Oh please, I don't presume anyone here wants children to die.
I'm a realist not in the sense I know the political game and am trying to school anyone but in the sense that I recognize that people die just making the trek to the border, people die in our care because of poor health that's not our fault, people die in our care due to poor care that is our fault, that the longer these concentration camps, not afraid to say it
Commedieu, are open more people will die in our care in the long term and if we allow the concentration camps' conditions to worsen under accelerationism some more people will die in the short term, I recognize that the more people we send back to their home countries will result in more of their deaths and that the more people we let into our country that some deaths will occur here. I afford all of you the basic assumption that nobody wants anyone to die but I recognize that people die under any decision made, even my preferred personal solution of being relatively lax on immigration and refugee matters means that by default some Americans will die as a result and I don't shy away from that because there's no position I can take where literally no-one fucking dies.
Now, I never said you wouldn't attack AOC as much but if
you're saying you wouldn't attack her as much then, uh, you would be a hypocrite I guess? But my real goal was to get people to step back for a moment when discussing this issue that has a lot of concurrent news bites that are related by theme but set into motion at various times and that's, admittedly heavy shit. There's people in here acting like "moderates" are ok with concentration camps which I think is a generally absurd take, as absurd of a take as you should have taken it if I had said you were ok with children dying if we withheld further funding from ICE, CPB and DHS. I mean, people probably would die if we withheld funding but that doesn't mean you're ok with it, that's the problem when addressing monstrous problems like this where
all the plays are monstrous and the only real winning play is to not get to this point to begin with. But we're here. So I'm getting frustrated by takes like Congress believed the administration, because I don't think any adult in Congress believes the administration, they're just weird fucking twitter takes that people are latching onto to make it seem like their centrist Democrat villains are getting played because they're stupid and falling for traps when nobody's getting played, they know the administration is shit they just made a judgement call to pass something, that you may or may not agree with that's fine, in the hopes it alleviates some of the suffering. And I really don't get blaming Pelosi for things that wouldn't have stopped under AOC's bill while championing her bill.
I did.
Again stuff like this, this is what I don't get and it's a toxic mentality.
Sure. Which is why I said I understood the take from the posters who wanted to pass nothing. I personally believe that we would have lost that fight, but that's just an opinion and I would have supported the fight regardless in the hopes of being wrong.
