Incoming U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has just stated today, December 22 that if Trump and the GOP will not take action to stop the government shutdown, the U.S. House in January "will swiftly pass legislation to re-open government":
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Nancy Pelosi: "The new House Democratic majority will swiftly pass legislation to re-open government in January" if shutdown is continued into January
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Ok. It would still need to pass the Senate and be signed by the President.
Good gamesmanship, I guess. Trump has essentially made this whole thing a referendum on his wall, so the Democrats are going to play chicken and see who blinks first.
Good gamesmanship, I guess. Trump has essentially made this whole thing a referendum on his wall, so the Democrats are going to play chicken and see who blinks first.
There's no incentive to pass a spending bill with wall funding. None.
Unless they get an ACA revamp, DACA, and infrastructure. Maybe.
It will pass the House and Senate with veto proof majorities so Trump has no say. The only reason why it didn't already is Ryan refuses to bring it up for a vote. But as soon as the new Congress sits Pelosi will bring up the clean spending bill and reopen the government.
I really hope this momentum where Dems just ram through good shit for the next two years keeps going.
Just really twist the knife into Trump
Just really twist the knife into Trump
The Senate already passed a CR with no wall funding. Then Trump said he wouldn't sign it (because Fox News told him not to) and the worthless toad Paul Ryan took it up in the House, with a CR with wall funding. That bill has already died in the Senate, hence the shutdown. It doesn't have the votes.
The previous CR will pass in the House and Senate with no problems, and Trump alone will have to sign it or be the only one shutting down the government. Then he'd likely be hit with a veto proof CR anyway.
I still worry that x number of dumb Americans will see this whole thing as Democrats choosing "illegal immigrants" over "real Americans who need a functioning government." But I hope x will be the normal 30%.
Where are you getting this from? How would it pass with a veto proof majority? The Republicans have no incentive to play ball.
This sounds like a prudent move, especially if they keep hollering it from the rooftops. If Trump gets wind of the fact that they can stop the shutdown without him once they take control in January, he'll have to assess whether he wants them to take credit for it, or whether he wants to pre-empt them and claim he just "defeated' the Democrats and ended the shutdown.
On the other hand, if everyone is telling him the Democrats will do this in January, but he refuses to believe them until it finally happens, this will be a hilariously grand introduction to his remaining Lame Duck Presidency. The New Year beginning with Democrats overriding a shutdown that he instigated is going to make him look weak, even if he doesn't realize it yet.
On the other hand, if everyone is telling him the Democrats will do this in January, but he refuses to believe them until it finally happens, this will be a hilariously grand introduction to his remaining Lame Duck Presidency. The New Year beginning with Democrats overriding a shutdown that he instigated is going to make him look weak, even if he doesn't realize it yet.
Why would they?
They control the House
They have no incentive to cave and it's been proven that standing up to Trump is wildly popular with voters.
The bipartisan bill overwhelmingly passed the senate and would have been veto proof in the House.
I wouldn't trust that. If the House ends up passing the Senate Bill then it puts Trump on the spot. But if Pelosi passes anything even marginally different that goes back to the Senate for a vote Mitch might not take it up on principal. McConnell is party-first in the most evil sense possible and will do anything to keep the Democrats from getting a "win."
That was a bill passed by a Republican House and approved by a Republican senate. It was only bipartisan because the Democrats wanted to appear to be reasonably cooperative and stick the eventual shutdown on Trump.
The game will change in January and the Republican Senate and the Republican minority in the House will be playing a from a different playbook. They'll want to close ranks with their President and demand funding for the "wall" because it plays well to the people who actually elect them.
And the Democrats aren't going to pass the exact same CR Bill. They're going to add or subtract things that the Senate can object to and make political hay from.
At that point, it becomes a game of political chicken.
Which Republicans will lose
The longer the shutdown lasts, the worse it is for them.
Which ever party that deliberately shuts the government down is the one that loses.
Yes they do, because Trump will be blamed if he's the reason the bill doesn't get signed. Spending bills start in the house - he can't *succesfully* blame this on them.
Then the shutdown is on Mitch. The House passed a bill and he didn't take it up? At some point they need to you know, not have the government shutdown anymore. The longest it's been shutdown is 21 days in the mid 90s.
How so? The next election is in two years and this'll be a forgotten blip by the time 2020 rolls around, plus their electorate is all about the wall. At this point, they don't have much to lose and they're going to use this to get as many concessions as they can from the Democrats.
Some of you really need to stop giving a shit about what his base thinks. Pelosi could provide a cure for cancer with this bill and they would hate it. Just a reminder but his base wasn't enough to stop them from losing 40 seats in the house. Everyone else matters and they aren't too keen on the shit that's been going down.
I've been paying attention for the last 25 years, hence the lack of magical thinking.
What's even funnier is that you're implying Republicans have a spine, when the vast majority of them are cowards.
The same party that's eating itself to appease the rich and not disturb the status quo?
People kept saying this in 2017 and 2018 and then we had the biggest Dem win in decades.
Pretty much. There's some other relevant info. Do people support shutting the government down to force funding for the wall?
Answer: NOPE.
Glad to see that you don't want Government Contractors to get paid.
There's no wall funding in the bill the Senate passed. There will be no wall funding in the bill Nancy passes.
You guys seem to think that Republicans will suddenly roll over because the Dems have the House, and they'll play along with whatever fantasy scenario you've dreamt up.
Here's the thing: the opposition has their own priorities and their own plans, and their motivations aren't the same as yours. You think that the Republicans also view this as about the shutdown and making Trump look bad, and that they'll act accordingly, but they're not going to do what you think they should do, because that's not what this is about for them once the House is seated.
You think McConnell cares that the Repubs lost 40 seats? He's seen both chambers flip back and forth numerous times over the last two decades. Hell, there was a Democratic supermajority in the Senate just ten years ago. He knows it's a divided electorate. He knows the pendulum will swing back. He knows there's a core electorate for the Repubs that's still big enough to matter. He knows he has a massive propaganda arm in Fox News that'll gear up to oppose Nancy Pelosi, just like last time. He knows Schumer is a dish rag who'll compromise on anything to get a "win".
He knows that all that matters is the power that you have right now and using that power to get what you want. As long as he's Senate majority leader, and as long as there's a Republican in the White House, he's going to exercise every option available to him to extract concessions and launch the opening salvo in the new campaign of demonizing Pelosi and the Democratic House.
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And you think McConnell refusing to take up a spending bill to stop a shutdown will hurt Pelosi and the Dems?
When her bill will sail out of the House? And the public do not want a shutdown for a policy debate?
A clean temporary spending bill already passed the Senate. Paul Ryan isn't putting it on the floor but Pelosi can. Trump would need to veto it.
Strong White Daddy Republicans always control everything, even when they don't.
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I'm certain the clean temporary spending bill that the Senate passed will be picked up by Pelosi and she will put it on the floor for a final vote, once that happens, it goes to Trump. If Trump vetoes, it can go back to Congress for a veto override and from what I understand, there's enough support for a veto override for this spending bill so once Congress overrides Trump's veto, the temporary spending bill will become law, government reopens and there's absolutely nothing Trump can do once the veto override occurs.
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Any bill sent to the President that the President vetoes, that veto can be overridden and the bill becomes law, what is required is a veto override vote that has a two-thirds majority in both chambers of Congress: https://www.senate.gov/reference/glossary_term/override_of_a_veto.htm
On ERA Dems are spineless cucks that don't deserve your support or votes because they can't get anything done while being minority they need wield powers of majority, but same time you need vote Dems so they can get majority even if they are most worthless political party ever to exist etc.
Threads about US politics on ERA give me so much whiplash because so erratic and illogical views on Democratic party.
They can override the veto. Most Republicans dont actually give a fuck about the wall, ar least in Congress. Democrats could easily extend an olive branch on something they do care about.
A lot of progressive young people grew up in the shadow of Fox News and conservative parents. They've internalized the rhetoric about Democrats.
This is going to be soooooo much fun having to see Trump deal with Nancy and the House majority
quiet lib-scum!
quiet lib-scum!
Some of you can spin any situation as a loss for the dems. They're perpetually fucked.
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