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Feb 28, 2018
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The NBA created a structure where teams have no rational choice but to do shitty things and instead of addressing the system that is causing it, they punish the logical actors. Same as with tanking.
Dude. People pay Good money to watch Davis play. No one pays money to watch Melo chandler persons or whoever else they mentioned. The nba is looking after its revenue stream. Silly take.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Dude. People pay Good money to watch Davis play. No one pays money to watch Melo chandler persons or whoever else they mentioned. The nba is looking after its revenue stream. Silly take.
why can't the pelicans look after theirs? if AD tanks his trade value by getting an injury that could be the end of a basketball team in new orleans
 
Oct 28, 2017
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They added Dirk and Wade because they were legacy players and probably retiring after this year. It was two special spots specifically added so fans could see Wade and Dirk at the all star game for the last time.

If Luka got enough votes from coaches/players/and fans he would be in the game. He didn’t.

They are not going to make a extra roster spot so snubbed players like Luka can play.
If they can just add roster spots at the drop of the hat like that, then they can do it for whatever reason they want.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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The NBA created a structure where teams have no rational choice but to do shitty things and instead of addressing the system that is causing it, they punish the logical actors. Same as with tanking.
Bulls got shitted on last year for resting Lopez. NBA threatened them with fines if they rested him again.

Carmelo was a net negative.

And as for Davis he wants to play. He’s being played to play. Fans come to watch him play. He doesn’t want to go into next year rusty.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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The NBA created a structure where teams have no rational choice but to do shitty things and instead of addressing the system that is causing it, they punish the logical actors. Same as with tanking.
To be fair, Carmelo and Parsons were not helping the team win. It was actually a good basketball decision to not play them. The same isn’t true for Anthony Davis.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Carmelo and Parsons don’t play because they stink. You may as well have fined the Knicks for banishing Noah

The anti tanking rule applies to teams not playing their best players because they are trying to lose. The rockets stopped playing Carmelo because he was bad. The rockets want to actually try to win a title this season. It’s dumb.

They could have moved AD but chose not to. He’s healthy and wants to play. They shouldn’t be allowed to send him home. If they didn’t want to risk him getting injured they could have traded him before the deadline
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I think it's completely fair for a team to bench a player who requested a trade to preserve his health.
I also think it’s fair for the league to fine them for it. Players should be able to request trades without the league melting down over it.

If AD refused to play and just flew to party in Europe or something and the Pelicans were in a better position and competing for a playoff spot, he’d be fined for a breach of contract.

AD is holding up to his contract obligations and isn’t doing anything wrong. If players get punished for violating their contracts then teams should to.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Tanking teams have always rested good, healthy players (Celtics with Pierce famously like 10 years ago) The big difference is whether or not players went along with it. In this case AD has no reason to help the Pelicans, and if he’s healthy and wants to play, the league and players association should protect him.
AD didn't want to play for the Pelicans though. He and his agent did everything in their power to force a trade, including actions that intentionally lowered Ad's value. This isn't about tanking, it is about keeping AD from getting injured. Because of AD and AD's actions alone, an injury this season would be devastating for the Pelicans. Hard to blame the Pelicans for trying to take the most logical path left for them.

Dude. People pay Good money to watch Davis play. No one pays money to watch Melo chandler persons or whoever else they mentioned. The nba is looking after its revenue stream. Silly take.
And New Orleans is looking after their long-term revenue stream. Their attendance is already in the tank, both home and road. I checked the other night and you could score $2 tickets to a game at the hallowed Smoothie King Arena. If they don't get value for Davis then the franchise is turbofucked.

To be fair, Carmelo and Parsons were not helping the team win. It was actually a good basketball decision to not play them. The same isn’t true for Anthony Davis.
It is an incredibly good basketball decision to preserve AD's health. Once AD publicly requested the trade, he destroyed some of his value, protecting as much of AD's value as possible is an existential imperative for the Pelicans.

Carmelo and Parsons don’t play because they stink. You may as well have fined the Knicks for banishing Noah

The anti tanking rule applies to teams not playing their best players because they are trying to lose. The rockets stopped playing Carmelo because he was bad. The rockets want to actually try to win a title this season. It’s dumb.

They could have moved AD but chose not to. He’s healthy and wants to play. They shouldn’t be allowed to send him home. If they didn’t want to risk him getting injured they could have traded him before the deadline
This isn't about tanking though. If New Orleans could make an agreement with the NBA where their draft pick this year was #30 in exchange for being allowed to protect AD's health, they would do it.

And no, the Pelicans were not obligated to trade someone who publicly trashed their value right before the deadline a full year and a half before their contract is up. That is madness.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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AD didn't want to play for the Pelicans though. He and his agent did everything in their power to force a trade, including actions that intentionally lowered Ad's value. This isn't about tanking, it is about keeping AD from getting injured. Because of AD and AD's actions alone, an injury this season would be devastating for the Pelicans. Hard to blame the Pelicans for trying to take the most logical path left for them.



And New Orleans is looking after their long-term revenue stream. Their attendance is already in the tank, both home and road. I checked the other night and you could score $2 tickets to a game at the hallowed Smoothie King Arena. If they don't get value for Davis then the franchise is turbofucked.



It is an incredibly good basketball decision to preserve AD's health. Once AD publicly requested the trade, he destroyed some of his value, protecting as much of AD's value as possible is an existential imperative for the Pelicans.
I’m saying a basketball decision as in to win basketball games this season.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Those defending the Pels, how would you feel if AD threats to sit out next season in case he gets traded to a team he doesn't want to sign long term?
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I’m saying a basketball decision as in to win basketball games this season.
This is what I am talking about about the structure of the league punishing logical actors. No good GM, or coach for that matter, makes decisions solely based on winning the next game. If winning each game in front of you was the only consideration, then Thibs' Bulls rotations would seem tame in comparison to what we would see.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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A player is payed to play. Resting players because they feel tired/fatigued/something doesn't feel right is one thing.

Resting a player because you want to tank or keep a player who wants to play is bullshit.

If Davis is injured the Pelicans organization will be fine. They will still have lottery picks, a rich owner, and another chance to draft a star. Davis might be fucked depending how bad the injury is.

It's a players league, so I'm glad NBA is enforcing these rules. But lets not act like the NBA is targeting the Pelicans.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...ls-resting-healthy-players-tanking/401687002/
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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A player is played to play. Resting players because they feel tired/fatigued/something doesn't feel right is one thing.

Resting a player because you want to tank or keep a player who wants to play is bullshit.

If Davis is injured the Pelicans organization will be fine. They will still have lottery picks, a rich owner, and another chance to draft a star. Davis might be fucked depending how bad the injury is.

It's a players league, so I'm glad NBA is enforcing these rules. But lets not act like the NBA is targeting the Pelicans.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...ls-resting-healthy-players-tanking/401687002/
My point is that if the NBA really wanted to stop this behavior, they would need to change the things that incentivise it. These punishments don't fix the problem, which is why they aren't even being applied evenly. What AD did was a form of legal tampering and if you allow that, no other rules are going to fix the repercussions.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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My point is that if the NBA really wanted to stop this behavior, they would need to change the things that incentivise it. These punishments don't fix the problem, which is why they aren't even being applied evenly. What AD did was a form of legal tampering and if you allow that, no other rules are going to fix the repercussions.
But the league did not allow it - AD and Klutch was fined.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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But the league did not allow it - AD and Klutch was fined.
The fine was tiny and was only for saying the specific team he wanted to go to. As it is right now, players are allowed to publicly demand trades during the season and as long as that is the case, we are going to continue to have situations like this.
 
Feb 28, 2018
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And New Orleans is looking after their long-term revenue stream. Their attendance is already in the tank, both home and road. I checked the other night and you could score $2 tickets to a game at the hallowed Smoothie King Arena. If they don't get value for Davis then the franchise is turbofucked.




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The pelicans don't get to choose to keep there Cake and eat it too. They had the choice to trade Davis, they chose not to. That comes with risks and they now have to live with the consequences. They're are season ticket holders that bought tickets and the nba decided it was not fair for them to game those kind of people as well as there own player who wants to play. In addition they pushed for Davis to be fine cause of the request.... No one should pity for them for that and the nba doesn't either.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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The fine was tiny and was only for saying the specific team he wanted to go to. As it is right now, players are allowed to publicly demand trades during the season and as long as that is the case, we are going to continue to have situations like this.
Davis’ fine was for publicly demanding a trade himself (ie not doing it through the media like others have), he never publicly declared it was Lakers or bust.

In the grand scheme, the fine the Pels would get for sitting Davis, to the billionaires that own the team, is tiny too.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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The pelicans don't get to choose to keep there Cake and eat it too. They had the choice to trade Davis, they chose not to. That comes with risks and they now have to live with the consequences. They're are season ticket holders that bought tickets and the nba decided it was not fair for them to game those kind of people as well as there own player who wants to play. In addition they pushed for Davis to be fine cause of the request.... No one should pity for them for that and the nba doesn't either.
They don't have any cake! They haven't even eaten any cake. This is already an entirely cakeless situation for them. This all started with what Davis did. Do you really want a league where players, who are under contract for over a year and a half, can force a midseason trade for $.50 on the dollar and we blame the team for not complying? That is some pretty wild instability.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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The fine was tiny and was only for saying the specific team he wanted to go to. As it is right now, players are allowed to publicly demand trades during the season and as long as that is the case, we are going to continue to have situations like this.
And how do you propose they fix this? It sounds like what your proposing is some form of authoritarian law that players cannot come out and speak their opinion during the season no matter what the situation may be. Let's be honest the only thing the league can enforce are the fines. They can increase the monetary sum all they want, but at the end of the day if a player is unhappy they have the right to say what's on their mind.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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They don't have any cake! They haven't even eaten any cake. This is already an entirely cakeless situation for them. This all started with what Davis did. Do you really want a league where players, who are under contract for over a year and a half, can force a midseason trade for $.50 on the dollar and we blame the team for not complying? That is some pretty wild instability.
Everybody gets to play their hand. Davis wanted to be traded to a team of his choosing, his team told him no. The Pelicans wanted to keep Davis yet also sit him while healthy so that they could tank, he said no. They don’t have to do him a solid, but he doesn’t have to help them either.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Everybody gets to play their hand. Davis wanted to be traded to a team of his choosing, his team told him no. The Pelicans wanted to keep Davis yet also sit him while healthy so that they could tank, he said no. They don’t have to do him a solid, but he doesn’t have to help them either.
Again, I don't think it is accurate to say that the Pelicans are sitting AD to tank. They haven't sat any of their other impact players and didn't firesale at the deadline. This is them reacting to a specific situation with a specific player that doesn't necessarily intersect with tanking.

And how do you propose they fix this? It sounds like what your proposing is some form of authoritarian law that players cannot come out and speak their opinion during the season no matter what the situation may be. Let's be honest the only thing the league can enforce are the fines. They can increase the monetary sum all they want, but at the end of the day if a player is unhappy they have the right to say what's on their mind.
The NBA is full of authoritarian laws. Forcing the Pelicans to play AD is an authoritarian law. I am saying that if you have the correct authoritarian laws, you can have fewer of them. I think right now the rules force teams and players to do crappy things in pursuit of their own self interests. I just want everyone to take a step back and think about how things could be restructured so people are more ofen incentivised to do things that are more beneficial for the long term health of the teams, players and agents.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Those defending the Pels, how would you feel if AD threats to sit out next season in case he gets traded to a team he doesn't want to sign long term?
I mean, he's already tanked his value by limiting teams he'd re-sign with to 3 or 4. If he sat and the Pels wanted him to play, they should be able to fine him. The contract AD signed gives NO control over his basketball life. He has no control so he should ride the pine if they say so or get on the court if that's what they want.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Again, I don't think it is accurate to say that the Pelicans are sitting AD to tank. They haven't sat any of their other impact players and didn't firesale at the deadline. This is them reacting to a specific situation with a specific player that doesn't necessarily intersect with tanking.
Regardless of what their reasoning is, that’s their problem. It’s a risk they took by not trading him. So long as the NBA ties contract bonuses into performance via things like All NBA selections, a player in Davis’ position absolutely has a right to have a grievance if his team tries to sit him when he’s healthy and wants to play. And the league and the PA have an obligation to look out for him.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Nah its PG-13

Dude's run since new year is insane

I'm actually just checking, he actually started this run since december
PG has been hotter of late, but I gotta give Joel the nod with his consistency over the whole season so far. But if George keeps playing like this, then sure, he's definitely in the conversation at the end of the year.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Dude has always been one of the best defenders in the league and shot over 40% from 3 last year.

Mediocre.
By mediocre its means he having season where his status as top 15 became arguable, he certainly make up for it way more than needed this year tho, he play like top 5 player.
PG has been hotter of late, but I gotta give Joel the nod with his consistency over the whole season so far. But if George keeps playing like this, then sure, he's definitely in the conversation at the end of the year.
Nah, just checking PG's been playing like this since december, he more consistent than Embiid.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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My biggest issue with Embiid is that he is shooting under 50% as a C and takes way too many 3's. I think he's shooting under 30% for the season? Guy is a defensive monster and unquestionably the best C in the league though.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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My biggest issue with Embiid is that he is shooting under 50% as a C and takes way too many 3's. I think he's shooting under 30% for the season? Guy is a defensive monster and unquestionably the best C in the league though.
He kinda has to to help with spacing the floor because Simmons can't/won't and even Butler has been reluctant to pull the trigger. Hopefully the addition of Harris will help with some of the spacing issues and Embiid can get more shots off down low.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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That's ok, Adam Silver views tanking as a much bigger issue than the Lakers GM tampering across the league
I mean hes not wrong though? Tanking actively tells fans to not show up to the games. Tampering just increases interest in the league, they're basically the WWE of sports with the non-stop drama and shit.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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This is what I am talking about about the structure of the league punishing logical actors. No good GM, or coach for that matter, makes decisions solely based on winning the next game. If winning each game in front of you was the only consideration, then Thibs' Bulls rotations would seem tame in comparison to what we would see.
The NBA is an entertainment business. If teams choose to sacrifice entertainment for some long plan of resting assets that are healthy, then they are going against the core principle of the business. The number one goal of the league is to make money.
 
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