Besides wolfenstein games and indiana jones movies, I don't feel like nazis as antagonists have been overused in the past 30 years..
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"Nazis as the bad guys in videogames? How is that controversial?"
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There's an ironic twist for the Spencer brigade. Nazis as villains in media had become passe by the late 2000s. Those assholes made thrashing Nazis vogue again.
Yeah, ordinary Germans in nazi uniforms, sieg heiling and killing all non-nazis.
Bit impossible to tell when you're fighting them.
Guy dies before his moment to defect? Guess that's just bad luck eh?
My mistake, I should just peacefully protest them, if they kill me that's just bad luck I guess. Either way it is totally worth the gamble. Why am I not surprised to see you here defending this non-sense?
Try to debate them and find a middle ground while they try to exterminate you I guess ?
Give this man a GOTY
And, what? "Opposing nazis is discomforting"? Just... what?
It feels like one of those issues where it only comes up because there is some "unspoken" internal admission that yes, they do sympathize with nazis and white supremacy, but they know it's some real bullshit and still can't give up that bullshit or admit it - so they just whine and throw in those random words some people was quoting pages ago. It's clear the game is about nazi, not supporters of stuff; only a (secret) nazi who identified with them could object.
(Just like in my country, some people love to say "anti-fascism is obsolete, fascism is obsolete, we're done with those terms", which is scary bullshit to say when REAL nazis are still around)
(Just like in my country, some people love to say "anti-fascism is obsolete, fascism is obsolete, we're done with those terms", which is scary bullshit to say when REAL nazis are still around)
I am curious about how this whole new discussion about nazis in games is going to infect the sales of the new Wolfenstein game. The series was always about killing nazis and no one ever cared about it until Trump, Le Pen, Brexit, AfD, ... appeared. I can't wait to play the games, but I am busy with The Evil Within 2 and Super Mario Odyssey right now - so the nazi killing has to wait a couple of weeks.
Only thing better than nazis as enemies are aliens. Hell, now I want to see invading alien Nazis and we fight them
Like, the aliens picked up a Hitler broadcast and worshipped him.
And we shoot them.
Like, the aliens picked up a Hitler broadcast and worshipped him.
And we shoot them.
Killzone and Resistance FPS franchises are both basically this in their own ways.
Given our previous exchanges, my first instinct is to believe that you're actually in serious about the statements you make especially when it comes to politically charged topics.
I have a very hard time discerning what's a joke and what's not, come on it's an honest mistake given the times and all.
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Not to go offtopic, but mind telling what country that is?
Even if it's a joke I'd like to address that. You are drafted by force, sure. You pick up a weapon and are told where to shoot. At this point, your actual convictions do not matter any more. You are on the side of fascism. Welcome to war. I'd advice to read some Erich Maria Remarque to get some clue about the young Germans in WW2. In the game though it's made simpler for you. It's a work of fiction that portrays all of the Nazis as purely evil which should make the whole moral dilemma easier (which really should not be there in the first place).
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They should make a DLC campaign Where BJ travels to present day and takes on modern day neo-nazis. Just for the hell of it.
It's perfectly in line with what some white Europeans seem to think.
I don't think there's any real controversy. It's a small number of people actually complaining about Nazis as an enemy and then everyone making a big deal about those few shitheads. There is nothing wrong with calling those people out (as a matter of fact we should), but in doing so I think we make it out as if there are a lot more people who have an issue killing Nazis than there actually are. I am confident that the vast majority of people aren't offended by Nazis as enemies. We've been killing them in video games for years with no problem and we will continue to for years to come.
Oh, it's Italy. We have a strange relationship with our fascist past, definitely some things stayed - some bureaucratic stuff not dangerous by itself, some monuments and buildings - and being a fascist is definitely a thing in some communities even though it's illegal. On the other side, anti-fascism is celebrated, few partisans are still alive, it's still the core of our democracy. It's just that people is dumb af.
I might not have anything shocking or new to add to the conversation that hasn't already been said, but...
DAMN does it feel satisfying to kill Nazis again in a game that is unabashed in its intent. I applaud Machine Games and Bethesda (and Pete Hines) for sticking by the messaging and not giving in.
DAMN does it feel satisfying to kill Nazis again in a game that is unabashed in its intent. I applaud Machine Games and Bethesda (and Pete Hines) for sticking by the messaging and not giving in.
This point has been debated through-out this thread, you should glance through some of the pages. People are outraged (just look at any major social media platform) and I am not even surprised as the message of the advertisement campaign doubles as a commentary on the current political climate.
Exactly, this is much more than a marketing campaign and it should celebrated. So far I've only seen smaller indie studios lash out against bigotry, it is refreshing to see a major publisher along with a AAA studio take a firm stand against fascism.
Wow I didn't know that, just looked it up. This and the tidbit about nazis hiding in Latin America make me upset :/
"Push for communism"? I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask for the receipts on that.
I dont think you totally grasp the issue.
It's not the Nazi killing that is garnering the controversy. It's that people feel like this iteration of the Nazi killing game and its marketing falsely associates "well wishing" people with Nazism purely because of their political affiliation. This is all despite the fact that their movement closely aligns with Nazi ideology (and was coined by a Nazi).
It's a bigger issue than you suggest, because their movement is pretty large and has gained tons of political power, all over the world, in recent years.
Skyrim addressed far-right nationalism in a pretty nuanced and interesting way.
Strangely enough I used to enjoy games you could play on both sides on. Aces over Europe and Aces over the Pacific let you fly Luftwaffe and Japanese historic planes and conduct missions against the allies just as you could fly US or British planes/missions. It was fun to play both sides of history. It isn't as easy to do in FPS games I suppose because it is so much more personalized with direct fighting between humans instead of flying machines.
Nuanced? I thought it was very plain, almost comical. Why do you think it's nuanced?
You get both an understanding of why they're upset and an understanding of why they may be mislead.
It also turns out that the movement is being funded by the elves to weaken the Empire
I just discovered what you mean and oh my god this is so amazing, on every conceivable level. Frankly anything that improves transparency in this issue is a win-win for all:
1) Mods can't ban for less than solid reaons, and converselly, can't be accused of banning for reasons that aren't true.
2) No more mystery and speculation about why someone was modded.
3) Warnings for users serve as guidelines for everyone, not just them.
4) You can see if someone was banned for good or not (and thus decide if you need to also put them on ignore).
Most likely a very reasonable explanation of what's happening in a lot of cases.
As an old guy, it's amazing to me to that someone can make a game about shooting Nazis, and then be asked if he's worried about upsetting a lot of people.
Um... That's fucked up. Nazis are absolutely evil and there is absolutely no way to twist that statement. Seriously irritating
How do people feel about games that portray the Nazis or the Whermacht for that matter in a "neutral" perspective? For example Company of Heroes 1 and 2 where the Nazi propaganda, symbols and atrocities were omitted and there were several campaigns from the Whermacht perspective, humanizing them with a narrative similar to the Allied campaign. Almost every RTS game has it tho, but it's more personal in Company of Heroes than say Close Combat because of the voice acted campaign.
Which ones? I don't know that many RTS games but I'm surprised to hear this. Then again if you're going to roleplay WWII, you can't... make up countries, I guess.
Sudden Strike, Close Combat, Combat Mission, Company Of Heroes, Operational Art of War and so on and so forth. Playing as the Whermacht and Imperial Japan is essential to every RTS, RTT game.
I guess playing Nazis from an RTS perspective is less personal or influential ( Don't know if those are the right terms to use) than from an FPS perspective.
That's actually an interesting point, if you play one faction in a real war, with real battles, how much does one shy away from the atrocities that the faction did during those battles or that theater of war. And do we separate Nazis and the Wehrmacht for example, or do we see the every enlisted soldier, serviceman and so on as an Nazi, or do we see it more like a grey area or were every one of them Nazis deserving of no mercy, gleefully killing them even if they surrendered?
I just think its' interesting where we start to get uncomfortable, personally I don't know where I would draw the line so to say. In games like Wolfenstein it's so obvious.
How to spot a Nazi, method 473: Read negative reviews for Wolfenstein on Amazon.
Some choice quotes...
"The pathetic stereotypical and racist beginning was beyond belief."
"The "good" ending is Communism prevailing. Just more SJW indoctrination garbage."
"But who cares... you just left with the following "logical" flow: white man -> racist -> angry -> family beating -> animal hating -> (missing connection points, pure evil?) -> Nazis."
And my personal favorite for sheer creativity...
"No offense to anyone who is wheelchair bound. I guess if you're trying to target your video game to that demographic, that's fine. But, you should spell that out up front before the game is even purchased... meaning, put it on the box art. As someone not in that demographic and as a long time FPS gamer, I want my soldiers able bodied and ready to kick some a**. This is a fantasy world where the hero should act like a hero at all times."
Okay, I'm not sure if that last one is racist or just incredibly stupid.
Some choice quotes...
"The pathetic stereotypical and racist beginning was beyond belief."
"The "good" ending is Communism prevailing. Just more SJW indoctrination garbage."
"But who cares... you just left with the following "logical" flow: white man -> racist -> angry -> family beating -> animal hating -> (missing connection points, pure evil?) -> Nazis."
And my personal favorite for sheer creativity...
"No offense to anyone who is wheelchair bound. I guess if you're trying to target your video game to that demographic, that's fine. But, you should spell that out up front before the game is even purchased... meaning, put it on the box art. As someone not in that demographic and as a long time FPS gamer, I want my soldiers able bodied and ready to kick some a**. This is a fantasy world where the hero should act like a hero at all times."
Okay, I'm not sure if that last one is racist or just incredibly stupid.
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It's funny, the complaint over the wheelchair section, I mean BJ manages to take out several Nazis without the use of his legs, how could one be more bad ass?
Not like it ever affect Germans today or ever did. Not like Germans are ever treated as second class citizens. No one will ever pull up to a German with their car and roll down their window and spit at them as they shout "fucking Germans." Or are people upset about dead Nazi soldiers legacy? Lol
Please do not derail threads. New news, new thread-- for people with threadmaking privileges. Also, the reason for the other thread's locking was made clear.
I don't have the ability to create new threads, and this thread
'White Lives Matter' rally tomorrow in Murfreesboro, TN
was locked, so I'm posting in the only other "Nazi" thread on the site...
Nazis harass and assault a biracial couple in a pub in Brentwood, TN.
https://twitter.com/LeftistScumbag/status/924466675973533696
A bi-racial couple allegedly attacked tonight by neo-Nazis after a Tennessee rally, beating the white woman bloody.
https://twitter.com/JackSmithIV/status/924475828385218560
(VIDEO)
[And before anyone starts questioning "Were they really Nazis": https://twitter.com/madsamarxist/status/924337598281199616 ]
I don't know the area, but Brentwood looks to be about 30 miles from Murfreesboro (site of the Nazi rally), on the way back north to Nashville.
This is America in 2017, not a video game...
1. Should mods be closing a thread about an ongoing event before it's completely over?
2. I think this is important enough that someone with thread creation privileges should post it.
3. This forum doesn't embed tweets?
'White Lives Matter' rally tomorrow in Murfreesboro, TN
was locked, so I'm posting in the only other "Nazi" thread on the site...
Nazis harass and assault a biracial couple in a pub in Brentwood, TN.
https://twitter.com/LeftistScumbag/status/924466675973533696
A bi-racial couple allegedly attacked tonight by neo-Nazis after a Tennessee rally, beating the white woman bloody.
https://twitter.com/JackSmithIV/status/924475828385218560
(VIDEO)
[And before anyone starts questioning "Were they really Nazis": https://twitter.com/madsamarxist/status/924337598281199616 ]
I don't know the area, but Brentwood looks to be about 30 miles from Murfreesboro (site of the Nazi rally), on the way back north to Nashville.
This is America in 2017, not a video game...
1. Should mods be closing a thread about an ongoing event before it's completely over?
2. I think this is important enough that someone with thread creation privileges should post it.
3. This forum doesn't embed tweets?
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