Yup.Good. Hopefully the rest of the world follows suit sooner rather than later.
Everyone can be involved too. Eat less meat, that's it.
Yup.Good. Hopefully the rest of the world follows suit sooner rather than later.
Pig Ebola in China is going to have huge ramifications when China start running out of their frozen stocks.Numbers are since 2017:
Meat substitutes: +51%
Beef, pork, game meat: -9%
Chicken: +2% since 2017, but -0.4% in the past six months
Also, vegetarian options have risen by 33 percent since 2016 to over 100 different products at the two biggest super markets
Some perspective though: even if the meat market contracted, total revenue of the meat industry is still 2.6 billion euros here, of which 123 million was spent on meat substitutes, only 4.5 percents.
Dutch article: https://nos.nl/artikel/2297492-vleesvervangers-bezig-met-snelle-opmars-verkoop-vlees-daalt.html
Google translation: https://translate.google.com/#view=home&op=translate&sl=nl&tl=en&text=https://nos.nl/artikel/2297492-vleesvervangers-bezig-met-snelle-opmars-verkoop-vlees-daalt.html
Great news imo and according to the article, the meat industry is getting a bit worried and some of them are even starting to get into meat substitutes themselves. Personally I've noticed a lot of new products and improved products popping up left and right, it's never been easier to be a vegetarian.
As I said in some earlier threads: this is why our actions do matter by letting our money talk. The government didn't do this, the government won't do this, but every dollar spent on a meat replacement instead of on actual meat hurts this industry and will make those companies change even if they don't want to.
Let's hope this'll turn into a snowball effect with meat replacements getting cheaper and meat getting more expensive simply through a change in demand.
It's the stuff for using as an alternative to chicken when making a curry that I'm looking for. For now I've been using mushrooms, chickpeas, and lentils sometimes instead of chicken or minced beef.Albert Heijn has Quorn 'meat slices' for on bread here, not sure about their dinner meat alternatives in our local store. Dirk nearby us does have a couple of them.
And yet I still can't find anywhere in Netherlands to buy Quorn.
Really? I couldn't find it in either the Lidl or Jumbo near my house.Really?? Quorn is everywhere? Although Albert Heijn has been replacing it with de vegetarische slager products slowly.
Ah alright, not sure if they have those here. We usually throw these in a curry, although they're already seasoned (and are probably less healthy?): https://www.vivera.com/nl/product/vivera-wokreepjes-gekruidIt's the stuff for using as an alternative to chicken when making a curry that I'm looking for. For now I've been using mushrooms, chickpeas, and lentils sometimes instead of chicken or minced beef.
My local supermarkets are Lidl and Jumbo, so I don't often go to Albert Heijn or Dirk van de Broek, so I'll have to check them out sometime (I liked Dirk on the odd occasion that I've been there, AH on the other hand seemed really expensive).
Really? I couldn't find it in either the Lidl or Jumbo near my house.
I tend to avoid Albert Heijn because stuff there is even more overpriced than other Dutch supermarkets.
What do these replacement meat products taste like? And what texture are they?
Can't argue with that.Frikandel is the worst Dutch snack. Bitterbal and kroket are better. Bamihap is the best.
Really good news! I only eat beef sometimes when I'm at the restaurant now
Not even that. veggies and mushrooms are great. Can't stand Tempeh or tofu. No idea what people like about that. I do like soja beans on their own though..I've never been a fan of meat-substitutes, I much prefer to replace meat with stuff like mushroom, tempeh or tahoe.
Something must be off or wrong with that research.
Something must be off or wrong with that research.
I've been to enough different supermarkets over the last 15 years in the Netherlands to know which ones are costing me less or more money. This is especially true for Lidl and Jumbo, as I still shop at both regularly, and no-one will ever convince me that that Jumbo is cheaper than Lidl, because it definitely isn't.
Doubt they will, most will see the signs and diversifyCan't wait for the meat industry to really ramp up their lobbying war against the substitutes.
And yet I still can't find anywhere in Netherlands to buy Quorn.
Yes I've bought many similar products at Jumbo and Lidl. In fact, I used to only shop at Jumbo, then I switched to Lidl because I saved money by shopping there instead. The main reason I still sometimes go to Jumbo is just because of the longer opening hours, and it always ends up being more expensive.So because of your anecdotal evidence, a yearly Kassa research is off or wrong?
Do you buy similar products at Jumbo and Lidl? Because that is the premise of the reasearch. If you buy 27 common basic budget products at those supermarkets, Aldi and Lidl are most expensive and Dirk is cheapest. They even explain why in the article.
https://kassa.bnnvara.nl/nieuws/budgetboodschappen-goedkoper-dan-in-2018
The test is not wrong, but when I personally go to Aldi or Lidl, I'm more likely to pick up the items that actually are used in this test, while at other super markets, I'm more likely to pick up at least some of the more expensive alternatives, even if I don't care much about brands. Reactions to the test also mention that when it comes to quality for price, Aldi / Lidl are still king for the most part.So because of your anecdotal evidence, a yearly Kassa research is off or wrong?
Do you buy similar products at Jumbo and Lidl? Because that is the premise of the reasearch. If you buy 27 common basic budget products at those supermarkets, Aldi and Lidl are most expensive and Dirk is cheapest. They even explain why in the article.
https://kassa.bnnvara.nl/nieuws/budgetboodschappen-goedkoper-dan-in-2018
Yes I've bought many similar products at Jumbo and Lidl. In fact, I used to only shop at Jumbo, then I switched to Lidl because I saved money by shopping there instead. The main reason I still sometimes go to Jumbo is just because of the longer opening hours, and it always ends up being more expensive.
Sorry, but if the "research" conflicts with my own first-hand personal experience, then I have to side with my own experience, and that experience is that Lidl is cheaper than Jumbo.
Well, I didn't say Albert Heijn was the most expensive; I just said that it's more expensive, which it is, based on my 15 years of actual continuous real world experience in grocery shopping from a range of far more than just 27 items (vs. Kassa's "research", which is literally nothing more than an (easily manipulated) snapshot).Like I said in the edit, It is entirely possible that for products you personally usually buy to pay less at Lidl. But if you want the cheapest, basic groceries, it is not the cheapest at all. So saying AH is the most expensive is factually wrong. It might be most expensive for the type of groceries YOU buy though.
Well, I didn't say Albert Heijn was the most expensive; I just said that it's more expensive, which it is, based on my 15 years of actual continuous real world experience in grocery shopping from a range of far more than just 27 items (vs. Kassa's "research", which is literally nothing more than an easily manipulated snapshot).
What do these replacement meat products taste like? And what texture are they?
They taste okay and offer a great substitute but it definitely doesn't taste the same. If you eat meat, I don't think they taste good enough to sway you away.
Out of curiosity, anyone know the nutritional value of the substitutes compared to the real thing?
We gotta get that number down even more. Meat substitutes have been great for me. I stopped eating beef for awhile and when I started eating it again it was way too harsh on my stomach and made me sick. If I eat beef now, it is usually as a special treat like going to get KBBQ. I can still eat pork but I hate pork. Beyond meat, seitan (but I try to limit this since it is gluten), and other meat-like products have allowed me to enjoy foods I can't eat or dislike eating again.
Meat substitutes are definitely the future we should be investing in. Less methane, less animal cruelty. Everybody wins.
EU and agriculture ... ;)There have been some uncharacteristically dumb decisions by the EU on this matter.
To replace a burger is much easier than to replace a steak. We'll probably need synthetic meat to do so, I can't see a perfect steak made from peas anytime soon.It doesn't taste exactly like beef, but it does have the texture of ground meat and has a more gamey flavor to it.
Depending on the brand of substitute meat, if someone told you it's just a gamey meat that has been turned into a burger, nobody would argue.
The fact we're already so close to having a near 1:1 imitation is a major step forward that tells me replacement red meat is going to completely disrupt the beef industry, and it's going to be brutal and swift like many disruptive technologies.
Also, the substitute stuff is not healthy. But you're eating burgers, it's not supposed to be.