What's this about?
What's this about?
That's really good.The wisdom of centrists democrats is to ignore the arsonist in your house and hope he goes away, then stopping and lecturing those who try and call 911.
Indefensible. Pelosi should not be able to have a public meal in peace.
She clapped at Trump that one timeThat's really good.
So does she ever actually do anything? I mean besides shiting on her colleagues.
So thats two freshman women of color thrown under the bus so far. Ilan and AOC. Very cool to treat "the future of the party" like this.
Edit: damn she actually threw all of them under the bus. Really awesome.
I know this has been quoted a bunch of times but this is legitimately one of the best posts that have ever been written on this board.We need to realize that Omar, Pressley, Tlaib, and AOC mark the possibility of a fundamental change that the white political elites fear more than they fear elite supremacists, no matter how minuscule that possibility is. How they seamlessly combine the intersectional positions of gender, race and class to question the political imaginational boundaries set by the white ruling class, including the role of capital, is absolutely threatening .. Historically the black/brown communities are conditioned not to dream political dreams outside of the absolute middle of political discourse (this is one of the reasons Biden has so strong support in those communities). 'If you dream and act outside of the political boundaries given, there will be repercussions that are worse than what came before', is the conditioning. The radical dream of 'change' for many black and brown communities is one where things are simply not worse than what they were before. That is what is meant when we talk about the need for 'pragmatism' - not to dream of real change for anyone but the white middle class. This is also why these four women of color are constantly attacked by the dem leadership - they need to be conditioned and set as an example of what happens to strong women of color who dare to question what feminism means outside of the liberal confines, who hint at the root causes of oppression of the system, who question some of our cemented social relations. For those of us who study history, we recognize the violence in the language of those in power who constantly come back to how insignificant, worthless, useless, naive and weak in this game of patriarchal politics these women of color are - how they need to learn to play within the white pragmatic confines that they so gracefully have been given access to. They are allowed to exist because if they can be broken from their dreams of change, their intersectionality is a useful tool for promising change but changing nothing, for maintaining the consensus that transformative change is not possible for minorities.
The centrist men in this forum are equally obsessed with 'these women', seemingly they need to remind themselves and their surroundings constantly how insignificant 'these women' are, and how they absolutely *do not* threaten the foundations of their privilege.
I don't like Tim Ryan or the other challengers to speaker. But he at least supports impeachment which is a huge plus in hindsightI got mocked hard here when I was not happy about Pelosi getting speaker when Ryan retired, because I wanted a democrat that was less in the pockets of big money.
I'm happy she is showing her rear, but very unhappy that this division is most likely going to lead to Trump winning 2020, provided he doesn't die or the Republicans decide to run someone else against him.
I don't like Tim Ryan or the other challengers to speaker. But he at least supports impeachment which is a huge plus in hindsight
a jar of snot at this point. It might ooze toward the impeach button option on the table of options.Honestly I don't know who would be better or would meet the prerequisites, I just didn't trust Nancy.
Can anyone more politically savvy tell me what Pelosi's grand political plan is? If it's to win in 2020, what she's doing is running counter to that. Every instance of inaction from her tells the base that voting for Democrats in 2020 won't matter because they won't do anything. Constantly attacking young, progressive members of her caucus that don't sit by and let the GOP get away with shit unchallenged or fold preemptively to GOP framing and talking points tells younger voters that the Democratic party is openly hostile to their ideas and brand of politicking (i.e. actually taking the GOP to task and not being so passive).
Isn't Pelosi suppose to be this grand political chess master? That certainly what was sold to us six months ago.
if you want to be cynical her goal is 4 more years of Trump because it's good for dem fund raising.Can anyone more politically savvy tell me what Pelosi's grand political plan is? If it's to win in 2020, what she's doing is running counter to that. Every instance of inaction from her tells the base that voting for Democrats in 2020 won't matter because they won't do anything. Constantly attacking young, progressive members of her caucus that don't sit by and let the GOP get away with shit unchallenged or fold preemptively to GOP framing and talking points tells younger voters that the Democratic party is openly hostile to their ideas and brand of politicking (i.e. actually taking the GOP to task and not being so passive).
Isn't Pelosi suppose to be this grand political chess master? That certainly what was sold to us six months ago.
Depends on if falling in line risks her career or not, probably.So if we win in 2020 and it's a progressive, will Nancy hum and haw and sit on her hands and preach centrism compromise bullshit or will she fall in line?
The world could come crashing down - and let's be honest, it currently is - and he would still be arguing for incrementalism. No matter how many people suffer, it will always be incrementalism even if the GOP wipes away those meager efforts.He thinks that we need to take our time and maybe, just maybe, in around 2 decades we can do something. He thinks the long game is president over all else. He blatantly said that he doesn't care that I have a non-zero chance that I will die by the end of this year because of healthcare costs because he thinks the long-term is infinitely better than the short term. My death, or the death of anyone along the way have already been calculated as "thoughts and prayers", but necessary "thoughts and prayers". Hell, the probably like it that way since as a statistic, they can do whatever they want rather than a voice that contradicts them.
Shes not complicit. Shes actively abetting and reinforcing the rise of facism and allowing the republican party to become completely despotic within American Politics.
Remember how she tut-tutted Maxine Waters when she called for protests?Pelosi is terrified of Democrats making any real noise it feels.
Went after Maxine, AOC, and Ilhan....interesting.Remember how she tut-tutted Maxine Waters when she called for protests?
Those are the usual people she likes to go after despite what several posters will try to tell you about why her constantly throwing them under the bus isnt actually that bad.
Thanks mom!
Wonder if there's a reason nobody wants to tug too hard at this thread
Thanks mom!
Wonder if there's a reason nobody wants to tug too hard at this thread
She's been complicit for over 10 years.
yeah but at least back then she was still nice with it now it's just like "go back to twitter you socialist ghouls and leave Queen Pelosi alone"She's been complicit for over 10 years.
Little do many know that she had a chance to nail George W. Bush for lying about WMDs but used similar stall tactics/excuses/hand-waving there as well.
Here is the related article.
Fuck Nancy Pelosi to be honest.
A lot of folks have said it recently but the honest truth is that she's not a revolutionary. She wants Dems in power and peace, not upheaval. I just don't think she has the capability to recognize the difference between a partisan disagreement and actual fucking war crimes which is depressing and sad but probably common for someone from her generation.She's been complicit for over 10 years.
Little do many know that she had a chance to nail George W. Bush for lying about WMDs but used similar stall tactics/excuses/hand-waving there as well.
Here is the related article.
Fuck Nancy Pelosi to be honest.
A lot of folks have said it recently but the honest truth is that she's not a revolutionary. She wants Dems in power and peace, not upheaval. I just don't think she has the capability to recognize the difference between a partisan disagreement and actual fucking war crimes which is depressing and sad but probably common for someone from her generation.
Look at how many people these days seem to think that racism is just an "opinion" to be debated. Kids in cages probably is probably something up for debate to someone like that too.
That can be interpreted in many ways imo. I think she means Trump. If it were Democrats she would never write that. Unless things will move very quickly now.
if you want to be cynical her goal is 4 more years of Trump because it's good for dem fund raising.
as for her *actual* goal, no one knows. If someone still thinks there's some sort of master plan behind this I don't know what to tell them.
I mean... with some of the stuff she's said and done lately I can't dispute that possibility.
I'd cosign that. I thought the argument between these two bills was overblown but I do think they should start impeachment hearings and they gotta do oversight on the guys fucking up.Honestly we should just make an OT of Nancy Pelosi not doing her job.
if you want to be cynical her goal is 4 more years of Trump because it's good for dem fund raising.
as for her *actual* goal, no one knows. If someone still thinks there's some sort of master plan behind this I don't know what to tell them.
That can be interpreted in many ways imo. I think she means Trump. If it were Democrats she would never write that. Unless things will move very quickly now.
Yes. In a sarcastic way. I otherwise wouldn't know why she would say something like that.You think an Executive DNC Chairwoman and daughter of Nancy Pelosi is talking about Donald Trump as one of her faves?