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Netflix's dark comedy show, Russian Doll, out now

Oct 28, 2017
12,660
I felt like the conclusion was ultimately not satisfying.
It all plays out without any exciting twists or creative plot developments. Nadia and Alan never really get to reflect on their journey because they get shunted into different realities and never see each other again.
 

Queen Kong

Out of Kongtrol
Moderator
Oct 27, 2017
2,197
This show gets absolutely mind-fuckery around the middle episodes. Great stuff!
I was hoping for Amy's cameo seeing her name in the credit, but I suppose it'd ruin immersion.
 
Oct 25, 2017
7,086
Too much like a generic stuck in-time film that copied others that came way before it?
You should read the thread (I walked that comment back on the same page so you wouldn't have had to scroll far). Also, it's easy to see how someone would compare it to that first even though said film wasn't totally original. They both contain abrasive women who keep dying on their birthday and it's clear that they have to solve some problem/grow as a person to break the loop.

But yeah . . . that was a hot take from over a month ago, before the show had aired.
 
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Oct 28, 2017
2,951
I had to turn this off after a few minutes. The dialogue was just the worst. I love Amy Poehler, so this was pretty disappointing.
 
Oct 25, 2017
13,740
You should read the thread (I walked that comment back on the same page so you wouldn't have had to scroll far). Also, it's easy to see how someone would compare it to that first even though said film wasn't totally original. They both contain abrasive women who keep dying on their birthday and it's clear that they have to solve some problem/grow as a person to break the loop.

But yeah . . . that was a hot take from over a month ago, before the show had aired.
It was a silly take which is why you walked it back. No need to be so defensive.
 
Oct 25, 2017
421
I felt like the conclusion was ultimately not satisfying.
It all plays out without any exciting twists or creative plot developments. Nadia and Alan never really get to reflect on their journey because they get shunted into different realities and never see each other again.
I advise you to look at the last few minutes of the show again, make note of the visual markers of each that differentiate them!
 
Oct 25, 2017
7,086
It was a silly take which is why you walked it back. No need to be so defensive.
Oh I know. But when replying to an old thread you shouldn't just jump on the first reply when the person who made it probably said more later in the thread. So, yeah, maybe I was defensive, but what you did is also silly. People seem too concerned with coming off as snarky or having a "gotcha" moment online.

I can admit when I'm wrong, though. It was a hot take and I basically said it down the page.

All I'm saying is at least read the first page lol :P
 
Oct 25, 2017
13,740
Oh I know. But when replying to an old thread you shouldn't just jump on the first reply when the person who made it probably said more later in the thread. So, yeah, maybe I was defensive, but what you did is also silly. People seem too concerned with coming off as snarky or having a "gotcha" moment online.

I can admit when I'm wrong, though. It was a hot take and I basically said it down the page.

All I'm saying is at least read the first page lol :P
I you have me at "not reading" for sure that was dumb, but not the rest. Silly comments deserve call outs. :p
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,325
Finally checked this out. Natasha Lyonne was by far my favorite actor on OITNB(before I gave up on it) so it was awesome to see her carry a show on her own. Had a pretty good time.
 
Oct 2, 2018
993
btw, I finished the season and it was alright. Not like OMG wow... just alright. I'd say a passable 6.5/10 for the season. good thing is was short. When they

split the timeline into two seperate ones

I was like yup, they wrote themselves into a hole and needed an out for the plot. It really wasn't all that interesting at that end of it all
 
Oct 27, 2017
343
Tn, USA
Ehh... I feel this is unfair. After the first couple of episodes which feel admittedly a bit purposeless, there's not a second of wasted footage: everything from then on is meaningful to the story. I can't think of anything that could be cut without being detrimental to the whole; even those first few episodes' seemingly irrelevant repetition and aimless quests are necessary to estabilish the setting, and lull the viewer into the rhythm of a conventional Groundhog Loop story so the show is able to pull the rug under them later. "Feature length" implies cutting the running time in half and I can't imagine how one could do that without mutilating the story beyond all recognition.
Oh, they could EASILY trim half the running time. Think about all the repeated times she leaves the bathroom. They replay those first few minutes over and over, and while there is a payoff to it at the very end, 2-3 repetitions would have worked as well as all 15 or whatever. Plus there are entire subplots that could have been cut out with no impact on the heart of the story. Heck, I'm pretty sure there were scenes inserted just to serve as back drop for the soundtrack. While I think the end result was pretty good, it often felt bloated and self-indulgent. It was too intricate for a weekly release (though I wonder what the conversation would have been if it was in that format) but too long for a real binge watch to keep the early details in mind towards the end.

If anything, this would be a good case for a 2 hour movie edited from the series. Let folks watch both and decide for themselves.
 
Oct 26, 2017
8,877
Madrid
I felt like the conclusion was ultimately not satisfying.
It all plays out without any exciting twists or creative plot developments. Nadia and Alan never really get to reflect on their journey because they get shunted into different realities and never see each other again.
Apparently, that's not what happens.
The timelines converge at the end. Watch the scarves / handkerchiefs.

Oh, they could EASILY trim half the running time. Think about all the repeated times she leaves the bathroom. They replay those first few minutes over and over, and while there is a payoff to it at the very end, 2-3 repetitions would have worked as well as all 15 or whatever. Plus there are entire subplots that could have been cut out with no impact on the heart of the story. Heck, I'm pretty sure there were scenes inserted just to serve as back drop for the soundtrack. While I think the end result was pretty good, it often felt bloated and self-indulgent. It was too intricate for a weekly release (though I wonder what the conversation would have been if it was in that format) but too long for a real binge watch to keep the early details in mind towards the end.

If anything, this would be a good case for a 2 hour movie edited from the series. Let folks watch both and decide for themselves.
I dunno, I feel people just don't have the patience to let a story breathe anymore, and I find this extremely sad. It's a time loop story, complaining "the same scene repeats too many times" is weird and kind of missing the point.
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,740
New York
It was a fun watch with some great acting by Lyonne. Really liked some of the side characters too like Maxine, I have a fire escape!?, but the ending was a bit flat and simple given everything leading up to it and it didn't really make any sense. Like shit was falling apart, they're spontaneously dying upon seeing her younger self and the resolution to that and getting back to a repaired and whole world felt unearned and random. Then the two of them saving each other felt pretty abrupt too. But besides that I liked it.
 
Oct 27, 2017
3,453
I advise you to look at the last few minutes of the show again, make note of the visual markers of each that differentiate them!
Were there any? Honestly besides the obvious two timeline differences I didn't catch on anything

Apparently, that's not what happens.
The timelines converge at the end. Watch the scarves / handkerchiefs.
I thought it was just a visual thing, like a direction choice to show everything ends in a nice, good way? Was that supposed to be taken as a merge of the timelines? Seem a bit of stretch, unless the creators of the show said so themselves
 
Oct 26, 2017
8,877
Madrid
Were there any? Honestly besides the obvious two timeline differences I didn't catch on anything


I thought it was just a visual thing, like a direction choice to show everything ends in a nice, good way? Was that supposed to be taken as a merge of the timelines? Seem a bit of stretch, unless the creators of the show said so themselves
Sorry to repeat myself, but rewatch the scene.

The Nadia in Nadia-saves-Alan wears a white handkerchief over her shirt, unlike the Nadia in Alan-saves-Nadia. Conversely, Alan wears a red handkerchief in Alan-saves-Nadia, but not in Nadia-saves-Alan. When the split screen merges at the end, both Nadia and Alan are wearing their respective handkerchiefs, in the same scene / camera. There is no ambiguity to it unless you believe the show is physically, literally lying to you.
 
Oct 28, 2017
12,660
Apparently, that's not what happens.
The timelines converge at the end. Watch the scarves / handkerchiefs.



I dunno, I feel people just don't have the patience to let a story breathe anymore, and I find this extremely sad. It's a time loop story, complaining "the same scene repeats too many times" is weird and kind of missing the point.
Oh, well that was subtle. Cool beans.
 
Oct 25, 2017
1,775
Canada
This show wholly confirms the need for more woman-driven content in media. All-woman writer's room, all-woman production leads, 98% Rotten Tomatoes, early Emmy contender, positive viewer feedback.
 
Oct 25, 2017
7,719
I really enjoyed this. Well made and well acted. On the ending though

What does the end mean? I get people talking about timelines getting merged, but what's the deal with the weird day of the dead parade happening? Like the homeless dude wore a horse head and there was a bunch of that in the parade. Seemed needlessly obtuse.
 
Oct 25, 2017
2,086
I really enjoyed this. Well made and well acted. On the ending though

What does the end mean? I get people talking about timelines getting merged, but what's the deal with the weird day of the dead parade happening? Like the homeless dude wore a horse head and there was a bunch of that in the parade. Seemed needlessly obtuse.
It's apparently a reference to

the Bread and Puppet Theater that did these kinds of parades in NYC back in the day. Leslye Headland also noted it's a sort of curtain call for the show.
 
Oct 25, 2017
2,931
Finally got round to finishing the last two episodes, what a fantastic and amazing show it is.

the reveal of them fixing the loop ut being in separate timeliness was a gut punch but them managing to save each other and them merge them back was really heartwarming and a great way to end the season.

Not sure how they would continue it after this season but I would just be happy to see the characters back together.
 
Nov 7, 2017
14,394
Ok ome thing, it's not a comedy. Not really at all. Disappointed on that.

Then everyone hyped it up so much and it took like 6 episodes to get going and when it finally did it ended in two weird relationships where one person knows too much about them but not actually them on both sides like Oblivion with Tom Cruise where it's supposed to be sappy as the intent but just comes across as creepy.

Edit: also the lead guy being annoying as hell doesnt hurt
 
Oct 25, 2017
2,931
Ok ome thing, it's not a comedy. Not really at all. Disappointed on that.

Then everyone hyped it up so much and it took like 6 episodes to get going and when it finally did it ended in two weird relationships where one person knows too much about them but not actually them on both sides like Oblivion with Tom Cruise where it's supposed to be sappy as the intent but just comes across as creepy.

Edit: also the lead guy being annoying as hell doesnt hurt
I don't think you understand the actual conclusion to the show at all, judging from this comment.

And while it's very sombre and dramatic at times, there is a lot of comedy too.
 
Oct 25, 2017
573
That was one of the first things that struck me about the show. The HDR implementation and color grading in this show was AMAZING. Whoever was responsible for it should get hired on WAAAY MORE projects. Wish more films had this quality implementation of HDR. So many movies have such a conservative HDR master.
Yes! As a colorist myself I was also in awe of the work the colorist and DP accomplished here. Hats off to them both; very rarely when I watch anything anymore do I feel like I need to know how they did it (and take a peek at their DaVinci Resolve project or whatever program they used to finish) but I’d love an opportunity to pick their brains about it. Hopefully by the time I’m ready for a rewatch ahead of season 2 I’ll be able to watch it in HDR. And even though I’m geeking out about the color work, I loved everything else about this season just as much. Looking forward to seeing where this goes next.
 
Oct 26, 2017
12,330
Yes! As a colorist myself I was also in awe of the work the colorist and DP accomplished here. Hats off to them both; very rarely when I watch anything anymore do I feel like I need to know how they did it (and take a peek at their DaVinci Resolve project or whatever program they used to finish) but I’d love an opportunity to pick their brains about it. Hopefully by the time I’m ready for a rewatch ahead of season 2 I’ll be able to watch it in HDR. And even though I’m geeking out about the color work, I loved everything else about this season just as much. Looking forward to seeing where this goes next.
I wonder how much of that can be contributed to the fact that aside from the external settings most of the show takes place in a very few places at the very few times of day. The apartments are such lovingly detailed sets that are either the dead of night or 8 am-ish.

Not trying to downplay it, cuz I agree; the colour space of the show is fantastic and says a lot about the prople occupying these spaces. Just that the concept allows them a lot more time to figure out exactly how to build, light, and shoot in some spaces so they can really hone in on it.
 
Nov 7, 2017
14,394
the way the season ended, because they had saved each other they merged the timelines, you can tell by the clothes they are wearing. So next season they should remember each other and not be about one not knowing the other.
That's partially what I thought when the side by sides were merging

Neat
 
Oct 25, 2017
573
I wonder how much of that can be contributed to the fact that aside from the external settings most of the show takes place in a very few places at the very few times of day. The apartments are such lovingly detailed sets that are either the dead of night or 8 am-ish.

Not trying to downplay it, cuz I agree; the colour space of the show is fantastic and says a lot about the prople occupying these spaces. Just that the concept allows them a lot more time to figure out exactly how to build, light, and shoot in some spaces so they can really hone in on it.
Sure, most of the show is shot in controlled environments, but I wouldn’t want to undersell just how bold the DP was in how they painted the room with swatches of color. A less thoughtful, precise placement of colored lights would come off as distracting and confusing to the viewer. Or on the colorist side, if it isn’t shot well or lit well, pushing saturation as far as this show does (which is very far) often causes the overall composition to fall apart if it doesn’t also become distracting and confusing to look at too. I’ve worked on more than my fair share of projects where I had to back off an overall color palette I or the director had in mind for the above mentioned reasons.

And this is all DP/Colorist 101, but a show with as bold a palette as this one has many more potential points of failure. If neither did their job right, the viewer wouldn’t know where to look because any one of the many sources and colors of light they use could draw eyes away from whoever or whatever’s supposed to be the subject of the shot. They utilized their sets very well from a blocking, lighting, and color perspective, and it’s hard to understate (and clearly communicate) how tight a creative tightrope it is that they set out to walk.
 
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Oct 25, 2017
2,567
Just finished it and loved it.

Curious if they do go for more seasons (with it being pitched as 3 seasons) but I feel it ended really nicely so if there isn't more I'm satisfied.

That song though. Don't know how it's by or if it's popular but fucking heard it today when out with friends and it fucking got me. Had to double check I wasn't in a loop.
 
Oct 27, 2017
462
I liked it. I didn't think I would with the first episode but I found it interesting and funny, even if the idea has been done before.
I'm in if there's a second season.
 

Kevers

The Fallen
Oct 29, 2017
6,102
Syracuse, NY
Just finished it and loved it.

Curious if they do go for more seasons (with it being pitched as 3 seasons) but I feel it ended really nicely so if there isn't more I'm satisfied.

That song though. Don't know how it's by or if it's popular but fucking heard it today when out with friends and it fucking got me. Had to double check I wasn't in a loop.
Harry Nilsson album called Nilsson Schmilsson, it's pretty famous I'm sure you'll recognize a few more songs off it if you looked it up.
 
Oct 28, 2017
1,423
Just finished it. This show turned out to be a wonderful surprise. I found it fantastic and loved everything about it. Will definitely recommend it to anyone looking for a new show to binge.
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,384
Massachusetts
I'm working through it but I'm pleasantly surprised. Just finished the episode where she died by
freezing outside with the homeless guy.
They're getting creative. I'm enjoying it quite a bit.
 
Oct 31, 2017
4,853
Just finished the show and loved it. I hope if they're gonna do a another season it's gonna be two different people with different stuff to work through.

And that song that plays is now stuck in my head.

Gotta get up,
gotta get out,
gotta get home before the mooooorning comes
 
Oct 28, 2017
3,109
This show is insufferable at first, but then you get to eps 4 and it finally got interesting. Should've trimmed the first 3 into 1 and a half eps or something.