Naruto's peace and love ending was ill conceived.

John Doe

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Full disclosure: I have watched very little of Boruto so if some things I say no longer apply, feel free to correct me. Or if I'm just wrong in general

So in Naruto, Naruto the character is the child of prophecy who will bring peace to the Ninja world. My only problem with this, is that peace in Naruto is different to peace in Dragon Ball. In Dragon Ball, very few characters (compared to the World population) are capable of fighting at a high level and the enemies weren't nation states but individuals.

In Naruto now, the basis of their economic system was the ninja system. Villages would take on missions for a price and carry them out. Konoha's own schooling system almost represents a military academy. The enemies range from individuals to other villages. There are thousands of ninjas all over the world.

Yet, Naruto is able to achieve world peace after a short period of time? The War arc sees all of the villages, who had been fighting each other at various points for 50+ years, combine into one army to combat Obito's Edo Tensei army. Fair enough, its a common trope for former enemies to become allies to combat a common enemy.

But after the War, everyone is still at peace? As seen by the last chapter where Ten Ten laments that she can't sell any weapons. Yet, Konoha has somehow advanced and become a much more modern village?

What replaced the Ninja system when it came to making money?

TL;DR
The Naruto world is too large and filled with too many potential enemies for there to ever be an eternal everlasting peace or cooperation between the major villages.
 

SatoAilDarko

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TL;DR
The Naruto world is too large and filled with too many potential enemies for there to ever be an eternal everlasting peace or cooperation between the major villages.
I got the opposite feeling. That what we were shown of the world was surprisingly small. It was only five villages and we never got a great picture of what was outside them. The whole Daimyo thing felt weird if the Hidden Leaf established itself independently only a few generations ago (probably less than a century).
 

PR_rambo

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Naruto's ending in general was ill conceived. The plot, the fights, the pairings, and epilogue is garbage for the most part.
 

PhantomKnight

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But after the War, everyone is still at peace? As seen by the last chapter where Ten Ten laments that she can't sell any weapons. Yet, Konoha has somehow advanced and become a much more modern village?
Sure weapons aren't selling during peace time but Konoha can still get money else were, and they invested in a science division who are making the village more modern.

What replaced the Ninja system when it came to making money?
Ninja system is still there, but they are more small scale, missions these days can be escorting a VIP, security, or delivering, it can even be to find a lost cat or ostrich.

The Naruto world is too large and filled with too many potential enemies for there to ever be an eternal everlasting peace or cooperation between the major villages.
In Boruto there are still threats to the ninja world, even after Naruto there was still a posing threat from the Otsusuki clan.
 
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John Doe

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I got the opposite feeling. That what we were shown of the world was surprisingly small. It was only five villages and we never got a great picture of what was outside them. The whole Daimyo thing felt weird if the Hidden Leaf established itself independently only a few generations ago (probably less than a century).
I thought the villages were pretty much the entirety of Naruto, beyond the samurais has the world been expanded beyond the villages?

Sure weapons aren't selling during peace time but Konoha can still get money else were, and they invested in a science division who are making the village more modern.


Ninja system is still there, but they are more small scale, missions these days can be escorting a VIP, security, or delivering, it can even be to find a lost cat or ostrich.


In Boruto there are still threats to the ninja world, even after Naruto there was still a posing threat from the Otsusuki clan.
Small scale missions and a science division are fair points.

I haven't seen much of Boruto, is that Kaguya's family? The last name seems familiar.
 

Aaronrules380

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Oct 25, 2017
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Naruto was honestly always kind of shitty at world building, which is a shame because it had a lot of potential at the start to make a really interesting world.
 

Aaronrules380

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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't think it was always shitty at world building. It started off pretty good, and then went downhill mostly in shippuden.
It had a cool base concept for a world, but never really explored it at all, even if we just laser in on the other ninja villages they weren't well fleshed out, and that's ignoring that those were supposedly a very small part of a much greater world in the first place. The world building of Naruto pretty much peaked at the Zabuza arc.
 

Dekim

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Oct 28, 2017
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Naruto and company still let Orochimaru operate openly after all that he did. The excuse is that he's "monitored" but the man is a legendary Sannin and former Hokage candidate. It would not take TOO much effort on Orochimaru's part to circumvent any sort of monitoring/security the Hidden Leaf village have on him. Naurto and his pals should be well aware of this. Yet they let a SSS ranked criminal, who can easily start another conflict, live with no real reason why he should.
 

Eylos

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Naruto was honestly always kind of shitty at world building, which is a shame because it had a lot of potential at the start to make a really interesting world.
yeah i remember the first arc the zabuza plot, it had cool and deep discussions, it dropped all of that to be a normal shounen manga.
 
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Just because the nations aren’t at war doesn’t mean that there’s no more fighting. There’s still individuals that will cause trouble, criminals, bandits, rogue ninjas. Plus there’s the looming threat of the Otsutsuki clan. Ninjas are also paid to do other tasks that involve their skills but don’t require fighting. A lot of this is explained in Naruto, not Boruto.

A big theme in Boruto right now though, is that they’ve been developing new technologies so they don’t need to rely on ninjas as much as before. Plus the ninja villages have never been 100% comprised of ninja. There are lots of normal people living there doing normal people things so it’s not as if their economy suddenly will collapse just because ninja are needed less than they were before.
 

Ogodei

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Oct 25, 2017
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I do think it was an overly-idealistic ending. Naruto leaned too heavily into the cycle-of-hatred as the source of all conflict but that really doesn't match to why conflict happens in the real world. It's usually about greed and ambition, and hate becomes self-fulfilling rather than about a possibly-justifiable vendetta. Until you got all the way up to Kaguya and Black Zetsu, everyone who was evil was evil because they were victimized by the system (except for Hidan who was just a religious nut). Even Orochimaru was orphaned by war.

I always stan for One Piece in these kinds of threads but this is another case where OP has a better grasp of it while still holding an overall optimistic view of human nature.
 

ArgyleReptile

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Oct 25, 2017
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If Sasuke really felt bad he would have voluntarily spent time in prison to atone for what he did. But nah, I guess travelling the world is good enough.
 

BaconHat

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There's a lot in Naruto that was half baked in it's conception, story wise.

Yes but there are in-story reasons. Namely that Sasuke helped save the world and Naruto omitted the part where he planned to kill the Kages afterwards and Sasuke's mentor becoming Hokkage immediately afterwards followed by Naruto who erased records of Sasuke's past misdeeds.
I'm not sure pure nepotism from the main cast is that much different than plot armor.
 

PhantomKnight

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Naruto and company still let Orochimaru operate openly after all that he did. The excuse is that he's "monitored" but the man is a legendary Sannin and former Hokage candidate. It would not take TOO much effort on Orochimaru's part to circumvent any sort of monitoring/security the Hidden Leaf village have on him. Naurto and his pals should be well aware of this. Yet they let a SSS ranked criminal, who can easily start another conflict, live with no real reason why he should.
Orochimaru is still around because his research is required for if the Otsusuki clan attacks.
 

icyflamez96

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If Sasuke really felt bad he would have voluntarily spent time in prison to atone for what he did. But nah, I guess travelling the world is good enough.
He did. And also it really is, as he is actually doing a service lol. It's not like he's been just hangin out and chillin with his family. Also whether or not he feels bad is sort of irrelevant to the point of it actually being a good/bad idea to keep him locked up when he's the world's biggest asset for protection at this point.

Oro is the actual egregious one imo.
 

brinstar

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Oct 25, 2017
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In Boruto it's established they aren't graduating as many ninja through the academy because there isn't as much of a need for shinobi. That said they still take on jobs like security and finding things and there's been storylines where disgruntled shinobi try to stir up shit to make things like they were before.
 

BasilZero

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You need to watch more of Boruto

It proves peace is not possible, at least permanent peace

The last anime arc is a good example of it and what happens to a village after it went through a huge change that affected capabilities of the ninja world and how science in the end turned out for the worst kinda like the real life creation of nuclear technology irl
 

Wes D. Mess

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Aug 11, 2018
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The whole quest for world peace should have never been implemented in the first place.

Its just best to not think about how Naruto ended. Its kinda like LOST's ending. It's all about the feels, thinking too hard about various plot lines ruins it.
 

Mewshuji

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Nov 11, 2017
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Until you got all the way up to Kaguya and Black Zetsu, everyone who was evil was evil because they were victimized by the system (except for Hidan who was just a religious nut). Even Orochimaru was orphaned by war.
The anime even made Kaguya a victim of the pre-ninja system- her whole goal was to bring peace to a constantly warring Earth (and also to protect it from other more violent Otsutsuki members). Then when she got kidnapped and had to use her chakra powers to free herself, she got betrayed by her own husband who feared that his rivals knowing of her power would lead to more war. Which lead to her casting Tsukuyomi on everyone until her kids got old enough to challenge her.
 

diakyu

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Dec 15, 2018
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Boruto addresses this from time to time, especially the anime. They even sometimes slightly discuss the fact that peace time can lead to being unprepared in certain instances.
 

Angry Grimace

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Oct 25, 2017
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They made a sequel which makes no sense because Naruto was literally the strongest person in existence several powerups prior to the last powerup he got.
 

Chrno

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Oct 25, 2017
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the answer to a lot of different issues with the world post-war is actually pretty simple.

$$$
 

rAndom

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It's a Shounen series meant for the youth. Of course it will always ends in peace, one way or another.
 
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I believe everything from the Zabuza arc was written in a haste, getting worse and worse, because the writer didn't actually believe in its success...
 

Necromanti

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Orochimaru is still around because his research is required for if the Otsusuki clan attacks.
I'm actually surprised Konoha hasn't gone this route yet and officially worked with him to conduct joint research rather than him having his secret projects once more. Minus the capturing the thousands of people, performing vivisections on them, and so on, of course.

 
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NewErakid

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Full disclosure: I have watched very little of Boruto so if some things I say no longer apply, feel free to correct me. Or if I'm just wrong in general

So in Naruto, Naruto the character is the child of prophecy who will bring peace to the Ninja world. My only problem with this, is that peace in Naruto is different to peace in Dragon Ball. In Dragon Ball, very few characters (compared to the World population) are capable of fighting at a high level and the enemies weren't nation states but individuals.

In Naruto now, the basis of their economic system was the ninja system. Villages would take on missions for a price and carry them out. Konoha's own schooling system almost represents a military academy. The enemies range from individuals to other villages. There are thousands of ninjas all over the world.

Yet, Naruto is able to achieve world peace after a short period of time? The War arc sees all of the villages, who had been fighting each other at various points for 50+ years, combine into one army to combat Obito's Edo Tensei army. Fair enough, its a common trope for former enemies to become allies to combat a common enemy.

But after the War, everyone is still at peace? As seen by the last chapter where Ten Ten laments that she can't sell any weapons. Yet, Konoha has somehow advanced and become a much more modern village?

What replaced the Ninja system when it came to making money?

TL;DR
The Naruto world is too large and filled with too many potential enemies for there to ever be an eternal everlasting peace or cooperation between the major villages.
Everyone is still at peace because Naruto works with the other leaders to keep relations peaceful there is still conflict obviously just not any large scale wars and as for the money issue it's addressed in the anime that the ninja schools now give a general education and students are required to pass them to graduate. Basically, the villages have begun to modernize and move their economies away from mercenary work.