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New California declares "independence" from rest of state
- Thread starter WaffleTaco
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Oh boy, you would Calatonia-ize the situation?
Secession is not something that can be prohibited. It's a social right to stop relations.
Similar to Calatonia, people have a voice, and you cannot, cannot, tell someone they can't secede.
California is rated 48th or 50th from a "business climate" standpoint? Is that accurate? That doesn't seem accurate.
It's not that people think it's impossible, but that it seems like a huge waste of resources, isn't it?
Sweeeeeeeeet.
Having lived in Northern California my whole life, I've had to hear about the "State of Jefferson" from angry conservative people since the beginning of time, and unsurprisingly, a lot of those people are fuuuuucking nuts. This just seems like that idea, expanded out to the rest of the not-majority-liberal areas? Can't wait to hear about this until I'm dead.
TIME FOR NEW BUMPER STICKERS, BOYS. THE MILITIA RIDES TONIGHT.
Having lived in Northern California my whole life, I've had to hear about the "State of Jefferson" from angry conservative people since the beginning of time, and unsurprisingly, a lot of those people are fuuuuucking nuts. This just seems like that idea, expanded out to the rest of the not-majority-liberal areas? Can't wait to hear about this until I'm dead.
TIME FOR NEW BUMPER STICKERS, BOYS. THE MILITIA RIDES TONIGHT.
We had a war and a Supreme Court ruling to settle the matter.
If you think even a quarter of the population of these parts of the state wants to secede, you'd be overestimating the situation. Not to mention the parts that would make up "New California" are absolutely dependent on "Old" California for tax revenue.
The democrats would never allow it anyways, would give the GOP two more seats.
Actually, that would be a hilarious deal. GOP allows Peurto Rico in, as long as they got a split California. No way for them to squirm out without looking like tools in the process.
Actually, that would be a hilarious deal. GOP allows Peurto Rico in, as long as they got a split California. No way for them to squirm out without looking like tools in the process.
they're not asking to leave the united states, they're asking for the united states to recognize them as a different state from california.
you could call it "unmerging" a state.
Oh, it's the shitty parts of the state that resemble other worst parts of this country. Good luck with that idiots.
It's the 5th largest economy in the world, so something doesn't add up.
The US constitution does have a topic on this matter. The semi colons and commas are throwing me off but it seems like new states can't be formed within an existing state. I can also read it in how it allows new states to be made up of other states. Anyone want to weigh in on the correct interpretation?
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleiv
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleiv
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Then you understand we didn't fight a war over the right to partition an existing State.
nbd, they'll just increase the price of almonds, avocados, and citrus by a factor of ten.
NewCal for sure. Americans irrationally hate brown people.
Who do they think is going to subsidize all the inland farmland?
e: I know SD is pretty conservative but I bet they also don't want to support all the fly-over counties, SD should be in Old California, if only so my wife and I can move back and still be in the 'good' California. Otherwise it's Santa Barbara
e: I know SD is pretty conservative but I bet they also don't want to support all the fly-over counties, SD should be in Old California, if only so my wife and I can move back and still be in the 'good' California. Otherwise it's Santa Barbara
Brown people are 1/3 the entire population of Central California.
I suggest you go back and reread my posts, what I was replying to, and see how your responses are redundant.
Right; same reason I posed the question. I have a feeling this is coming from the right-wing "standpoint" which looks mostly/only at taxes.
Missed a post. My apologies.
That said, based on previous attempts to partition the State, it doesn't seem like there's any constitutional restriction. The ballot just has to pass through all houses of the state legislature.
Conservatives are furiously one upping each other to show what snowflakes they are. I mean, where do you go from here
Only time I can think of off the top of my head that an existing state (as opposed to a territory) was divided into two states was Virginia and West Virginia, and that was more WV seceding from the Confederacy to rejoin the Union, iirc. So still not splitting a state, per se.
I don't think this flies barring some wacky California referendum boondoggle which I'm 99% sure wouldn't pass, or some existing provision in the state's constitution which I'm 99% sure doesn't exist.
I don't think this flies barring some wacky California referendum boondoggle which I'm 99% sure wouldn't pass, or some existing provision in the state's constitution which I'm 99% sure doesn't exist.
It's not a problem.
Yea, that seems to be the case. But they also need approval the US congress.
If the state does decide to split, but the federal government doesn't recognize it, they'll be in some weird inbetween state existing outside of the union which is technically not allowed.
I guess they become a territory like Puerto Rico and lose all representation at the federal level.
New Cal would require the consent of both California state and federal legislatures if I'm understanding this correctly, which makes it pretty much impossible when it's comprised pretty much entirely of the super rural areas where few people actually live since that means they don't get enough representation in the state government (this is also a big part of why these people want this to happen in the first place)
Yeah, it's got a snowball's chance in hell. But that's the fun of these things.
Folks need hobbies.
