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Slayven

Never read a comic in his life
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Oct 25, 2017
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Best:
Guy Gardner discovers he is part shape shifting alien
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X-treme Rogue being able to dial up powers she had absorbed like a phone book
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Man of Teal
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Jubliee as Wondra
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hated:

Jade's plant powers
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Chamber as a generic screamer

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Angel going back to regular feathers and AIDs curing blood.
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ManaByte

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Hated:

Bone claw Wolverine
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Before this, Magneto COULD NOT manipulate Adamantium! Cap was able to toss his shield right into Magneto's face.

But along comes Fabian Nicieza and he retcons Adamantium so we got bone claw Wolverine.
 

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Not as much a power set change as much as not knowing the fucking character but I tried reading Bendis's run on Guardians and he had Drax choking and suffocating in space and just stopped and never tried again.

That really bothered me.
 

mrmoose

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Nov 13, 2017
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Hated:

Bone claw Wolverine
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Before this, Magneto COULD NOT manipulate Adamantium! Cap was able to toss his shield right into Magneto's face.

But along comes Fabian Nicieza and he retcons Adamantium so we got bone claw Wolverine.

?

Cap's shield, I thought, was made of some mix of Vibranium, not adamantium. And I'm pretty sure Magneto could manipulate Wolverine's skeleton. He basically wiped the floor with the all-new X-men when he first met them, and part of that was because Colossus and Wolverine were so vulnerable to him.
 

Harpoon

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Hated:

Bone claw Wolverine
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Before this, Magneto COULD NOT manipulate Adamantium! Cap was able to toss his shield right into Magneto's face.

But along comes Fabian Nicieza and he retcons Adamantium so we got bone claw Wolverine.

Eh? Magneto could always manipulate adamantium. Are you sure you're not thinking of vibranium?

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mrmoose

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I will say I like the more classic, Superman-like powers Shazam/Captain Marvel had better than his more magic based, lightning emitting powers. I understand why they did it, though.

Also I thought it was kind of lame as a kid when they changed Lightning Lass's powers to Light Lass (the Legion had this dumb rule at the time that members couldn't have the same power set, so because her brother Lightning Lad was on the team, she manipulated her DNA to change her lightning powers to the ability to make things float). Of course, we see in stuff like My Hero Academia that that kind of power has it's uses.

Donna Troy losing her powers and getting a DarkStar suit was kinda lame too.

Oh, and don't get me started on Speed Ball into Penance.
 

ManaByte

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Eh? Magneto could always manipulate adamantium. Are you sure you're not thinking of vibranium?

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John Byrne says otherwise.


According to John Byrne, Wolverine was especially surprised when Magneto took control of his claws "… since Adamantium is non-magnetic. But Magneto… is not just dealing with metal anymore – he can control anything which generates an electro-magnetic field, which includes the human body. That's how he was able to… manipulate Wolverine's claws."
 

Pau

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Best: Wanda going from probability alteration "hexes", to chaos magic, to straight up reality bending.

Worst: Wanda going back to chaos magic.

I want to watch Wanda in the MCU do what the reality stone was doing. (Although more permanently, as that seemed to be more of an illusion type of thing?)

And yes, Magneto's powers should always be over the whole electro-magnetic spectrum, not just magnetic metals.
 
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Slayven

Slayven

Never read a comic in his life
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Not as much a power set change as much as not knowing the fucking character but I tried reading Bendis's run on Guardians and he had Drax choking and suffocating in space and just stopped and never tried again.

That really bothered me.
Old school Drax was a beast, a cosmic event that hung with Heralds of Galactus. Now I feel like a lucky shot from a pea shooter could take him out
 

mrmoose

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Oh I forgot the time after Zero Hour where they melted down Dr. Fate's helmet and made it into a dagger.
 

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Old school Drax was a beast, a cosmic event that hung with Heralds of Galactus. Now I feel like a lucky shot from a pea shooter could take him out
Yup. He was designed as a living weapon driven by Arthur's spirit and while Keith Giffens mini-series used that conceit to dispose of comic relief Drax and bring a leaner and meaner version into the modern era. That didn't last long. Still better than getting killed by heather than brought back later as mentally challenged.
 

mrmoose

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Dagger and ankh shaped throwing stars

I don't remember (or rather I've blocked it from my memory) did those throwing stars magically come back to him or did he have to like dig them out of bodies to get them back?

I just realized based on the logo in the OP that Guy Gardner Warrior also came out of Zero Hour. What a trash crossover. We also got Batman as an urban legend, they further convoluted Hawkman's origin, it aged members of the JSA for no reason, it rebooted the Legion (actually I didn't mind the new Legion), and besides Fate it launched such well-respected series as Extreme Justice, Primal Force, Xenobrood and Manhunter.

The only decent thing that came out of it was Starman.

Also I just read on Wiki that Guy Gardner had shapeshifting powers because editorial mandated it so that they could mimic the popularity of... Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. Either that's a mistake or editorial had no idea what MMPR was.
 

RiOrius

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I really liked when Ultimate Kitty Pryde learned to use her powers in reverse, becoming super dense/tough/strong. It made sense (well, comic book sense anyway) and gave her more tools to play with. Plus it helped her be the badass in combat that she was growing into as a leader.
 

Lulu

Saw the truth behind the copied door
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Oct 25, 2017
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Ichigo's Bankai was orginally a super speed buff it would have been really interesting seeing that explored more. Certainly more so than what it became.
 

BWoog

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Oct 27, 2017
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Both X-Men Related.

Best: Bobby Drake's god-like power boost that makes complete sense

Worst: Angel's "healing blood" because Chuck Austen,
 

B-Dubs

That's some catch, that catch-22
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I'm hoping he never masters the 100% strength like All Might and instead has to use the other quirks in interesting ways to win his fights. The potential is there, just got to hope Horikoshi doesn't turn Deku into yet another flawless shounen hero.
Nah, that's too much. Having more than one quirk is already way too OP, have 6 others, all of which are more powerful than normal, is way too much. I think what would have been better is if Deku had a totally shit quirk that he had to learn to use in creative ways.
 

Vic_Viper

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Bone Claw Wolverine wasnt the issue, it was when he just started turning Feral Wolverine and started to loose his nose for no reason lol.

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So dumb that he was like this one issue, then completely back to normal in the next, without ever a word about it again lol.
 

Matsukaze

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First ones that spring to mind:

Best:
Pucci transitioning from Whitesnake to C-Moon to Made in Heaven.

Whitesnake is one of my favorite Stands in all JoJo, but I can appreciate the story significance of its evolution, even though the means of that transformation is batshit crazy even by JoJo standards. The aesthetics are definitely a leap yet I still give Araki credit for being so resolute as to create Made in Heaven and break the hearts of fans everywhere.

Hated: Anytime Warren leaves his Archangel state and goes back to natural feathers
 

diakyu

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Dec 15, 2018
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Too soon to tell but I hate it.

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At least aesthetically it's dope lol, really does depend on how it's all handled though. This was my first thought entering the thread tbh. I like it because

it makes perfect sense when you really look at what All for One does. Add that to it happening due to quirks a whole becoming too strong, something foreshadowed in both the Overhaul arc and the arc with the toddlers, I think this was to be expected. Execution is still key. Deku being unable to control it is a good start.
 

squall23

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Oct 25, 2017
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Nah, that's too much. Having more than one quirk is already way too OP, have 6 others, all of which are more powerful than normal, is way too much. I think what would have been better is if Deku had a totally shit quirk that he had to learn to use in creative ways.
Isn't that Jojo? Seemingly useless powers and then REKT.
 

B-Dubs

That's some catch, that catch-22
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Isn't that Jojo? Seemingly useless powers and then REKT.
I feel like those are always the coolest powers in any series: the ones where you go "that shit is useless" but then it turns out that if you use it in a specific way it's really cool.
 

SolVanderlyn

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Oct 28, 2017
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Earth, 21st Century
Worst:

Sasuke going from cool lightning ninja with copy powers to weird ass handwing demon with EVIL lightning powers.

Look at this abomination

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Best: Same character getting a sword over the timeskip. And he eventually ditched the weird demon form too.
 

diakyu

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Dec 15, 2018
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For me it ain't too soon. That random ass upgrade sucks lol. I absolutely hate where he's going with that character.
This complaint is such a nonentity
They even show he has no idea how to use it or even how to get it to activate. And I guess a quirk that stockpiles power doing exactly that is random now? Really it will come to execution, it has potential to be total ass, but as it is now it really is too early
 

Terraforce

One Winged Slayer
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This complaint is such a nonentity
They even show he has no idea how to use it or even how to get it to activate. And I guess a quirk that stockpiles power doing exactly that is random now? Really it will come to execution, it has potential to be total ass, but as it is now it really is too early
Fair enough I guess, but the randomness comes down to the timing of the occurrence for me, not just the existence of said power up. It also just felt too much like generic shonen "I have this new strange ability I can't control" when it was first executed. But at this pace who knows when we'll even encounter it again lol
 

Rhaknar

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Oct 26, 2017
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best:

Problematic costume aside, Betsy going from boring shy telepath to badass ninja telepath with psyonic blade manisfestations

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worst

Psylocke gaining telekinesis... great, now shes like Jean, that's what we needed >_>
 

B-Dubs

That's some catch, that catch-22
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Oct 25, 2017
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This complaint is such a nonentity
They even show he has no idea how to use it or even how to get it to activate. And I guess a quirk that stockpiles power doing exactly that is random now? Really it will come to execution, it has potential to be total ass, but as it is now it really is too early
The issue is it's completely unneeded. Deku already had the best quirk in the series, now it's even better with no real reason for it. He just doesn't need the power-up at all. All Might's 100% was already super good and Deku's is above that (due to how the stockpiling works, each user of One for All is stronger than the last) so this is just complete overkill. Deku at 100% will already be the fastest, strongest hero to ever live. What does he need 6 more quirks for? In a world where everyone has one quirk, even having two is incredibly OP.
 

SupremeWu

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Electric superman was stupid as hell


Hated:

Bone claw Wolverine
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Before this, Magneto COULD NOT manipulate Adamantium! Cap was able to toss his shield right into Magneto's face.

But along comes Fabian Nicieza and he retcons Adamantium so we got bone claw Wolverine.

So just for the record, Magneto when he did this, his powers were RIDICULOUSLY jacked up to very high levels. He had some mutant helper that boosted him to this level. Before that, he could not really manipulate Adamantium to this degree. It was an out-lier but I do think the story mentioned it several times.

E -- He was powerful enough to put an entire giant metal island into orbit, for example. Stuff that was on a planetary scale.
 
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diakyu

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The issue is it's completely unneeded. Deku already had the best quirk in the series, now it's even better with no real reason for it. He just doesn't need the power-up at all. All Might's 100% was already super good and Deku's is above that (due to how the stockpiling works, each user of One for All is stronger than the last) so this is just complete overkill. Deku at 100% will already be the fastest, strongest hero to ever live. What does he need 6 more quirks for? In a world where everyone has one quirk, even having two is incredibly OP.
You make the mistake in assuming the other's have quirks and that if they do they are not total garbage. Black Whip could be the best one because Hori loves him some spider-man. Again, it's too early.
 

Illusion

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Gokudera from Hitman Reborn uses this amazing Box system that utylizes his intelegence, skill, and made him an extremely formidble fighter when using this new power/fighting style in the manga.

Then for his last "power-up" they made him jump back into throwing sticks of dynamite.

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Vic_Viper

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best:

Problematic costume aside, Betsy going from boring shy telepath to badass ninja telepath with psyonic blade manisfestations

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worst

Psylocke gaining telekinesis... great, now shes like Jean, that's what we needed >_>
Totally agree. Although I think the race changing was more problematic than the costume.

I wish they had just reverted her back to normal, but kept the badass Ninja abilities. They pretty much just took everything I loved about Betsy away when they reverted her back to her OG status.
 

B-Dubs

That's some catch, that catch-22
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You make the mistake in assuming the other's have quirks and that if they do they are not total garbage. Black Whip could be the best one because Hori loves him some spider-man. Again, it's too early.
Even if the other quirks he gets are total garbage, they'd still be powered up through One for All and they would still give him a huge advantage in any encounter he might be in. More quirks equals more options in a given fight. More options means you have a huge advantage over the other guy. This is literally the rich get richer and there's no real narrative justification for it. We saw that All Might's (weaker) version of One for All was enough to beat All for One (who is the biggest bad in the history of this world), so what does Deku need a power-up for?
 

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Naruto from underdog nobody loser who only has stamina on his side against much more competent opponents, geniuses who underestimate him due to his peasant ass lineage.

LOLJK HE'S ACTUALLY PART OF LIKE THE STRONGEST CLAN EVER! AND HE'S NATURALLY TALENTED AND MORE AMAZINGERR THAN EVERYONE ELSE! FUCK HARD WORK! LMAO! DID WE FORGET TO MENTION THAT? WOW CRAZY.
 

Maximum Spider

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Naruto from underdog nobody loser who only has stamina on his side against much more competent opponents, geniuses who underestimate him due to his peasant ass lineage.

LOLJK HE'S ACTUALLY PART OF LIKE THE STRONGEST CLAN EVER! AND HE'S NATURALLY TALENTED AND MORE AMAZINGERR THAN EVERYONE ELSE! FUCK HARD WORK! LMAO! DID WE FORGET TO MENTION THAT? WOW CRAZY.
This really annoyed me about Yusuke in Yu Yu Hakusho. Making him the ancestor of a super-powerful demon made him a worse character. His transformation looked terrible too.