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Neckbeard Deathcamp's debute album, "White Nationalism is for Basement Dwelling Losers"
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Since the post is also debating the 'metal is racist/metal is totally anti racist' I figure id give my views.
I told this story on here before but as a black dude who's been going to hardcore/metal shows for almost 2 decades I never had a problem…
…until last year. One was minor. I was at a hardcore punk show who's lead singer is pretty left online and a girl in the crowd felt compelled to warn me there were two dudes with nazi tats being extra jerks in the pit (she was right). Not the first time ive seen stuff like that (last time was in a Hatebreed pit and a bunch of latino punk rockers flew their heads in glorious fashion) but the first ive seen since in years. I think she felt compelled cause Charlottesville was fresh on everyone's mind.
The second was heartbreaking. An underground label that specializes in extreme music of all kinds (noise, electronics, metal) had an anniversary party and one of the black metal bands decided to go full Nazi I knew something was off because everyone was standoffish and I kept on thinking it was me being a weirdo, then suddenly I was surrounded by a neo-nazi singing along in full German (in gentrified brooklyn!!!) to a hit by these standup dudes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absurd_(band)
Problem is that particularly in areas of metal that love evil imagery it's so easy for that stuff to fly and thrive under the radar because of the scenes insistence that "We just like scary stuff, nothing personal" (that same label party had a POC DJ as one of the earlier acts).
While there's tons of bleedover between punk and hardcore it seems that the hardcore punk scene is much more active at stamping out or at least separating themselves from their racist counterparts. It feels that on the metal side there's a bunch of apologists ("we metal fans get maligned all the time, we gotta give em a chance!" "We hate everyone equally!") along with the fact that black metal in particular struggles with the fact some of its seminal scene forming albums have been found to have been made by questionable people.
That said, over the years ive seen a larger amount of people embracing heavy music as access to it gets easier and the crowds have slowly grown more diverse as a result. And more dialogue about stuff like that too.
https://noisey.vice.com/en_us/article/vbqkmx/theres-no-room-in-metal-for-racists-abusers-and-bigots
I told this story on here before but as a black dude who's been going to hardcore/metal shows for almost 2 decades I never had a problem…
…until last year. One was minor. I was at a hardcore punk show who's lead singer is pretty left online and a girl in the crowd felt compelled to warn me there were two dudes with nazi tats being extra jerks in the pit (she was right). Not the first time ive seen stuff like that (last time was in a Hatebreed pit and a bunch of latino punk rockers flew their heads in glorious fashion) but the first ive seen since in years. I think she felt compelled cause Charlottesville was fresh on everyone's mind.
The second was heartbreaking. An underground label that specializes in extreme music of all kinds (noise, electronics, metal) had an anniversary party and one of the black metal bands decided to go full Nazi I knew something was off because everyone was standoffish and I kept on thinking it was me being a weirdo, then suddenly I was surrounded by a neo-nazi singing along in full German (in gentrified brooklyn!!!) to a hit by these standup dudes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absurd_(band)
Problem is that particularly in areas of metal that love evil imagery it's so easy for that stuff to fly and thrive under the radar because of the scenes insistence that "We just like scary stuff, nothing personal" (that same label party had a POC DJ as one of the earlier acts).
While there's tons of bleedover between punk and hardcore it seems that the hardcore punk scene is much more active at stamping out or at least separating themselves from their racist counterparts. It feels that on the metal side there's a bunch of apologists ("we metal fans get maligned all the time, we gotta give em a chance!" "We hate everyone equally!") along with the fact that black metal in particular struggles with the fact some of its seminal scene forming albums have been found to have been made by questionable people.
That said, over the years ive seen a larger amount of people embracing heavy music as access to it gets easier and the crowds have slowly grown more diverse as a result. And more dialogue about stuff like that too.
https://noisey.vice.com/en_us/article/vbqkmx/theres-no-room-in-metal-for-racists-abusers-and-bigots
Not a punk fan (though I do dabble in GG Allin, because GG FUCKING ALLIN!) but I'm all in here! Thanks, OP!
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Jesus, that sounded like a fucking awful experience. What the hell is wrong with people. I have seen the apologism you mentioned before and that shit needs to end.
Fans of this should check out some Impaled Northern Moonforest for some TRVE KVLT black metal.
Tracklist of the album on Youtube:
00:00 Grim And Frostbitten Moongoats Of The North
01:03 Forlorned Invocations Of Blasphemous Congregations Of Lustin Goat Sodomizing Satannis
01:58 Gazing At The Blasphemous Moon
02:32 Bloodlustfully Praising Satans Unholy Allmightyness In The Woods At Midnight
03:17 Nocturnal Cauldrons Aflame Amidst The Nothern Hellwitch's Perpetual Blasphemy
04:44 Transfixing The Forbidden Blasphemous Incantations Of The Conjering Wintergoat
05:44 Masterbating On The Unholy Inverted Tracks Of The Grim + Frostbitten Necrobobsledders
06:30 Awaiting The Blasphemous Abomination Of The Necroyeti While Sailing On The Northernmost Fjord Of Xzfgiiizmtsath
07:09 Lustfully Worshiping The Inverted Moongoat While Skiing Down The Inverted Necromountain Of Necrodeathmortem
07:52 Awaiting The Frozen Blasphamy Of The Necroyeti's Lusting Necrobation upon The Altar Of Vuxrfszzzisnzf
08:44 Summoning The Unholy Frozen Winterdemons To The Grimmest And Most Frostbitten Inverted Forest Of Abazagorath
09:24 Entranced By The Northern Impaled Necrowizards Blasphemous Incantation Amidst The Agonizing Abomination Of The Necrocorpse
09:44 Grim and Frostbitten Gay Bar
Tracklist of the album on Youtube:
00:00 Grim And Frostbitten Moongoats Of The North
01:03 Forlorned Invocations Of Blasphemous Congregations Of Lustin Goat Sodomizing Satannis
01:58 Gazing At The Blasphemous Moon
02:32 Bloodlustfully Praising Satans Unholy Allmightyness In The Woods At Midnight
03:17 Nocturnal Cauldrons Aflame Amidst The Nothern Hellwitch's Perpetual Blasphemy
04:44 Transfixing The Forbidden Blasphemous Incantations Of The Conjering Wintergoat
05:44 Masterbating On The Unholy Inverted Tracks Of The Grim + Frostbitten Necrobobsledders
06:30 Awaiting The Blasphemous Abomination Of The Necroyeti While Sailing On The Northernmost Fjord Of Xzfgiiizmtsath
07:09 Lustfully Worshiping The Inverted Moongoat While Skiing Down The Inverted Necromountain Of Necrodeathmortem
07:52 Awaiting The Frozen Blasphamy Of The Necroyeti's Lusting Necrobation upon The Altar Of Vuxrfszzzisnzf
08:44 Summoning The Unholy Frozen Winterdemons To The Grimmest And Most Frostbitten Inverted Forest Of Abazagorath
09:24 Entranced By The Northern Impaled Necrowizards Blasphemous Incantation Amidst The Agonizing Abomination Of The Necrocorpse
09:44 Grim and Frostbitten Gay Bar
I just love how those Black Metal joke albums save the juicest track for the outro.Fans of this should check out some Impaled Northern Moonforest for some TRVE KVLT black metal.
Tracklist of the album on Youtube:
00:00 Grim And Frostbitten Moongoats Of The North
01:03 Forlorned Invocations Of Blasphemous Congregations Of Lustin Goat Sodomizing Satannis
01:58 Gazing At The Blasphemous Moon
02:32 Bloodlustfully Praising Satans Unholy Allmightyness In The Woods At Midnight
03:17 Nocturnal Cauldrons Aflame Amidst The Nothern Hellwitch's Perpetual Blasphemy
04:44 Transfixing The Forbidden Blasphemous Incantations Of The Conjering Wintergoat
05:44 Masterbating On The Unholy Inverted Tracks Of The Grim + Frostbitten Necrobobsledders
06:30 Awaiting The Blasphemous Abomination Of The Necroyeti While Sailing On The Northernmost Fjord Of Xzfgiiizmtsath
07:09 Lustfully Worshiping The Inverted Moongoat While Skiing Down The Inverted Necromountain Of Necrodeathmortem
07:52 Awaiting The Frozen Blasphamy Of The Necroyeti's Lusting Necrobation upon The Altar Of Vuxrfszzzisnzf
08:44 Summoning The Unholy Frozen Winterdemons To The Grimmest And Most Frostbitten Inverted Forest Of Abazagorath
09:24 Entranced By The Northern Impaled Necrowizards Blasphemous Incantation Amidst The Agonizing Abomination Of The Necrocorpse
09:44 Grim and Frostbitten Gay Bar
These song titles and lyrics are hilarious! Too bad the music is really awful. It's like Marduk except noisier, less polished, and without songwriting chops. Too bad, I really would have been all over this had the music been better.
It's true that many bands are mostly apolitical, but you really picked incredibly poor examples to support your point...
Neo-nazi metal does exist, but it's fortunately a very fringe sub-sub-genre. I don't know if I'd call it "tiny", but it's certainly not "big" and definitely not mainstream.
One of these is not like the others, dude. Burzum is fronted by a neo-nazi (though the music itself is just standard fantasy trash for the most part), but Marduk and Dissection are not neo-nazis.
In addition to that, Zyklon-B is also the name of a black metal band. So it works on many levels haha.
LOL, what? Metallica had songs about the futility of war, the death penalty, drug abuse, etc. And Iced Earth had an entire album about American patriotism (it was also hot garbage, unsurprisingly), written and recorded in a response to 9/11.
It's true that many bands are mostly apolitical, but you really picked incredibly poor examples to support your point...
Holy shit, that's beyond awful. I'm sorry that this happened to you.