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Netflix cancels Daredevil
- Thread starter Sibersk Esto
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Those examples are from the comics division. That's not the same setup as the Netflix shows, and again it's not *me* saying anything, it's what the Hollywood trades — people who are actually in the know — are saying. I haven't seen them yet say that this is all Disney's call as a way of shoring up their properties, they've all been consistent that the cancellations have been Netflix's decisions and have explained the reasons behind them.
Like I said, Netflix has been moving from licensed to original content for a while now, and this is part of that. They don't need to put up with the hassles of working with Marvel TV anymore because they don't *need* Marvel anymore. If the shows are expensive to make, aren't easy to renegotiate to their needs (e.g. episode orders), get poor viewing numbers, and they don't even own them, then why bother putting up with them anymore? It's easier, cheaper, and makes for a better fit into Netflix's overall business model today to just cut the Marvel shows loose.
I don't think a lot of you get that production on this series has stopped. Cast, crew, they're in the wind. Sets are probably being dismantled as we speak.
This isn't being secretly being moved to Disney+ or Hulu (Disney can't even make unilateral decisions on Hulu since they don't own majority yet). These are over.
Could they bring it back? If Disney/Marvel Television really wanted to, yeah, they could. But why would they?
This isn't being secretly being moved to Disney+ or Hulu (Disney can't even make unilateral decisions on Hulu since they don't own majority yet). These are over.
Could they bring it back? If Disney/Marvel Television really wanted to, yeah, they could. But why would they?
It's such a bum deal. :(
Note: opportunity to appear, it does not mean to star or be in a Daredevil movie. That is a whole other contract.
Seems like miscommunication, I didn't mean a Daredevil movie. I meant that he could appear in a MCU movie, either theatrical or Disney+ .
Ah gotcha. Yeah they could have exercised that option for a "day player" type of role and perhaps renegotiate on a larger scale to appear for more than that, but it was a kind of "good faith, we can talk about it in the future" type of thing that is technically in writing but not really specific.
The Netflix/Marvel deal, though, is kind of messy and complicated. I don't think Marvel Studios wanted to really get into it and apparently they don't like dealing with Netflix all that much (and vice versa).
Yeah even if they were to get the cast back again, it wouldn't be the same show. It's the whole crew that made Daredevil head and shoulders above other comic shows. The show had a distinct look and "feel" and chemistry.
Really makes me sad
I honestly half think Marvel was expecting the shows to end after the Defenders and never intended them to keep going after that.
I'm not paying for your steaming service disney. Pull as much as you want off netflix lol. Liked DD but I am bored of the same old cape shit anyway
Marvel Productions had cast and crew under contract for a set amount of seasons (across all brands, which is why there are crossovers) so they expected stuff after Defenders for at least a few years that were planned, however that's between Marvel and the actors, writers etc... Netflix isn't involved on that. Netflix as distributor pulled their distribution deal early with Marvel likely because they're pissed at Disney and are nixing anything Disney owns off their service.
Obviously Marvel is retaining rights to all these characters, though I don't know if Disney+ is an option or would fit what Disney wants to do on that service.
Does Marvel write the shows?
Because all of them ended on cliffhangers so no one told the writers.
yeah, the last episode pretty much works as a series finale, everything is wrapped up tightly, no loose ends. (aside from a 10 second stinger/tease at the very end, that may or may not have ever come to fruition even if there were a 4th season)
Yes, Marvel Entertainment handles all that.
Netflix is essentially ending their deal with Marvel before they can complete their series.
If the other shows (Cage, Fist) got news like I know the Daredevil folks did, then it's a blindside and they had their final seasons planned (because that would have been the end of most of the contracts I think). DD was in preproduction scouting locations and writing scripts. They planned to shoot in Feb/March I think.
Yeah I think the LC stuff bothers me because the ending of it was pretty open ended and I would've liked to see what happened next. I think S2 of LC was probably my favorite season next to JJ S1.
Jessica Jones and Punisher are still technically not cancelled but they will be. Netflix should just announce it now at this point but they're stringing people along.
OH forgot about those! Yeah they'll probably be canceled too. Wow
Yup. Clean break.
They can probably just bury it.
Watchmen I believe.
I say Watchmen, I meant Watchmen with the serial numbers filed off or Jupiter's Legacy as it's known.
I don't know if it steals Watchmen's core concept for certain but it's bound to be pinched off something.
lol so HBO is getting Watchmen and Netflix is getting Millar Watchmen.
Marvel has posted an update -
https://www.marvel.com/articles/tv-shows/an-update-on-marvel-s-daredevil
https://www.marvel.com/articles/tv-shows/an-update-on-marvel-s-daredevil
Without any plans it's hard to take, "We look forward to more adventures with the Man without Fear in the future." very seriously other than to just string fans along.
I really don't see what either side has to gain by sitting on their asses and letting quality material die. From the Netflix perspective, if you're not wanting to pursue and prop up a competitors IP then surely it'd be better to work out a way to sell the suite of properties and the streaming rights of currently released seasons to Disney?
And from Disney's side, they need content. Reboots are a huge risk when current iterations already have a fanbase.
And from Disney's side, they need content. Reboots are a huge risk when current iterations already have a fanbase.
So it sounds like whatever Netflix is paying for these shows isnt worth the ratings/boost to Netflix viewership.
There was massive hype when DD S1 launched but it's died down since.
They probably expected Defenders to do gangbusters but it had the opposite effect.
It could be some of that, but I've heard this was a "political" move from higher ups so not sure what that means TBH. I assume it's Netflix being petty about Disney+ but that's me filling in holes. It could also be Disney higher ups consolidating their IP and working a deal with Netflix to end the shows (but I feel they would have not had people under their employment in preproduction on shows and under exclusive contracts if that was the case, then again Disney treats its employees like shit most times so...).
Considering that many feel the last seasons of all the Marvel shows got things right, I just don't see the logic other than people high up at Netflix wanting to abandon all things Disney owns (since it's going away anyways) to refocus resources on their own stuff internally which they are doing more and more.
Little bummed by this, what is the chances Marvel was like "if you want to continue using them you will owe us X amount of money" and Nerflix was just like "nope"
Hate how ambiguous this is. It could literally mean anything lol. They pulled the same crap with Iron Fist when it was cancelled, by saying something like Iron Fist will live on, and then linked to this Typhoid Mary comicbook mini that barely features Iron Fist (because of course his on-going was already cancelled).
Shocker... Not really. Aside from supposed falling metrics, Netflix (and probably Disney too) is cleaning house.
Jessica Jones and Punisher will be too after the seasons are released.
Jessica Jones and Punisher will be too after the seasons are released.
That was the original plan though. 1 season for each Defender culminating in a Defenders mini-series. But because DD S1 was a big success, they decided to do a second season of it and revise the plan for the other shows as well.
Sucks.
They don't admit it, but this is all to do with the new Disney streaming service becoming a thing. Surely Marvel/Papa Disney didn't want Marvel IP's to keep being produced on a now rival service. Even worse Netflix shows and their hard R level of violence probably will never materialize over there on Disney's service, so I'm guessing is even if any of the characters or some form of their shows show up over there, expect the overall tone to be toned down and more in line wiith the MCU films. That is if they aren't just completely re-cast and reimagined altogether.
They don't admit it, but this is all to do with the new Disney streaming service becoming a thing. Surely Marvel/Papa Disney didn't want Marvel IP's to keep being produced on a now rival service. Even worse Netflix shows and their hard R level of violence probably will never materialize over there on Disney's service, so I'm guessing is even if any of the characters or some form of their shows show up over there, expect the overall tone to be toned down and more in line wiith the MCU films. That is if they aren't just completely re-cast and reimagined altogether.
