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Nancy Pelosi won’t send the articles of impeachment to the Senate until she feels they’ll get a fair hearing.
- Thread starter Exellus
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It's OK to think that but the data we have right now doesn't really support it. He certainly wasn't doing worse in state polling prior to the impeachment push.
What? That is exactly what the plan is, then. Her wanting to get assurances as much as possible that the Senate will work within reasonable rules. Did we miss some senators openly stating they want this to be a sham and they have no intentions to be impartial and fair jurors?
Just pointing out the obvious. This very well could be a case where the media has built up a fervor over nothing and everything shes said so far supports that.
To make the country aware that Senate Republicans have publicly stated that they don't intend on giving an actual trial, and instead say they will defend Trump no matter what.
The Republicans are flat out saying, we are not going to participate as a fair jury. We are acquitting Trump no matter what. We will act as Trump's defendants.
Why the fuck should she just hand over the articles of impeachment to them when it's CLEAR they have zero intentions of properly conducting a trial?
Republicans stole a fucking Supreme Court Justice from Obama by refusing to hear his nominee, and then waited until Trump was elected to put in who they wanted.
They can get FUCKED. I hope Pelosi drags this out and fucks with him until the end of Trump's presidency. They can seriously eat shit.
More like she finally listened to the people in her ear this time.
Would you try a case where no witnesses are allowed?
Would you try a case where without the recusal of a juror that literally said they have no intentions of being a fair juror?
It's that simple. No actual moderate or independent can answer in the positive to either question. You can debate how many such people exist are but they are vital in tilting the needle during elections.
It's not about what his base or supporters think or unthink. They are reactionary contrarians that understand this is their final chance to entrench white male supremacy before their regressive asses are literally bred out of existence. This isn't about them and never has been.
The creamy nougat of independent swing voters that made up tiny margins that shitbag won with are vital and because they are not literally republicans, they can be reasoned with. Defaulting to them being too stupid or unwilling to understand this situation is calling them republicans, which is they categorically aren't.
It will take time but the messaging is crystal clear.
Would you try a case where without the recusal of a juror that literally said they have no intentions of being a fair juror?
It's that simple. No actual moderate or independent can answer in the positive to either question. You can debate how many such people exist are but they are vital in tilting the needle during elections.
It's not about what his base or supporters think or unthink. They are reactionary contrarians that understand this is their final chance to entrench white male supremacy before their regressive asses are literally bred out of existence. This isn't about them and never has been.
The creamy nougat of independent swing voters that made up tiny margins that shitbag won with are vital and because they are not literally republicans, they can be reasoned with. Defaulting to them being too stupid or unwilling to understand this situation is calling them republicans, which is they categorically aren't.
It will take time but the messaging is crystal clear.
It's a smart, strong play for at least the short term for sure, with GOP Senate leadership flaunting how little they respect both the process and the Democrats ability to control the narrative against their bullshit. Hopefully it holds, just innuendo for now. Don't care if it gets ugly since the facts aren't going away and a fair trial is all they're asking for to proceed.
the way some people on Era talk about this guy, you'd think he was some unstoppable reality warper
No one ever thinks about this, including the media. It's all a rush to go after the most deplorable pieces of shits, get them on camera, and have them spew nonsense. Then they project that nonsense onto the "average" american and how the country will revolt against impeachment, so they can further concern troll.
I think people like this think they come off as smart, but in reality they're myopic idiots. There's literally tens of millions of Americans who don't get considered here who would be just as mad if impeachment didn't happen that could've cost us major down the line. Not to mention Trump having free reign to continue his crimes. We saw how quickly he moved on Ukraine after Mueller testified.
Impeachment isn't a dangerous game. Not impeaching was always the most dangerous game, short term and especially in the intermediate and long term.
Yeah, this is so obviously a great move that I feel the only people that can't see that are the "Teflon Trump" people that somehow think everything benefits him despite data and anything else saying otherwise.
Best case scenario:
Pelosi doesn't send the articles
Election time, Trump loses
Pelosi sends the articles
The entire Senate removes Trump in November because they got nothing to lose at that point
Pelosi doesn't send the articles
Election time, Trump loses
Pelosi sends the articles
The entire Senate removes Trump in November because they got nothing to lose at that point
I'm still not entirely convinced the past 4 years have been real.
You lack perspective. Your cynicism and smarminess aren't doing you any favors either.
Seriously, it's hard to think of a single topic on negative Trump news where this Galaxy Brain thinking doesn't apply.
"Hey they just announced Trump croaked"
"... What you don't understand is how much the sympathy vote is going to help get his corpse re-elected in 2020."
Lmao that he like an .01 percent chance of happening.
Republicans are the party of Trump now. Have you followed any of the impeachment proceedings? They have gone full on fascist and will protect Dear Leader no matter what.
They'll stop protecting Trump the moment it's no longer politically convenient for them to do so. Him losing the election would be an indication of that.
But yes, it's unlikely to happen.
Alternatively you could just let him be president crimes and do nothing and he can proclaim loudly that dems never tried impeaching him.
Me, a learned scholar: Surely this, too, will help Trump, because everything does without fail, of course.
There is no such thing as being politically uncouth in the age of Trump.
The Republican base revels in them acting horribly.
Love it. Send the articles on November 4th, remove him on November 5th, indict him on November 6th.
And they're already backtracking from their "we want a lengthy trial" nonsense.
Beyond obvious they were trying to bait Dems, who absolutely would love a thorough and informational trial. Maybe some of them are realizing the Lucy and football analogy.
Nice play.
No way for him to say he was innocent and news tickers can call him as being impeached.
No way for him to say he was innocent and news tickers can call him as being impeached.
A lengthy trial would be a net positive for the world because Mitch wouldn't be able to push through justices while impeachment is happening even if it comes at the cost of Warren and Sanders not being able to push the stump in their election campaigns.
That's probably not directly related though and has more to do with Mitch McConnell not letting a vote on the USMCA trade deal happen until impeachment is over in the Senate, specifically to try and get Trump to favor a short trial, which is what Mitch wants and why he's delaying the vote until then as leverage over Trump to get him on board his preferred strategy.
White House to GOP Congress: "Ok kids, complete this sentence on your worksheet for your grade today."
Very creepy seeing users try to perpetuate right wing talking point here.
Given that the WH is already freaking out about this, seems like it was a decent bluff.
At the very least, they should get it in writing that the Senate is going to have a formal trial with *at least* the ability to speak to the same witnesses as the House trial. Just publicly state that they can't expect everyone to vote for removal, but they can expect everyone to listen to testimony because it's their jobs. Mitch and LIndsey trying to go all constitutional scholar this week after having nothing but jokes the last two weeks is prettyreich rich.
At the very least, they should get it in writing that the Senate is going to have a formal trial with *at least* the ability to speak to the same witnesses as the House trial. Just publicly state that they can't expect everyone to vote for removal, but they can expect everyone to listen to testimony because it's their jobs. Mitch and LIndsey trying to go all constitutional scholar this week after having nothing but jokes the last two weeks is pretty
More confirmation that this is less about Trump wanting to be cleared and more about Trump wanting all of these GOP Senators to prostrate themselves publicly to show loyalty to him.
I have to say, his Authoritarian instincts are pretty on the nose.
I think this is the heart of people's hesitation to these kinds of tactics. I think there are still a lot of people on the left that have tried to maintain a semblance of morality throughout these proceedings. GOP have left little recourse other than to play their game, and I think for some that's a new feeling. I am coming around to it after seeing then squirm.
I don't get it, I thought they all wanted a fast trial. Pelosi because of the primary. Trump and McConnell because they don't want a real trial. This why I said that Pelosi isn't in a position of strength.
From what I understand now it's a lot more complicated. If she's ready to wait longer it changes everything.
From what I understand now it's a lot more complicated. If she's ready to wait longer it changes everything.
They wanted him impeached. The senate won't do anything past that.
Not from the US but how would that work? Would the democrats take control of the Senate immediately after the election? And would that mean Pence takes over for the remaining months of Trump's term?
Thank you I get it now, I thought the two were linked.
Now I'm more optimistic.
Newly elected members of Congress get sworn in the same day the President-Elect does, January 20th.
So there is about a 2.5 month period in between the election results and the actual claiming of the seats.