Dems underestimate the popularity and influence of AOC and co. at their own peril.
This is the type of out of touch thinking that makes people laugh and kinda proves Pelosi's point.
Dems underestimate the popularity and influence of AOC and co. at their own peril.
Well at least he is not a god damn communist who wants to take the money and freedom of all those hard working American millionaires and billionaires.I love this "we have to find a compromise to get things done, nobody likes radical ideas" argument while Donald Trump is president
Kept the wall from blocking other budget bills for a period of time.
I dunno. People act like there isn't a method to her madness. Agree or not, the logic to not impeach him (wont get past senate, the ensuing circus will give him even more facetime and embolden his base even more) is correct. Strategy wise its sound because Trump being Trump has helped push their big midterm win and presumably that streak will continue in 2020.
NOW, we can absolutely make the argument that people making decisions based on political strategies and not based on 'right vs wrong' is what got us to this point of a broken democracy with effectively no checks and balances. But we fell down this slope years ago.
Kept the wall from blocking other budget bills for a period of time.
Lol didnt she expose a huge amount of terrible things happening at one of Trump's concentration camps that led to it being temporarily shut down? She has become a media darling with everyone coming at her or praising her. Whether people care to admit it or not she is outshining Pelosi in the national spotlight.This is the type of out of touch thinking that makes people laugh and kinda proves Pelosi's point.
Yes, this.I've always like Pelosi. She's a strong and capable leader. She's done a lot of good in her life and I appreciate that. But fuck this shit. Time to step out of the fucking way.
By funding it further border bullshit.
Democrats completely laid down for this one. There's compromise and then there's flat out helping the monsters be monsters. No great master 4D level plays were made for compromise on our behalf. Unless if the agenda includes letting people be crushed more by fascists policy, then this is a resounding success for Democrats.Not sure how that correlates to my point at all. You can retain your ethos and never compromise but you will also never accomplish any of your agenda. It's a broken system but you still have to play within the confines of it or you aren't even really in the game.
Lol didnt she expose a huge amount of terrible things happening at one of Trump's concentration camps that led to it being temporarily shut down? She has become a media darling with everyone coming at her or praising her. Whether people care to admit it or not she is outshining Pelosi in the national spotlight.
Can we stick to Nancy Pelosi and the article, please?
We don't really need all this meta commentary aimed at random people who have supported Pelosi and what you think of them.
Gluttons for punishment.It's cool how Dem leadership seem to go out of their way to try to make their base as unenthusiastic as possible.
true. def signs of friction there.Why would she publicly fight her followers, some of which are her congresspeople? Even if she believed this, why wouldn't she pick a more diplomatic answer lol
Okay not it, but "emergency funding for the border" which is equally stupid.
Make sure to find a candidate and primary her in next year's election
It's cool how Dem leadership seem to go out of their way to try to make their base as unenthusiastic as possible.
Yes, this.
You can appreciate the brilliance she's shown in the past and criticize her for being out of her depth today. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
Pelosi is a fierce politician, and that's what makes this so disappointing. It is uncontested that she has control of her caucus at this moment. Why further go on the offensive against your own Dems?
What is YOUR vision, Pelosi? How do you see this playing out? Tell us that instead of attacking freshman Dems who are using their voice.
Yea, it just seems like Pelosi is being a political realist.
Reminds me of this scene:
Even if you agree with the moves Pelosi and the moderate Dems made with the House bill...
I see no reason to speak so derisively of the Freshman 4 like this. They're part of your caucus too, Nancy.
This is about where I'm at:
Just...shameful.
How fucking dense do you have to be to not see this? I feel like everyone over the age of 50 in the Dem party needs to go. They're too stuck in the past of "bi-partisanship" and clearly stuck too far up their own asses.
Yeah for how much hand-wringing there is over "Impeachment will rile up the Trump base!!!1" (which doesn't live in reality most of the time anyways), they're going out of their way to depress the democratic voter base by rallying everyone for 2018... then doing absolutely nothing with their gains. All it's saying to 2020 voters is they will continue to be useless with anything less than the full trifecta, and even then, maybe.It's cool how Dem leadership seem to go out of their way to try to make their base as unenthusiastic as possible.
And if justice dems were the sole representatives of progressive politicians in this country (and not just a poorly-named one among many others), I'd be alarmed too.Except aside from the four who were in safe Democratic areas, Justice Dems lost every race.
Can we stick to Nancy Pelosi and the article, please?
We don't really need all this meta commentary aimed at random people who have supported Pelosi and what you think of them.
What does Nancy Pelosi have to do with spending her vitriol attacking her own party members instead of the republicans? What does this have to do with demotivating people who are seeking hope? What does this have to do with being a divisive, instead of uniting leader of the only sane party in the US? Oh, that's right, she doesn't agree with progressives and sees them as a threat to her hegemony instead of a potential future for the party.what does that have to do with the simple fact that AOC represents one district and who's following and political ideology is no where close to being representative of the swing districts that led Democrats to taking the 2018 midterms and gaining The House.
Wtf is "self-impeachment" Nancy? Seriously, what is it? Trump making a fool of himself? He's done that his entire term, and it hasn't meaningfully impeded his ability to fuck over millions of people, whether that's residents of Puerto Rico, immigrants and refugees at the border, or everyone getting fucked over by his tax cuts.
Maybe you should fucking listen to the progressives in your party once and a while.
It's the same fanclub that pushed Hillary yaas queen memes on the other place.Come on, every time Pelosi is criticized we get her fanclub talking about how great she is, and how smart she is.
"you can't criticize her for not pushing for impeachment, she knows what she's doing"
"oh, the votes aren't there for ____, what should she do? Work to get her party on the same page. She's too smart for that"
"you can't criticize Pelosi for giving trump a blank check for his concentration camps. It was all Schumer's fault"
Every fucking time
It's time for people to start realizing she's not playing some long game, and that the only fucking thing she cares about is her title.
Maybe the problem is there isn't a leader for the Democrats that will force the moderates to get in line instead of playing stupid politics with people's lives.Well the voters had a chance to vote in the plethora of Justice Democrats and Democratic Socialists in the primaries and general elections last year, and most of them fell flat on their asses in any remotely competitive districts.
Maybe the issue is her caucus is actually made of more moderate (note, moderate compared to what the far left wants, but historically far more liberal than in 2008) and doesn't actually have the representatives you think The House is filled with.