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Neowin: Former Edge intern says Google sabotaged Microsoft's browser
- Thread starter Figments
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Why the hell do you do that? Why keep your computer on 24/7 with two dozen browser tabs open?
Fuck both of these companies, honestly. I'd care to listen about Google's attempted monopoly if it comes from literally anyone else, instead of Microsoft.
Even if you don't like Microsoft (and I'm certainly liking them less and less), it's not hard to buy their side of the story. This is something that Google can get away with quite easily, and since they don't exactly have a clean record when it comes to anti-competitive practices.
If you can do it, why the heck not? It's way more convenient to navigate to an open tab than to hunt down a link or a bookmark. And a lot of people who leave their computer on 24/7 do so for all sorts of reasons that don't have to do with browsing. Sure it's not something regular users would do, but we're not all regular users.
I do a shitton of research and multitasking over the span of sometimes 2 weeks for my clients. Also, the computer isn't really on 24/7; it goes into hibernation when I'm not around after 10 minutes. It's easier to just keep the tabs open rather than saving a session. Mostly a habit at this point. Still, point still stands, Chrome can't handle that workflow and it's a shame. Chrome used to be amazing but that growing memory problem has never been fixed.
This seems to be digging history but it seems karma coming back. I remember microsoft coming up with their own version of tags and web standards such as their own version of Java (remember MSJVM?), ActiveX (aka the reason XP Service Pack 2 exists), among many many many other examples..
I'm not too happy about Google doing all these nonsense too truth to be told but i guess that's the nature of companies when they grew too big...Look at Apple (with their proprietary nonsense), Amazon (Chromecast getting the benched in the Store for the longest time), Facebook (we knew too well) and obviously Microsoft.
What can i say...none of these big Tech houses is your friend or the industry's friend as well. All they want is control.
I'm not too happy about Google doing all these nonsense too truth to be told but i guess that's the nature of companies when they grew too big...Look at Apple (with their proprietary nonsense), Amazon (Chromecast getting the benched in the Store for the longest time), Facebook (we knew too well) and obviously Microsoft.
What can i say...none of these big Tech houses is your friend or the industry's friend as well. All they want is control.
Eh the Firefox comparsion isn't really a good once since
1. Firefox was the dominate browser when Chrome launched
2. Mozilla was pushing their own standards as well.
3. The web was way more fractured back than then current day.
Chrome/Google pushing Mozilla was necessary
Who's surprised by this? If you use any other browser than Chrome, you know Google does this.
If you don't use Chrome and visit mobile Google search results, you get a vastly inferior experience. Google claims compatibility issues, but you have to be severely up Google's ass to actually believe that. When you switch the useragent and pretend your browser is Chrome, everything works perfectly. And Google knows it. They intentionally serve a worse experience, hoping you'll switch to Chrome.
If you don't use Chrome and visit mobile Google search results, you get a vastly inferior experience. Google claims compatibility issues, but you have to be severely up Google's ass to actually believe that. When you switch the useragent and pretend your browser is Chrome, everything works perfectly. And Google knows it. They intentionally serve a worse experience, hoping you'll switch to Chrome.
The new gmail runs like shit on chrome as well. I haven't tried it on firefox though, maybe it's worse there.
Yeah, fuck 'em. Let's replace an Internet monopoly with another monopoly!
Its a shame they are abandoning the engine. We could probably use a bit more competition in that space. Everyone collaborating on the one open source engine is pretty cool though.
As to the dirty business stuff: rat them out to the EU. EU loves is fines on american companies.
As to the dirty business stuff: rat them out to the EU. EU loves is fines on american companies.
I'm sure this stuff happens all the time, but it's still sad to see.
Chrome runs far smoother on my android phone than other all other browsers... I wonder if there's foul play in action, or just better optimisation. Maybe both?
Chrome runs far smoother on my android phone than other all other browsers... I wonder if there's foul play in action, or just better optimisation. Maybe both?
As a Safari user...
- Gmail runs quite badly
- Google Hangout on the side of Gmail does not load half of the time
- Youtube now seems to like to periodically crash
I don't know if it's just me or it's a Safari thing. The conspiracy side of me obviously thinks Google is doing this to mess with Apple users... I am not a happy camper :(
- Gmail runs quite badly
- Google Hangout on the side of Gmail does not load half of the time
- Youtube now seems to like to periodically crash
I don't know if it's just me or it's a Safari thing. The conspiracy side of me obviously thinks Google is doing this to mess with Apple users... I am not a happy camper :(
Ironic considering where we were a bit over a decade ago, with the EU fining Microsoft for bundling IE with Windows (and not allowing a built-in choice between it and other browsers).
You'd think the company who chiefly benefited from that would also be wary of it being turned on them, but alas.
You'd think the company who chiefly benefited from that would also be wary of it being turned on them, but alas.
I think the last quote says it all. The web moves waaaay too fast to only be releasing every 6 months. Things change, whether malicious or unintentional/incompetence, you have to be in a place to adapt.
the whataboutism here is astounding. this is not about feeling sorry for corporations, but about the consumers being affected by shitty corporate practices.
"making them not run properly on other browsers"
Oh, the same way I have to use that shitty Microsoft Store and UWA stuff I guess?
Oh, the same way I have to use that shitty Microsoft Store and UWA stuff I guess?
Microsoft is not the one getting a hit due to this, but consumers. This 'whatabout'ism is rediculous. Essentially Google is killing competition and choice. This is the prime example of power abuse. It shocks me that so many people say 'well Microsoft did it back then so Google do it now'. We're past that. How about it was wrong back then and it's wrong now? Shameful replies.
Ars has an article over it
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/12/the-web-now-belongs-to-google-and-that-should-worry-us-all/
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/12/the-web-now-belongs-to-google-and-that-should-worry-us-all/
If you used any other browser than Chrome you would know this. Drive runs especially bad in firefox
No, there is no way to play back 4K Netflix on a Mac in any circumstances because Macs don't support a DRM that is accepted by the industry for 4K.
That's on the content creators. They're the ones who choose to put ads everywhere.
Okay. Moz/Firefox has curbed its bad behavior, and probably has very little or even no remaining Netscape code at this point. I'll give you that it's not fair to blame Firefox for the sins of its father.
Google screwed over Windows Phone with YouTube as well. Microsoft even made it, supported ads and everything according to Google design and guidelines but they wouldn't allow it. Not that Windows Phone needed any help to die but Google were deliberately cutting them off at the knee.
Doesn't Microsoft getting involved in Chrome mean Google can't throw their weight around as much though?
Doesn't Microsoft getting involved in Chrome mean Google can't throw their weight around as much though?
While it's incredibly amusing to see MS complain about doing the very thing they got in trouble for, It'd be nice if our government still had the balls to pursue antitrust cases against tech giants. MS fucking over Netscape doesn't excuse Google fucking over MS.
Microsoft repeatedly broke the YouTube TOU, including putting Google in breach of their music licenses.
They were lucky Google didn't sue, bluntly.
Linus tried doing a test and it shows the claims might not be accurate. His own tests and re-creating MS' test.
So while Google has been shitting the bed a lot, I would need accusations from someone a little more credible than MS to immediately agree they are maliciously targeting MS.
That is true. For various reasons (including that and their push for signing-in to the browser), I jumped to Firefox earlier this year.
YouTube as well although I'm not sure if Gmail's new design is using the same underpinnings as Youtube. At least for Firefox there's a Classic Youtube extension that forces the old UI which runs smoother. I've just taken to using Thunderbird again for Gmail at home which works surprisingly well with the Expression Search add-on.
Google's Polymer codebase (which powers YouTube's UI if not other Google products and possibly other websites) was using a pre-release/non-standard version of the Shadow DOM API which was deprecated by... every other browser except Chrome :/ If Polymer didn't find the version of the API it needed to run it would inject its own polyfill but that would run significantly slower than native support. Chrome is going to be deprecating this older API in March according to a blog post by the Polymer team back in October, so hopefully the rest of Google gets their shit together by then.
To be clear: Yes there is of course an irony in MS being the ones to complain about this — but ultimately, the overall loss here isn't to MS (they will just switch to chrome and not care), it's in user choice and adherence to web standards instead of forced/deaf to standards.
Stuff being broken accidentally then repaired is one thing, but no one wins when companies are going out of their way to break shit or invoke a poorer experience for us to make us switch.
i was going to make this very comment
google sucks ass and i totally believe they've been kneecapping other browser vendors but in this particular case microsoft had already tied their own shoelaces together
Worst is the article looks to be based on a random forum post. But the topic is going at full steam already so it doesn't matter anyway.
In terms of battery: there are far too many variables at play to have it be a simple test of "lets compare"
In terms of Google targeting Chrome over IE/Firefox for their web apps; this is 100% accurate and multiple times I have turned back to Chrome because things like Drive perform SO poorly outside of chrome.
I don't understand why windows has the storefront and then instead of putting edge updates there ties them only to the OS update system
Their switch to Chromium will also decouple the browser from Windows Updates and instead be updated more regularly. Being stuck to OS updates really hampered them in the long run.
This is why I sometimes use Opera (with the battery saver feature on) instead of Safari.
All devs just use Chrome to test their web apps, but never care about performance for any other browsers. :/
This site included.
I use Firefox on my high end PC and all google services are brute forced to run well, but run their services on a "normal" setup and you see Google's bullshit come through again and again.
On my rMBP I love Safari, but I do run into issues from time to time. New Gmail is utter trash.
MS choice to move to Blink just handed over the keys to Google to abuse their power even more.
