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Nancy Pelosi won’t send the articles of impeachment to the Senate until she feels they’ll get a fair hearing.
- Thread starter Exellus
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I fully agree with this strategy Pelosi announced.
The strategy announced way in advance by McConnell and Graham of working fully with the White House, when it was first announced, I thought "This is a major fuckup, both are admitting the trial will not be fair and impartial which is unconstitutional to me because all trials must be fair and impartial. This strategy will backfire." And here we are, Pelosi wants the Senate trial to be fair and impartial and rightfully so. Since she has the power to do so, she has exercised her power to withhold the Articles of Impeachment from the Senate until she can be fully comfortable that the Senate trial will be fair and impartial.
I hope Pelosi stands firm on this and keeps up demand for the Senate trial to be fair and impartial.
The strategy announced way in advance by McConnell and Graham of working fully with the White House, when it was first announced, I thought "This is a major fuckup, both are admitting the trial will not be fair and impartial which is unconstitutional to me because all trials must be fair and impartial. This strategy will backfire." And here we are, Pelosi wants the Senate trial to be fair and impartial and rightfully so. Since she has the power to do so, she has exercised her power to withhold the Articles of Impeachment from the Senate until she can be fully comfortable that the Senate trial will be fair and impartial.
I hope Pelosi stands firm on this and keeps up demand for the Senate trial to be fair and impartial.
Yep. Not the senate or scotus or president can touch this and any move would be slapped down as an over reach of powers against an equal branch.
Wouldn't the Senate just toss it aside once they receive it anyway, or are they forced to acknowledge it in some capacity? I guess I'm not clear on the benefit that holding on to it accomplishes. Wouldn't the Senate prefer they never touch it to begin with?
Constitutionally, the Senate is required to conduct a trial to convict or acquit.
It's clear you don't understand that DJT has already been impeached.
Credit where due, this is excellent.
I hope there's zero rush to negotiate and instead efforts are tripled on further investigation to toss onto this shit pile.
I hope there's zero rush to negotiate and instead efforts are tripled on further investigation to toss onto this shit pile.
McConnell and Graham totally fucked up by announcing their strategy very early of being in complete cooperation with the White House.
Yep, in their effort to please daddy they fucked up.
Yep this x 100.
is she doing this in case he gets reelected and maybe hopefully theres a dem majority in the Senate by then to impeach his ass?
They would need 2/3 of the Senate to do this, so it's impossible.
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There's no scenario where a Dem majority would also equal a Trump reelection. He's not nearly popular enough with progressive & independent voters for that sort of scenario to play out.
Yep, they did. It was an unforced error and Pelosi is capitalizing on it.
Which is odd for Mitch.
As much as I hate the stunted slimeball, he's good at playing the Washington game (now I'm going to choke back the vomit for having to give that wretched piece of shit a compliment).
Usually don't see him make a gaff like this (and I'm loving every minute of it).
I blame Fox. Everyone has to go on there eventually and kiss the ring. Even Gorsuch was on this week complaining about liberals.
The Fox & Friends crowd ain't trying to hear no nonsense about fair trials and exculpatory evidence and bipartisanship, those blurbs are for the NYT.
I'm so goddamn sick of that turtle cockblocking any bill so it's nice to see him getting a taste of his own medicine.
And fuck Lindsey "Huckleberry Hound" Graham too.
And fuck Lindsey "Huckleberry Hound" Graham too.
I find this infuriating, not because Graham is being Graham but because he said he is going to make his decision based on the "trial record established in the house". There is no fucking trial record because that is what happens in the Senate
Constitutionally the senate is required to vote on Supreme Court justices too.
I wouldn't trust Graham to stay recused after the way he's debased himself.
I like to believe that prolonged exposure to Donald has degraded his and every other Republicans' intelligence.
The trial doesn't take place before the judiciary committee so does he actually have any individual power? I understand the majority can do whatever they want and any Senator can force a vote on any decision (ie calling witnesses), but I mean him individually? The presiding officer is Roberts
I guess my question is, what difference would it make if he recused himself? What would that even entail here?
With this move likely being a good tool to tie up Bernie and Warren, could they maybe use technology to campaign and hold rallies. It'll be impersonal, and a bit awkward at first, but what's the difference. They get to be at many places at once while taking care of their obligations in D.C.. If it works out, it could probably be used a lot more.
Yes unfortunately I feel this way as well :(. As of right now I'm treating the whole thing as neutral, I haven't seen it really impact trumps polling numbers positively or negatively. Just hoping whoever comes out of the primary can hold their own and put together a great campaign.
Good.
When you got Lindsey Graham saying he won't be an impartial juror and McConnell saying he's already coordinating a defense/acquittal strategy with the White House, there is no fair trial possible.
Let it hang there until a new Senate is seated or Trump leaves office due to term limits or election loss.
Pelosi should ban Trump from the SotU as long as she's Speaker.
When you got Lindsey Graham saying he won't be an impartial juror and McConnell saying he's already coordinating a defense/acquittal strategy with the White House, there is no fair trial possible.
Let it hang there until a new Senate is seated or Trump leaves office due to term limits or election loss.
Pelosi should ban Trump from the SotU as long as she's Speaker.
Nancy Pelosi is the target of a lot of unwarranted flack and personal evisceration she really doesn't deserve here pretty regularly.
She certainly isn't without her faults but she constantly shows herself to be a shrewd and intelligent political foil to house Republicans, senate Republicans and Trump.
Hope she holds onto the articles of Impeachment indefinitely.
She certainly isn't without her faults but she constantly shows herself to be a shrewd and intelligent political foil to house Republicans, senate Republicans and Trump.
Hope she holds onto the articles of Impeachment indefinitely.
Do the right thing, worry about the public later
That's basically the definition of leadership. Accusing politicians of triangulating their decisions based on public opinion was an insult not long ago
No, she's doing this so Mcconell isnt able to quickly brush away the impeachment with a quick senate acquittal. He's already been impeached and theres no scenario where dems score a 67 Senate majority in 2020 let alone one where they do that and lose the presidency.
With the decision in Pelosi's hands, the trial hangs over Trumps head till Pelosi pulls the trigger. Preventing him from claiming exoneration and enacting new blatant schemes to rig the 2020 election unless he wants them added to the articles of impeachment and his senate trial.
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That makes sense I guess, but right now it seems like the top priority by far is winning 2020.
Amazing. So they can say to the republicans "What's the rush?! The clock and the calendar huh."
This put a smile on my face.
News just put a smile on my face.
What is this? What is happening?
News just put a smile on my face.
What is this? What is happening?
There you go, Trump wants witnesses, so Pelosi should continue to hold out until the Senate allows for due process and a full trial including the calling of witnesses.
Such a joke!!!! There were lawyers and witnesses during the proceedings in the House, not as many witnesses because YOU ordered them to illegally disregard a subpoena.
Yep, Trump wants witnesses in the Senate trial because of course, he's in cahoots with Graham and McConnell.
I love that the house is flexing power showing it is an equal branch of the government. About fucking time.
Then the impeachment didn't happen.
Let it die in the senate, what's the problem?
How with tons of information available about the process, do you draw that conclusion?
The impeachment has already happened. It's forever in history now. The Senate has openly declared that they will hold a sham trial. She is holding things up to use whatever levers she has to help force a legit trial.
What are you even talking about.
lol ok. The operative thing here is the impeachment vote. Which has occurred and Trump has been charged. Just because it hasn't been delivered to the Senate doesn't mean the vote didn't happen.
It's an absurd argument. It's no surprise that the twitter thread is filled with MAGAs acting like they owned her lmao.
Not sending to senate is equivalent of dropping the case so it's not an absurd argument.
Republicans are never going to remove him so the logic of holding back is weird.