If you know that cruelty is the point, then why the hell do you think giving anyone involved in this more money, will make things better. ?
They won't be. Because liberals and conservatives don't give a fuck about darkies.
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Nancy Pelosi mocks AOC & left-wing opposition to Border funding bill: “They have their public whatever and their Twitter world”
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I don't expect all of them to be convinced. Just need a few key ones in a few key states...
But what do you do about ORR in the interim? Is your argument premised on the assumption that they were lying about being out of money?
Putting aside the fact that the crisis is of Trump's own making, the problem remains.
The argument is premised on the fact that the prisoners would not receive a penny of assistance, money or no.
They need secret recordings. Otherwise you will never see the real thing. They will only show you what they want to show you. Like I said I don't trust them.
There are resources that are not being utilized, and the reason why is because they're not places that they can cage people, because they're shelters and not concentration camps, because they're places where people could have ready access to legal aid. They're perfectly sufficient for the actual task at hand, and are only insufficient in advancing the Trump Administration's agenda of intentional cruelty.
And all of this ignores that the root of this is because they're deliberately choosing to detain people that they could easily release without problems. If you make a choice to detain a bunch of people just because and then you can't handle the influx that you created, the problem that needs to be solved isn't "how are we going to clothe and feed all these people we've needlessly locked away?"
There are valid alternatives to these camps. The camps don't exist out of necessity or because they're cheaper. They exist because of the cruelty which can then be used as a deterrence against future immigrants who decide to cross the border.
Oh believe me, I am more than willing to stipulate that the administration's barbarism is the root of the problem. But to the extent that they've created a crisis in the immigration system for unaccompanied kids, it's one that actually does have to be addressed.
...right, which is why I'm asking about ORR funding.
No need to investigate, I'm sure. Trump is responsible for his own oversight.
Exactly. The impeachment process has been used on individuals with offenses exponentially less than Trump, to great effect. Attempting to impeach Trump will undoubtedly be a homerun in comparison.
Incrementalist will try their best to convince people otherwise, but alas, I cannot see their arguments since they are most likely on my ignore list by now.
This on top of how ineffectual they've been at enforcing subpoenas and not impeaching...
Democrats are weak on purpose. They fucking roll over and even help republicans. They went back to their bullshit default mode after giving them a house majority. It doesn't matter if we give Dems majorities, if they're all corporate tools paid to throw the fight, they'll do everything to hamstring themselves before actually fixing the deep rooted issues that plague this country, and they leave the door wide open for dangerous republican fascist authority.
It's especially exasperating now that we're switching gears to fascism. Like, COME THE FUCK ON! They really haven't found some deep hidden moral conviction at this point to stop with the same old games of chasing republicans to the right. It's hard for me to not feel like we're fucked. We're so fucking fucked. Full fascism is coming.
Stepping down as Speaker isn't good enough. She needs to be the fuck out of Congress. Primary this enabler.
I can't help but believe that if Pelosi became a hardliner on something like Impeachment the Democratic coalition in the House would fall apart.
Right now its unity is literally our only governmental safeguard against an unchecked Trump.
Yes, I'm bitter about her statements, but I have to believe there's some method to the madness, cowardly as it appears.
Right now its unity is literally our only governmental safeguard against an unchecked Trump.
Yes, I'm bitter about her statements, but I have to believe there's some method to the madness, cowardly as it appears.
Just read on ProPublica and TheIntercept about border guys having secret facebook group where they posted all sorts of racists, sexist, and vile crap (like saying AOC needs to be raped when she visits, something to that effect), etc etc.
I just think that those kind of people are not exactly the ones that you can compromise with... no matter what.
Speaking of which, have the honorable Madam Speaker ever deigned to share some of her time to visit any of these detention center? This is surely a matter worth doing that, yea?
I just think that those kind of people are not exactly the ones that you can compromise with... no matter what.
Speaking of which, have the honorable Madam Speaker ever deigned to share some of her time to visit any of these detention center? This is surely a matter worth doing that, yea?
I have a hard time grasping how you think Trump is somehow "checked" right now.
I have a hard time grasping how you think a non-unified Democratic party or GOP control would lead to less power for Trump.
You conflated EPA and Planned Parenthood funding with not brutalizing, torturing and killing human beings as competing 'ideologies' that should be opposed by similar means, and that's fucking asinine.
I'm not sure you really understood my post at all.
I'm saying the Democrats should do to child jails what the GOP has been doing to do to the EPA and Planned Parenthood, because defunding an organisation is an effective way of suppressing its activity.
I have a hard time thinking how you think a "unified" democratic party is leading to less powerful Trump.
I'm not really sure what is meant by 'unified', does it mean everyone votes the same way? I think it would probably be more beneficial to have lawmakers vote for what is right, if that happens wouldn't they automatically be unified? If unified means voting to fund these kinds of services, I'd seriously question it being a good thing to strive for.
Sorry. It's just hard on everyone watch America become this...
White moderates.
This is your answer.
Unity in inefficacy. With their powers combined, Democrats form the world's finest doormat for republicans and Trump to wipe their feet on.
Then you phrased it horribly, but I agree we should immediately and completely defund ICE.
Using the term "unity" is not a great choice considering it's become one of the Dems' favorite dogwhistles for those on the left. In any case, the entire point is that their "unity" is fragile and nearly meaningless when you hold it up to the capitulations they're so regularly making now. They need to be unified in doing what's right. Not this.
If they can manage to silence the dissenting progressive freshmen nothing will stand in their way of being the largest door mat!
Wait, Pelosi really hasn't visited the camps? Holy shit.White moderates.
This is your answer.
Who should unite with whom?
Should progressives side with the leadership that enables Trump? The side doing nothing about concentration camps?
Or should leadership side with progressives? Who resist trump? Bring awareness to critical issues? And generally have the backing of the Democratic base regarding polling on policy?
Democrats can't do anything since they dont control any part of government.
Oh wait. They have the fucking house wonder why they aren't doing shit about this.
Oh man i can feel the fucking HEAT on the email the dems are going to politely send.
holy shit did the admin just shoot themselves in the foot! lol. Falling right into the trap.
Because their donors tell them what to do, not the people. Seems like the freshman progressives haven't been bought out yet.
Problem is they'll keep believing these people not operating out of good faith because of the sanctity of "bipartisanship" or whatever bullshit.
Everyone saw this result coming, yet leadership gave in weakly. Fuck the "Schumer tied our hands" bullshit, the house should have rejected it.
I hear Ted Lieu and Adam Schiff have some real zingers in their Twitter drafts! Look out, Donald!