous.
That's rich, fresh off your description of people calling for Trump's impeachment from dems:
When will it be enough for you, in terms of having enough leverage? What's the cutoff? There's enough there now, Mueller's report is out, even if redacted.. there are ten instances where Trump obstructed justice. AOC and Warren both agree that there's more than enough for impeachment, combined with every other piece of evidence/info we have that's out in the open.
I don't get it either.
There is certainly damage that can be had by dragging you feet for too long but, if the hearing and the subpeonas really are laying the groundwork for impeachment then as far as governemt goes I think the process is going fairly quickly. I argue that the only thing that can count as urgency is declairation that they are going ahead with impeachment. In that respect maybe that is what counts over everything else. I feel its possible that if it being held off til after mueller testifies (or not) or after every subpeona dems want to serve ha sbeen served it could be effective in selling a narrative which is also valuable.
The reason has been shifted. It is no longer about actually achieving impeachment. It now serves another purpose. But everyone is still clinging to the notion that its 'their job" a job they cannot do. It is absolutely a childish mentality.
Your repeated used of the word childish, condescendingly positioning yourself as an adult in the room, reveals a tragically erroneous, overly inflated assessment of your position here and the intelligence you claim to display with that chiding of us.
Who gives a shit about polling? Impeachment has nothing to do with polls.
Well if you're talking about laying the blame at the feet of the GOP for ignoring overwhelming evidence, then it matters if it's seen as overwhelming to the public.
It is more risky to do nothing in the face of TEN crimes outlined by Mueller's report. It is their duty to impeach, not look at polls and consider their best political options
Agreed 100%. These fucking moderate democrats are so fucking bitch-made but you got people in here defending how soft and scared they are.
