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Everyone can be involved too. Eat less meat, that's it.
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Netherlands: Meat substitutes on the rise (+51%), meat sales are falling (beef, pork down 9%)
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Everyone can be involved too. Eat less meat, that's it.
Pig Ebola in China is going to have huge ramifications when China start running out of their frozen stocks.
It's the stuff for using as an alternative to chicken when making a curry that I'm looking for. For now I've been using mushrooms, chickpeas, and lentils sometimes instead of chicken or minced beef.
My local supermarkets are Lidl and Jumbo, so I don't often go to Albert Heijn or Dirk van de Broek, so I'll have to check them out sometime (I liked Dirk on the odd occasion that I've been there, AH on the other hand seemed really expensive).
Really?? Quorn is everywhere? Although Albert Heijn has been replacing it with de vegetarische slager products slowly.
Really? I couldn't find it in either the Lidl or Jumbo near my house.
I tend to avoid Albert Heijn because stuff there is even more overpriced than other Dutch supermarkets.
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Ah alright, not sure if they have those here. We usually throw these in a curry, although they're already seasoned (and are probably less healthy?): https://www.vivera.com/nl/product/vivera-wokreepjes-gekruid
Albert Heijn is expensive indeed, although if you have a personal AH Bonus card, they offer you weekly personal bonus products and if you buy mostly vegetarian products, Quorn is one of the brands that appears a lot in the discounted items, most of the time with 25 % discount on all or most of their products.
They're pretty fucking great. The beef replacements best of all. The only thing I still feel is lacking is chicken. Still kinda eh.
Same here, meat is for eating out. Rest of the time it's either fish or straight up vegetarian. And it really helps that these meat substitutes taste as good as they do.
Great!. But The Netherland still has a long way to go to become more sustainable. We're the worst when it comes meeting the climate change goals.
But yeah, we eat a lot less meat here at home. And the meat we do eat is from animals that had a good life. Better quality and more tasty with less hormones and anti biotics and shit. It's more expensive so also a good reason to eat less of it.
But yeah, we eat a lot less meat here at home. And the meat we do eat is from animals that had a good life. Better quality and more tasty with less hormones and anti biotics and shit. It's more expensive so also a good reason to eat less of it.
Not even that. veggies and mushrooms are great. Can't stand Tempeh or tofu. No idea what people like about that. I do like soja beans on their own though..
Tofu is fine, but not as a meat replacement. The obsession with making it as close to meat as possible never made any sense to me. There are much better plant based alternatives, and tofu is best when left as a spongy flavour absorber and not as a fake meat.
Interesting.
The PR from De Vegetarische Slager (the vegetarian butcher) definitely helped I think. It's not quite as good as meat and very expensive, but I find myself buying it quite often as a animal friendly alternative.
I would imagine the most important change however is that animal welfare quality seal.
I made it a point to not buy any meat without at least 1*, and I would be interested to see which sectors are hit hardest, if more people have started doing this.
It also helped recognizing that everything below 3* is still very cruel. Buy as little pork as possible.
Also the rest of the world needs to get in on this animal welfare seal as quickly as possible.
The PR from De Vegetarische Slager (the vegetarian butcher) definitely helped I think. It's not quite as good as meat and very expensive, but I find myself buying it quite often as a animal friendly alternative.
I would imagine the most important change however is that animal welfare quality seal.
I made it a point to not buy any meat without at least 1*, and I would be interested to see which sectors are hit hardest, if more people have started doing this.
It also helped recognizing that everything below 3* is still very cruel. Buy as little pork as possible.
Also the rest of the world needs to get in on this animal welfare seal as quickly as possible.
Progress!
Though I would still love meat available to me in lab grown form. Still very much support the reduction and dependence on mass production of livestock slaughter
Though I would still love meat available to me in lab grown form. Still very much support the reduction and dependence on mass production of livestock slaughter
Yes, hope this trend propagates on the global scale.
Chicken however...I love it so much. I could live a beefless life with what the Beyond brand has created, it's a neat placebo. Chicken though, it's my sacred meat.
Chicken however...I love it so much. I could live a beefless life with what the Beyond brand has created, it's a neat placebo. Chicken though, it's my sacred meat.
Something must be off or wrong with that research.
I've been to enough different supermarkets over the last 15 years in the Netherlands to know which ones are costing me less or more money. This is especially true for Lidl and Jumbo, as I still shop at both regularly, and no-one will ever convince me that that Jumbo is cheaper than Lidl, because it definitely isn't.
Anecdotally, but I've definitely seen more vegetarian/vegan options in the supermarkets and snack bars, and it seems to be doing fine, so there's obviously a market.
Off-topic; don't care about frikandel, but I'm having a real hard time finding smulrol (horse meat).
Off-topic; don't care about frikandel, but I'm having a real hard time finding smulrol (horse meat).
So because of your anecdotal evidence, a yearly Kassa research is off or wrong?
Do you buy similar products at Jumbo and Lidl? Because that is the premise of the reasearch. If you buy 27 common basic budget products at those supermarkets, Aldi and Lidl are most expensive and Dirk is cheapest. They even explain why in the article.
https://kassa.bnnvara.nl/nieuws/budgetboodschappen-goedkoper-dan-in-2018
Edit: It is entirely possible that for products you personally usually buy to pay less at Lidl. But if you want the cheapest, basic groceries, it is not the cheapest at all.
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Yes I've bought many similar products at Jumbo and Lidl. In fact, I used to only shop at Jumbo, then I switched to Lidl because I saved money by shopping there instead. The main reason I still sometimes go to Jumbo is just because of the longer opening hours, and it always ends up being more expensive.
Sorry, but if the "research" conflicts with my own first-hand personal experience, then I have to side with my own experience, and that experience is that Lidl is cheaper than Jumbo.
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The test is not wrong, but when I personally go to Aldi or Lidl, I'm more likely to pick up the items that actually are used in this test, while at other super markets, I'm more likely to pick up at least some of the more expensive alternatives, even if I don't care much about brands. Reactions to the test also mention that when it comes to quality for price, Aldi / Lidl are still king for the most part.
Dirk however does have great prices as well. Jumbo / AH are the super markets where it happens to me most often that I'm negatively surprised about the price when I'm at the checkout.
Like I said in the edit, It is entirely possible that for products you personally usually buy to pay less at Lidl. But if you want the cheapest, basic groceries, it is not the cheapest at all. So saying AH is the most expensive is factually wrong. It might be most expensive for the type of groceries YOU buy though.
Well, I didn't say Albert Heijn was the most expensive; I just said that it's more expensive, which it is, based on my 15 years of actual continuous real world experience in grocery shopping from a range of far more than just 27 items (vs. Kassa's "research", which is literally nothing more than an (easily manipulated) snapshot).
We gotta get that number down even more. Meat substitutes have been great for me. I stopped eating beef for awhile and when I started eating it again it was way too harsh on my stomach and made me sick. If I eat beef now, it is usually as a special treat like going to get KBBQ. I can still eat pork but I hate pork. Beyond meat, seitan (but I try to limit this since it is gluten), and other meat-like products have allowed me to enjoy foods I can't eat or dislike eating again.
Meat substitutes are definitely the future we should be investing in. Less methane, less animal cruelty. Everybody wins.
Meat substitutes are definitely the future we should be investing in. Less methane, less animal cruelty. Everybody wins.
They taste okay and offer a great substitute but it definitely doesn't taste the same. If you eat meat, I don't think they taste good enough to sway you away.
Out of curiosity, anyone know the nutritional value of the substitutes compared to the real thing?
I think its fucking great that in that part of the world where there are abundance of ways for people to get their daily protein and calories people are eating less harmfully for the environment
I hope those numbers keep on rising in the coming decades across europe
I hope those numbers keep on rising in the coming decades across europe
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It doesn't taste exactly like beef, but it does have the texture of ground meat and has a more gamey flavor to it.
Depending on the brand of substitute meat, if someone told you it's just a gamey meat that has been turned into a burger, nobody would argue.
The fact we're already so close to having a near 1:1 imitation is a major step forward that tells me replacement red meat is going to completely disrupt the beef industry, and it's going to be brutal and swift like many disruptive technologies.
Also, the substitute stuff is not healthy. But you're eating burgers, it's not supposed to be.
There have been some uncharacteristically dumb decisions by the EU on this matter.
That's a normal response, if you stop eating red meat for a long while and start eating it again, your body hasn't re-adjusted to breaking down the proteins.
EU and agriculture ... ;)
Anyway, there is money to be made from the hype as long as people are willing to pay more or the same for pseudo-meat
To replace a burger is much easier than to replace a steak. We'll probably need synthetic meat to do so, I can't see a perfect steak made from peas anytime soon.