POWER MOVE
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Multiple purpose
1) Response to GOP complaints about process "moving too fast"
2) Prevents Trump's 'acquittal' by sham trial
3) Gives House opportunity to introduce FURTHER articles of impeachment
4) Let the 'disease' fester
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Nancy Pelosi won’t send the articles of impeachment to the Senate until she feels they’ll get a fair hearing.
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POWER MOVE
Edit:
Multiple purpose
1) Response to GOP complaints about process "moving too fast"
2) Prevents Trump's 'acquittal' by sham trial
3) Gives House opportunity to introduce FURTHER articles of impeachment
4) Let the 'disease' fester
Smart play, wasn't going to go anywhere anyway with McConnell there. Now let's see if it pays off
Smart. And they can just keep the investigations going all 2020. Lol.
Yep. And he can't run on being acquitted. Lmao. Just being impeached.
I mean, he'll run on being acquitted anyways. It makes zero difference to Trump's rhetoric.
Does this mean that if we win the Senate next year but lose the Presidency, then we can remove him from office?
Exactly
He can never claim to be acquitted.
I am not used to democrats making excellent power plays. I am so happy.
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She knows. But the demand is so plain, simple and fair, that even uninformed people will smell something is up if the GOP don't accept the condition.
What type of Trial doesn't call witnesses?
This article is super misleading. The only impression she gave was she needed to discuss it with the group to decide how to proceed. Unless something new came out last 2 hours.
I'm honestly tired of these narratives. It doesn't matter what he thinks anymore or says. He can assert what ever he wants he's a chronic liar. This is Pelosi asserting her powers in the house.
They want all the blocked documents and witnesses that they never got in the House investigation.
Hm that's a good point. Then we're just stuck with Pence for 4 years though. Not even sure if that's a favorable outcome.
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Exactly. This is ACTUALLY 3D chess. Republicans keep claiming Dems sped through the process unfairly. Ok sure let's slow it down allll the way. Now they have to flipflop to "give me the fucking articles please so we can get this over with"
Exactly. This is ACTUALLY 3D chess. Republicans keep claiming Dems sped through the process unfairly. Ok sure let's slow it down allll the way. Now they have to flipflop to "give me the fucking articles please so we can get this over with"
Turtle wanted to keep the trial to disrupt the Dem primaries by holding some of the candidates up in the Senate. It's smart to rob him of that.
Or just right before the election, if that's how republicans want to play it.
Pretty much. McConnel and other Repubs have shown that they have no desire to prolong this and would move to shut down everything once the process reaches them. By denying them that, they prolong impeachment as a political and news issue into the next election. If Repubs aren't going to be fair then they are not going to get the opportunity to be pulled into the process of Trump's judgement.
I now understand how the GOP felt when they refused to consider Garland.
Not even gonna lie, feels good to be on the other side for once.
That's a nice thought, however
A) you still need 67 senators to remove a president and
B) if we win the Senate, we're 99% also winning the Presidency at that point so this is moot anyways.
That won't play well to anyone not in the die hard supporter category.
Graham and McConnell were too craven in showing support for not giving a fair trial.
It's not unreasonable to demand basic things like *checks notes* witnesses testimony before commencing an actual trial.
In theory, if such a thing as an independent or undecided voter exists, watching republicans deny something as basic as that every day until an election is helpful.
In theory, if such a thing as an independent or undecided voter exists, watching republicans deny something as basic as that every day until an election is helpful.
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"If you're innocent, then a fair trial will also show that. Let us call these witnesses so you can prove your innocence."
I mean, will ANY of this situation be acceptable except for the die hard supporter? They admitted on live TV they had no intentions of a fair trial, trump supporters don't care.
Trump's 42% will continue to be 42% all the way until Election Day no matter what he says or does - with the sole exception of him doing something that directly affects the paychecks of a lot of Americans like the January shutdown. That was the only time his 42% really dipped hard and he had to completely reverse course to save his poll numbers.
If the economy goes bad or he does something as devastating to hundreds of thousands of American paychecks like the shutdown, he will lose support. This is literally the only thing that will lead to him losing support. He really could just shoot strangers or enemies on 5th avenue and his base will keep being his base. That base only gets shaved when personal pocketbooks are hit.
That same base is what protects Trump in Congress. Republicans in both the House and Senate have tied themselves to Trump because to turn away from Trump would be politically devastating to them - their base is more loyal with Trump now than with Republicans, so Republicans have to overlap with Trump as much as possible to benefit. If that effect ever diminishes, only then will be see Republicans "getting courageous" when it comes to supporting post-impeachment removal.
If the economy goes bad or he does something as devastating to hundreds of thousands of American paychecks like the shutdown, he will lose support. This is literally the only thing that will lead to him losing support. He really could just shoot strangers or enemies on 5th avenue and his base will keep being his base. That base only gets shaved when personal pocketbooks are hit.
That same base is what protects Trump in Congress. Republicans in both the House and Senate have tied themselves to Trump because to turn away from Trump would be politically devastating to them - their base is more loyal with Trump now than with Republicans, so Republicans have to overlap with Trump as much as possible to benefit. If that effect ever diminishes, only then will be see Republicans "getting courageous" when it comes to supporting post-impeachment removal.
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