So the Dems need to just show up on Christmas an pass a ton of shit
Dems don't have enough people for a quorum.
So the Dems need to just show up on Christmas an pass a ton of shit
Fuck. Me.
Someone get me off of this country now. I have a passport book. I'll take something like Canada, New Zealand, Japan, etc.
Nobody cares about the laws in this country anymore, Republicans or Democrats. They just proudly let Trump & his cohorts continue to fuck up everything.
For those of you whining about us complaining that the Dems are being incompetent and deserves to be roasted for it, what would be achieved by merely sticking to only lobby complaints at the GOP? The GOP will do what they always do: use every trick in the book to maintain or gain power. No amount of yelling at them from the left or "sick" Twitter burns online will change that.
But we can influence how the Democrats deal with such a duplicitous party through advocacy from the left, primaries, and putting pressure on Dem politicians.
Sticking our heads in the sand and continue to use bad tactics and a foolhardy attitude of taking the GOP at their word results in situations like this. Shit like this will continue to happen until Dems change how they view and engage with the GOP. And that change won't happen if we just shut-up and not take Dems to task when they do foolhardy shit like this.
Why is this hard for some people to grasp?
I think it's fair, but I also think it speaks way more to how low the GOP is willing to go than it does how bad Dems can be. I think the Dems need to learn to stop trying to kick the football but it's still the fault of the people pulling it away that we're in the state we're in.But we're the ridiculous ones for pointing out the flaws in the party. All focus must be on the GOP, ignore the bad and dumb shit the Dems are doing please.
I'm not absolving the GOP for their actions and recognize that they are doing horrible things. What I want is for the democrats to realize who they are dealing with and act accordinglyI think it's fair, but I also think it speaks way more to how low the GOP is willing to go than it does how bad Dems can be. I think the Dems need to learn to stop trying to kick the football but it's still the fault of the people pulling it away that we're in the state we're in.
Why are so you focused on the Democrats when the GOP did something horrible?
Because complaining how terrible the GOP is amounts to nothing? I mean, I know the GOP is terrible. Everyone here know that. Complaining about how shitty the GOP is from the left isn't going to make them change their behavior. My time and effort is far better spent pressuring Democrats to stop playing the role of Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. I wouldn't even be complaining if this was a one-off, but this has been a constant issue with Dems.
In other words, you just want people to shut the fuck up, basically. You want them to complain in the specific way you like.You're not going to pressure Dems here, is my point. You lose nothing by castigated the GOP as they should be. Everyone here knows that but too many would rather go nuclear on a Democrat when a Republican does something bad. Complain anyway, but it should be in proportion, the Dems failed they didn't earn the majority of your anger on this.
But you're not pressuring anyone, let alone Democrats, by comparing them to Trump GOP deplorables. The only reason why North Carolina isn't a complete and total shitshow is because there is a decent number of Democrats there who are able to challenge the godforsaken gerrymandering NCGOP did.Because complaining how terrible the GOP is amounts to nothing? I mean, I know the GOP is terrible. Everyone here know that. Complaining about how shitty the GOP is from the left isn't going to make them change their behavior. My time and effort is far better spent pressuring Democrats to stop playing the role of Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. I wouldn't even be complaining if this was a one-off, but this has been a constant issue with Dems.
Where did I compare Democrats to Trump deplorables? My entire argument is that yelling at the GOP for being the shitheels they are is a fruitless endeavor and better time can be spent pressuring Dems to not be gullable fools regarding GOP duplicity. The meme about Demcorats being Charlie Brown didn't come out of nowhere. The GOP has proven time and again that they can't be trusted, and yet Democrats far too often find themselves in situations blind-sided by GOP duplicity. Situations that could have been avoided if they stopped thinking of the GOP as "my respectable colleagues from across the aisle." and see them as the cutthroat assholes that will screw you over at the drop of a hat and act accordingly.But you're not pressuring anyone, let alone Democrats, by comparing them to Trump GOP deplorables. The only reason why North Carolina isn't a complete and total shitshow is because there is a decent number of Democrats there who are able to challenge the godforsaken gerrymandering NCGOP did.
In other words, you just want people to shut the fuck up, basically. You want them to complain in the specific way you like.
"Please don't complain about Democrats. It's useless. Instead, complain about the GOP which is equally as useless., but it makes me feel better"
If what we say on this videogame forum is useless, then we aren't - as you put it - "going overboard" therefore you just want us to shut up. I really doubt that our posts in this thread will depress turnout in any kind of meaningful way. But if it does, then the Democratic party has bigger problems than a few posts on a videogame forum. You know what, point out how people are going overboard. I think we will have different standards on what can be considered "overboard" but I'm interested to see what useless posts on a videogame forum you think are going overboard.Reacting in proportion to what the Dems did is not telling anyone to shut up, it's being rational. Your position only makes sense if you think Democrats are just as bad as Republicans.
Strawman. The Dems deserve some criticism, going overboard just does the Republicans work for them to depress turnout. Which has been going on for a while now in politics threads. Criticism has a certain meaning, it's not what you're doing.
This isn't about me "feeling better," no politician is going to swayed by what we say on a video game forum. And even if you were right the GOP will lose by being fought not running away from them. Something you're chiding the Democrats for doing in NC.
This is also true. The first step to solving a problem is diagnosing the issue. We need more people to see the faults in the Democratic Party so that we can mend them. If all we do is remain silent, then absolutely nothing will change.Individually, people might not be able to pressure democrats. But if enough individuals agitate enough, people might collectively have impact by protest and/or voting. These things are worth people voicing their grievances for.
Will they feel really bad about it and rescind their veto?
Absolutely. The idea is to tell them "you guys are being fooled WATCH OUT". In the same way telling someone their new friend is an MLM recruiter trying to get them hooked into a pyramid scheme is meant to inoculate them against the MLM scheme.
Does this sound like Charlie Brown learned Lucy is going to take the football away next time as well? It doesn't to me.On the House floor, Pierce called the decision to vote "a bit much."
"I know you gotta do what you gotta do. ... Mr. Speaker, that was not the way to do it," Pierce said. "I wish you well and God bless you."
Nope. But it's not like they'll listen being assholes either.
Pathetic. Just pathetic. How can those Democrats be so incapable of learning to leverage power.Absolutely. The idea is to tell them "you guys are being fooled WATCH OUT". In the same way telling someone their new friend is an MLM recruiter trying to get them hooked into a pyramid scheme is meant to inoculate them against the MLM scheme.
It is a warning, and also a demand to do better.
It's too late for this vote but there will be future votes, so it's vital they're on guard ALL THE TIME.
I mean this was the tone of their response:
Does this sound like Charlie Brown learned Lucy is going to take the football away next time as well? It doesn't to me.
"I know you gotta do what you gotta do Lucy, but can you not take the football away? God bless you."
lmfao
Right, so why bother complaining? The wildfire doesn't care about how much you hate that it's burning up your shit, you just put it out.
Well there is a way but it would get me banned to say howRight, so why bother complaining? The wildfire doesn't care about how much you hate that it's burning up your shit, you just put it out.
My problem here, and I think the problem of a lot of people here who agree with me, is that there's a group of people's whose jobs it is to put out this wildfire, and when their backs were turned, because the wildfire sent them an email promising not to burn shit up while they were away, the wildfire went and burned shit up. There is literally no one else who can put out this wildfire so I'm basically forced to ask them to do better.
Exactly. The NC GOP especially has proven themselves to be some of the worst members in an already rotten party. That Democrats STILL somehow trust the NC GOP to not screw them over the second they get the chance to is staggering political incompetence. I don't want an incompetent party, so my criticisms of Dems is my effort to get them it pull their heads of their asses and do better.Let's not forget that it was the NC GOP who voted to strip power from the incoming Democratic governor back in 2016 and also tried to push a bill that would only put Republicans on the state election board. Time and time again, they have show that they are not to be trusted, but Democrats negligently keep on trusting them.
Everyone in this thread agrees that the GOP are evil duplicitous assholes, but we want the Democrats in power to also see them that way. Personally, I can't just be quiet about it. It may not change much or anything, but being quiet about it is definitely not going to do anything either.Exactly. The NC GOP especially has proven themselves to be some of the worst members in an already rotten party. That Democrats STILL somehow trust the NC GOP to not screw them over the second they get the chance to is staggering political incompetence. I don't want an incompetent party, so my criticisms of Dems is my effort to get them it pull their heads of their asses and do better.
For those of you whining about us complaining that the Dems are being incompetent and deserves to be roasted for it, what would be achieved by merely sticking to only lobby complaints at the GOP? The GOP will do what they always do: use every trick in the book to maintain or gain power. No amount of yelling at them from the left or "sick" Twitter burns online will change that. But we can influence how the Democrats deal with such a duplicitous party through advocacy from the left, primaries, and putting pressure on Dem politicians.
Sticking our heads in the sand and continue to use bad tactics and a foolhardy attitude of taking the GOP at their word results in situations like this. Shit like this will continue to happen until Dems change how they view and engage with the GOP. And that change won't happen if we just shut-up and not take Dems to task when they do foolhardy shit like this.
Why is this hard for some people to grasp?
Everyone in this thread agrees that the GOP are evil duplicitous assholes, but we want the Democrats in power to also see them that way. Personally, I can't just be quiet about it. It may not change much or anything, but being quiet about it is definitely not going to do anything either.
I'm sorry for asking my democrat daddies too much.But their kids go to the same schools and they all eat and wine and dine at the same establishments. Same religion and churches. Probably share a lot of donors too.
We're asking a lot. Some tribes would say, too much.
Endure until we can get to our already rigged and already sold election.
Probably because its completely stupid and it just demonstrates you have had your back broken.
"The guilty party is so bad that even condemning them is a waste of my time. So since Im incapable of knowing what to do next, I'll just continue condemning, but do it to the people being decent instead".
That's the saddest shit Ive read all day. What's worse is is accomplishes, at best, further setbacks for the people actually trying to help by way of depressed enthusiasm when its needed (during voting years).
Just dumb. Sorry, I don't have another way to frame it.
If your reaction every time the republicans do some repugnant shit is:
"Fucking Democrats!"
Then you are a part of the problem. And honestly, that's a whole damn lot of you around here. Noone is buying your "I only do it because I care" shit, and even if you say that and mean it, its pointless because it doesn't accomplish anything positive. If that's the only reaction you can muster then you seriously need to do better.
I swear people are being intentionally obtuse to not realize thisI'm not absolving the GOP for their actions and recognize that they are doing horrible things. What I want is for the democrats to realize who they are dealing with and act accordingly
Good fucking god, that quote... what the fuckDoes this sound like Charlie Brown learned Lucy is going to take the football away next time as well? It doesn't to me.
"I know you gotta do what you gotta do Lucy, but can you not take the football away? God bless you."
lmfao
No, the reason people go fucking Democrats at all in this case is that basic political maneuvering and common sense would have prevented this. This was an easily foreseeable trap with easy preventative measures. It's not too much to ask for basic political competency from people who are being paid to represent their constituents and protect their interests.Probably because its completely stupid and it just demonstrates you have had your back broken.
"The guilty party is so bad that even condemning them is a waste of my time. So since Im incapable of knowing what to do next, I'll just continue condemning, but do it to the people being decent instead".
That's the saddest shit Ive read all day. What's worse is is accomplishes, at best, further setbacks for the people actually trying to help by way of depressed enthusiasm when its needed (during voting years).
Just dumb. Sorry, I don't have another way to frame it.
If your reaction every time the republicans do some repugnant shit is:
"Fucking Democrats!"
Then you are a part of the problem. And honestly, that's a whole damn lot of you around here. Noone is buying your "I only do it because I care" shit, and even if you say that and mean it, its pointless because it doesn't accomplish anything positive. If that's the only reaction you can muster then you seriously need to do better.
YepNo, the reason people go fucking Democrats at all in this case is that basic political maneuvering and common sense would have prevented this. This was an easily foreseeable trap with easy preventative measures. It's not too much to ask for basic political competency from people who are being paid to represent their constituents and protect their interests.
It's also seems like the same people who say that you can't complain if you don't vote are now saying to people that do vote that they can't complain either.Seems like only voters should be asked to do better but not politicians, apparently never the politicians.
It's ridiculous. Those Democrats were failing at basic politicking and we can't even vent about it in a semi obscure gaming forum? Just what the hell.It's also seems like the same people who say that you can't complain if you don't vote are now saying to people that do vote that they can't complain either.
Honestly, it's easier to just tell us to shut up. There's no need to go in this roundabout way to do it.
It's also seems like the same people who say that you can't complain if you don't vote are now saying to people that do vote that they can't complain either.
Honestly, it's easier to just tell us to shut up. There's no need to go in this roundabout way to do it.
Probably because its completely stupid and it just demonstrates you have had your back broken.
"The guilty party is so bad that even condemning them is a waste of my time. So since Im incapable of knowing what to do next, I'll just continue condemning, but do it to the people being decent instead".
That's the saddest shit Ive read all day. What's worse is is accomplishes, at best, further setbacks for the people actually trying to help by way of depressed enthusiasm when its needed (during voting years).
Just dumb. Sorry, I don't have another way to frame it.
If your reaction every time the republicans do some repugnant shit is:
"Fucking Democrats!"
Then you are a part of the problem. And honestly, that's a whole damn lot of you around here. Noone is buying your "I only do it because I care" shit, and even if you say that and mean it, its pointless because it doesn't accomplish anything positive. If that's the only reaction you can muster then you seriously need to do better.
Yup. The Democrats keep getting tricked like this and not learning. Either they learn from their mistakes or something else is going on. And they haven't been doing much learning.They should just be relieved people here are blaming incompetence and not complicity, since the latter honestly makes more sense at this point.
It's ridiculous. Those Democrats were failing at basic politicking and we can't even vent about it in a semi obscure gaming forum? Just what the hell.
They just want people to pull the lever for the democrats and not make any complaints about it.Asking for basic political competency and common sense from the only option (Democrats) we got that sits between a decent representative democracy and total fascist takeover is asking too much apparently. How dare us for even bringing up such complaints! I'm apparently "part of the problem" for daring to even raise the point publicly.
Asking for basic political competency and common sense from the only option (Democrats) we got that sits between a decent representative democracy and total fascist takeover is asking too much apparently. How dare us for even bringing up such complaints! I'm apparently "part of the problem" for daring to even raise the point publicly.