New Pokémon Sword and Shield info. (Customization features, pokémon camp, new pokémon )

Sauce Marlow · Sep 5, 2019

Some dingbat is going around the Pokemon subreddit claiming the only reason for the noticeable increase in graphical quality for the direct/new trailer is because the old trailers were all footage from handheld mode and this showed footage from docked mode. Somebody please tell me I'm not crazy for thinking this is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

kirbyfan407 · Sep 5, 2019

Sauce Marlow said:
Some dingbat is going around the Pokemon subreddit claiming the only reason for the noticeable increase in graphical quality for the direct/new trailer is because the old trailers were all footage from handheld mode and this showed footage from docked mode. Somebody please tell me I'm not crazy for thinking this is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

I don't know what you've heard before and thus how this ranks, but I would say that the comments you've repeated are extremely unlikely to be true, as there would be no reason for Nintendo to not show the game in its best light. Unless I'm mistaken, we also had confirmed docked footage from E3 that could be used as a reference.

StephenNotStrange · Sep 5, 2019

kirbyfan407 said:
I don't know what you've heard before and thus how this ranks, but I would say that the comments you've repeated are extremely unlikely to be true, as there would be no reason for Nintendo to not show the game in its best light. Unless I'm mistaken, we also had confirmed docked footage from E3 that could be used as a reference.

Clearly it's not true... r/Pokemon have some of the dumbest fans I ever knew...

Anti-Pessimist · Sep 5, 2019

It's a baseless claim. Honestly, the Pokémon subreddit has become very annoying to go through since the Pokédex stuff was revealed.

Sauce Marlow · Sep 5, 2019

StephenNotStrange said:
Clearly it's not true... r/Pokemon have some of the dumbest fans I ever knew...

Ain't that the truth lmao

The guy who put together a massive thread talking about the "facts" of Sword/Shield (which is currently stickied) has been saying earlier trailers have been in handheld mode, which is just preposterous. Literally makes no sense why GameFreak would randomly show their game running in handheld without ever specifying it. Needed to come hear the thoughts of people with actual functioning brains lol.

Anti-Pessimist said:
It's a baseless claim. Honestly, the Pokémon subreddit has become very annoying to go through since the Pokédex stuff was revealed.

There's zero discussion to be found there unless you just want to bitch and moan these days.

Aleh · Sep 5, 2019

TheEpic_Crusader said:
That's madness. Animal Crossing New Horizons has more customization than either of those games, by far. That's what it's all about.

Nah, Animal Crossing is limited by the size and simplicity of the characters. It's still pretty great in terms of quantity of clothes, but that's it

Serebii · Sep 6, 2019

Sauce Marlow said:
Some dingbat is going around the Pokemon subreddit claiming the only reason for the noticeable increase in graphical quality for the direct/new trailer is because the old trailers were all footage from handheld mode and this showed footage from docked mode. Somebody please tell me I'm not crazy for thinking this is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

That's hilarious.

It's also BS. The previous footage was in 1080

Sauce Marlow said:
Ain't that the truth lmao

The guy who put together a massive thread talking about the "facts" of Sword/Shield (which is currently stickied) has been saying earlier trailers have been in handheld mode, which is just preposterous. Literally makes no sense why GameFreak would randomly show their game running in handheld without ever specifying it. Needed to come hear the thoughts of people with actual functioning brains lol.

There's zero discussion to be found there unless you just want to bitch and moan these days.

Yeah and that post that's stickied shows a distinct lack of understanding of game development. I would point out the faults but I get dogpiled every time I don't join the whole "WAAA GAME FREAK SUCK" bandwagon.

It can take upwards of a week to do a single animation. A dozen+ animations per Pokémon.

If the model rigs broke when on the new/updated engine (which does happen as many gave developers here and around the net have tried to tell people) then the results are catastrophic if they couldn't use a tool to fix it. They'd have to...redo all the models (models are more than wireframes, something people need to understand but seem to ignore and so because wireframes are similar/the same, clearly that's "incorrect"), once the model rigs and skeletal structure of the models is on, they'd need to reimplant the animation, then bug test it. If it didn't work, they'd need to re record the animation and as they're not human models, they can't just have a standard frame imported.

1000+ models * 12 animations = 12000 animations to check. Approximately a week for an animation of implanting, testing, checking, fixing, rechecking etc. = 12000 weeks

Even with 100 staff just on that alone, that's still over 2 years.

People need to do the maths before mouthing off.

Note: I have spoken to numerous game developers about this scenario. This is not me pulling things out of my ass.

Aleh · Sep 6, 2019

Serebii said:
That's hilarious.

It's also BS. The previous footage was in 1080

Yeah and that post that's stickied shows a distinct lack of understanding of game development. I would point out the faults but I get dogpiled every time I don't join the whole "WAAA GAME FREAK SUCK" bandwagon.

It can take upwards of a week to do a single animation. A dozen+ animations per Pokémon.

If the model rigs broke when on the new/updated engine (which does happen as many gave developers here and around the net have tried to tell people) then the results are catastrophic if they couldn't use a tool to fix it. They'd have to...redo all the models (models are more than wireframes, something people need to understand but seem to ignore and so because wireframes are similar/the same, clearly that's "incorrect"), once the model rigs and skeletal structure of the models is on, they'd need to reimplant the animation, then bug test it. If it didn't work, they'd need to re record the animation and as they're not human models, they can't just have a standard frame imported.

1000+ models * 12 animations = 12000 animations to check. Approximately a week for an animation of implanting, testing, checking, fixing, rechecking etc. = 12000 weeks

Even with 100 staff just on that alone, that's still over 2 years.

People need to do the maths before mouthing off.

Note: I have spoken to numerous game developers about this scenario. This is not me pulling things out of my ass.

It is, in fact, wasted breath. There is no reasoning with these people.

lvl 99 Pixel · Sep 6, 2019

Sauce Marlow said:
There's zero discussion to be found there unless you just want to bitch and moan these days.

Hey, sometimes they post uncredited or traced artwork.

Serebii · Sep 6, 2019

Toby Fox slyly confirming that the bulk of Game Freak's staff wasn't shifted to Town rather than SWSH

Lelouch0612 · Sep 6, 2019

Serebii said:
Toby Fox slyly confirming that the bulk of Game Freak's staff wasn't shifted to Town rather than SWSH

You don't say. I am shocked.

Serebii · Sep 6, 2019

Lelouch0612 said:
You don't say. I am shocked.

Unfortunately people are still set on this.

eonden · Sep 6, 2019

Serebii said:
Toby Fox slyly confirming that the bulk of Game Freak's staff wasn't shifted to Town rather than SWSH

But I thought project gear was the main task at gamefreak!

(/s)

Charamiwa · Sep 6, 2019

Really happy with the character customization aspect of the game. For the first time it seems like a fully fledged feature. There's so many tabs just for the clothes, and then the hair/make up side looks really complete too. Really good stuff that I wasn't expecting from them, I thought the lack of custom character was a voluntary design choice for some reasons.

StephenNotStrange · Sep 6, 2019

Serebii said:
That's hilarious.

It's also BS. The previous footage was in 1080

Yeah and that post that's stickied shows a distinct lack of understanding of game development. I would point out the faults but I get dogpiled every time I don't join the whole "WAAA GAME FREAK SUCK" bandwagon.

It can take upwards of a week to do a single animation. A dozen+ animations per Pokémon.

If the model rigs broke when on the new/updated engine (which does happen as many gave developers here and around the net have tried to tell people) then the results are catastrophic if they couldn't use a tool to fix it. They'd have to...redo all the models (models are more than wireframes, something people need to understand but seem to ignore and so because wireframes are similar/the same, clearly that's "incorrect"), once the model rigs and skeletal structure of the models is on, they'd need to reimplant the animation, then bug test it. If it didn't work, they'd need to re record the animation and as they're not human models, they can't just have a standard frame imported.

1000+ models * 12 animations = 12000 animations to check. Approximately a week for an animation of implanting, testing, checking, fixing, rechecking etc. = 12000 weeks

Even with 100 staff just on that alone, that's still over 2 years.

People need to do the maths before mouthing off.

Note: I have spoken to numerous game developers about this scenario. This is not me pulling things out of my ass.

Have you been able to determine how many animation each Pokemon's model have? I mean the one in USUM since it the last one have full Pokedex.

Like each Pokemon will have idle, battle, fained, walking, etc.

Serebii · Sep 6, 2019

StephenNotStrange said:
Have you been able to determine how many animation each Pokemon's model have? I mean the one in USUM since it the last one have full Pokedex.

Like each Pokemon will have idle, battle, fained, walking, etc.

Including Refresh/Amie we're at around 12-15 per Pokémon, maybe more

ned_ballad · Sep 6, 2019

Oh hey, Rotom is in the Galar dex

hopefully you can get it early enough that I can finally have a game where I can use Rotom on my story mode team

StephenNotStrange · Sep 6, 2019

Serebii said:
Including Refresh/Amie we're at around 12-15 per Pokémon, maybe more

So with the number of 33 new Pokemon and regional form so far (I don't count the mystery black Pokemon in new trailer), CreaturesInc will need to at least make more than 400 animations. And we all know we will have more Pokemon and form.

Do you think GF will use Refresh/Amie's animation of old Pokemon for Pokemon Camp? Or they need to create like 1-2 more for them?

Serebii · Sep 6, 2019

StephenNotStrange said:
So with the number of 33 new Pokemon and regional form so far (I don't count the mystery black Pokemon in new trailer), CreaturesInc will need to at least make more than 400 animations. And we all know we will have more Pokemon and form.

Do you think GF will use Refresh/Amie's animation of old Pokemon for Pokemon Camp? Or they need to create like 1-2 more for them?

I think they'll be used/tweaked yeah, there's probably a couple more they'll need to create as this is a new feature and not a repeat. We'll have to wwait and see

blazingserenity · Sep 6, 2019

Serebii said:
1000+ models * 12 animations = 12000 animations to check. Approximately a week for an animation of implanting, testing, checking, fixing, rechecking etc. = 12000 weeks

The thing I don't understand is, what makes this situation more difficult than back in 2010-2013 when they created well over 800 HD-oriented models completely from scratch? I doubt it was merely the act of reimplementing the standard battle models. It was things like Dynamax and Camp that exponentially increased the workload.

Serebii · Sep 6, 2019

blazingserenity said:
The thing I don't understand is, what makes this situation more difficult than back in 2010-2013 when they created well over 800 HD-oriented models completely from scratch? I doubt it was merely the act of reimplementing the standard battle models. It was things like Dynamax and Camp that exponentially increased the workload.

Because they had that period of time and the CG Studio was dedicated entirely to it. We saw the first elements of these in 2011 for Pokédex 3D. Now, they have more than just the Pokémon to do.

PLUS, as has been stated many times by game developers, new and updated engines can completely break animation rigs which would require rework, especially if tools can't automatically fix them.

OmniStrife · Sep 6, 2019

Aleh said:
The graphics are amazing I don't care what anyone thinks

Agreed. If it were 2013.

Aleh · Sep 6, 2019

OmniStrife said:
Agreed. If it were 2013.

The Switch is a slightly better Wii U so I don't see why the year matters

BanetteAndBaguette · Sep 6, 2019

I don't know a single thing about development, but I'm still mad for no national dex. I wish they delayed both the anime and the game for another year.

But heh, I buy pokémon games for the new designs and what I have seen so far is incredible. Can't wait to use Cramorant. Graphics are okayish ( but those n64 trees are eeewww )

Xavi · Sep 6, 2019

As of now, this my team.

Cramorant is cool, but Flying/Water sucks hard imo. And Corviknight will probably only be available mid-late game.

BanetteAndBaguette · Sep 6, 2019

Xavi said:
As of now, this my team.

Cramorant is cool, but Flying/Water sucks hard imo. And Corviknight would probably only be available mid-late game.

I don't think that Polteigeist will be available that early

Xavi · Sep 6, 2019

BanetteAndBaguette said:
I don't think that Polteigeist will be available that early

I hope they are, that thing is adorable.

Starlatine · Sep 6, 2019

BanetteAndBaguette said:
I don't think that Polteigeist will be available that early

the only early game ghost i can remember is ghastly, teapot will probably be around that mushroom forest which seems to be midgame

you're getting a gastly and you're going to love it

Batatina · Sep 6, 2019

Eevee and Leafeon were the highlights of the trailer! Can't wait!

PokémonSpears · Sep 6, 2019

Batatina said:
Eevee and Leafeon were the highlights of the trailer! Can't wait!

I wonder where the Ice Rock and Moss Rock will be, and if they're getting even bigger, as if it's been the trend in the past few games

They went from this

to this

DiceyRobot · Sep 6, 2019

Has it been made official which past-gen Pokémon will make it to Galar? I heard they're not all returning, but curious to know which have made the cut.

Bonus question: Do we know how many new Pokémon will be introduced?

Thanks!

Phellps · Sep 6, 2019

MushroomSamba said:
Has it been made official which past-gen Pokémon will make it to Galar? I heard they're not all returning, but curious to know which have made the cut.

Bonus question: Do we know how many new Pokémon will be introduced?

Thanks!

Not all Pokémon have been revealed: either new or confirmed to be returning. We also don't have a hard number on new Pokémon.
But the ones we've already seen can be checked here: https://www.serebii.net/swordshield/galarpokedex.shtml

Xavi · Sep 6, 2019

PokémonSpears said:
I wonder where the Ice Rock and Moss Rock will be, and if they're getting even bigger, as if it's been the trend in the past few games

They went from this

to this

Moss Rock seems like a no brainer

http:///ziDd.png

PokémonSpears · Sep 6, 2019

MushroomSamba said:
Has it been made official which past-gen Pokémon will make it to Galar? I heard they're not all returning, but curious to know which have made the cut.

Bonus question: Do we know how many new Pokémon will be introduced?

Thanks!

No, that's the whole debate.

So far, these have been confirmed

https://serebii.net/swordshield/galarpokedex.shtml

Quinton · Sep 6, 2019

Let me put it to y'all this way. My extreme adoration for curry is so well-documented that within minutes of the trailer drop not only my roommates but three of my online friends told me they understand this is without question a Day 1 video game for me now.

cainhxrst · Sep 6, 2019

there's two ways this'll go, and I've noticed quite a bit of people in the mindset that we're only getting like 50ish new pokemon this time mainly due to the amount of form change stuff in this game (variants, gigantomax), + the pokemon reveals being so sparse

I kinda feel like because we're seeing older pokemon cut, gamefreak may be more willing to give us a bigger amount of new pokemon like pre-gen 6. I'm thinking we'll get 90ish (including regional evolutions) on top of whatever g-max stuff we get. Everything about this game points to gamefreak going "big" (big amount of new features, big region, big amount of customization options) and I wouldn't be surprised if we got a big amount of new pokemon again too. It really does feel extremely content packed, and it still feels like we've barely seen anything.

I gotta say, I love how they're handling the pre-release. The hype is still there, but I don't feel like I'm seeing every single thing the game has to offer in advance of it launching

PokémonSpears · Sep 6, 2019

Xavi said:
Moss Rock seems like a no brainer

http:///ziDd.png

Have we seen those giant mushrooms/fluorescent trees? in-game yet?

PokémonSpears · Sep 6, 2019

cainhxrst said:
there's two ways this'll go, and I've noticed quite a bit of people in the mindset that we're only getting like 50ish new pokemon this time mainly due to the amount of form change stuff in this game (variants, gigantomax), + the pokemon reveals being so sparse

I kinda feel like because we're seeing older pokemon cut, gamefreak may be more willing to give us a bigger amount of new pokemon like pre-gen 6. I'm thinking we'll get 90ish (including regional evolutions) on top of whatever g-max stuff we get. Everything about this game points to gamefreak going "big" (big amount of new features, big region, big amount of customization options) and I wouldn't be surprised if we got a big amount of new pokemon again too. It really does feel extremely content packed, and it still feels like we've barely seen anything.

I gotta say, I love how they're handling the pre-release. The hype is still there, but I don't feel like I'm seeing every single thing the game has to offer in advance of it launching

I really really wish that's the case.

I'll never recover from the fact that no game will ever have the entire Pokémon roster ever again, but if we're indeed getting more Pokémon than in Gen VI and VII every new generation, that could make up at least a little bit for it.

However, I am not holding my breath.

Charlie0108 · Sep 6, 2019

If anything I think we'll get less than Sun and Moon, not more

Ivan2Nguyen · Sep 6, 2019

KillstealWolf said:
Redoing my numbers, apparantly I was 2 short on Gen 5 pokemon? Dunno which 2 I missed out on. That or I double counted Zigzagoon and Linoone? (Galarians and Hoenns, oh my).

I think this are the numbers:

Gen 1: 44/151 (29.1% of Gen 1 Pokemon)
Gen 2: 24/100 (24.0% of Gen 2 Pokemon)
Gen 3: 28/135 (20.7% of Gen 3 Pokemon)
Gen 4: 32/107 (29.9% of Gen 4 Pokemon)
Gen 5: 50/156 (30.7% of Gen 5 Pokemon)
Gen 6: 24/72 (33.3% of Gen 6 Pokemon)
Gen 7: 20/88 (22.7% of Gen 7 Pokemon)
Gen 8: 18 revealed so far

240/827

Weezing is counted for Gen 1, Zigzagoon and Linoone are counted for Gen 3, Obstagoon is counted for Gen 8.

But if someone can double check those numbers, would be greatly appreciated.

Here's the chart, as far as I'm aware I believe this has everyone at present.

I love everything about this. You are doing god's work here.

The Shadow Knight · Sep 6, 2019

Xavi said:
As of now, this my team.

Cramorant is cool, but Flying/Water sucks hard imo. And Corviknight will probably only be available mid-late game.

Gyarados and Pelliper would like a word.

---

I've also been planning a team for the first playthrough of Sobble, Impidimp and Koffing with a potential undecided fourth member. Polteageist is a contender though.
I like to limit my team to 3-4 pokes, as I feel going above that makes it so that none of them get enough time in the spotlight.

BanetteAndBaguette · Sep 6, 2019

The Shadow Knight said:
Gyarados and Pelliper would like a word.

---

I've also been planning a team for the first playthrough of Sobble, Impidimp and Koffing with a potential undecided fourth member. Polteageist is a contender though.
I like to limit my team to 3-4 pokes, as I feel going above that makes it so that none of them get enough time in the spotlight.

You guys are making big teams yet there's only like 20 mons revealed so far

I'm already scared to plan on adding Cramorant to my team because I know water types are always awesome

Dernhelm · Sep 6, 2019

I'm holding off on favourites until I have a clearer idea of which Pokémon are way further into the game - took ages to get Vulpix in Alola, Mimikyu too. Most of what's been revealed look like part of the crop that you'd run into within the first three badges, but doesn't mean one like Polteageist might be one that inexplicably doesn't become available until after you've already passed up on other alternatives.

ERAsaur · Sep 6, 2019

So far:
Sobble3
Corviknight
Obstagoon
Weezing-G

for me. Hopefully there's a Fire/Ground and Grass type I like to balance it out.

The Shadow Knight · Sep 6, 2019

ERAsaur said:
So far:
Sobble3
Corviknight
Obstagoon
Weezing-G

for me. Hopefully there's a Fire/Ground and Grass type I like to balance it out.

I adore Corviknight and would absolutely put it on my team, but I fully expect it to be a mid-late game mon... Maybe if it has a prevo.

OfficerRaichu15 · Sep 6, 2019

There has to be more regional forms and cross Gen evolutions right? Man they aren't revealing much per trailer.

Dernhelm · Sep 6, 2019

More mons is fine enough, reveal them as they go, but I am LOVING the fact we know next to nothing on regional forms and cross gen evolutions. Knowing they're a thing that exist but not knowing any more than that until you encounter them is way more interesting. Like, I never got spoilt on Alolan Marowak, it was one of the best moments in SuMo for me to see them in the Trails for the first time.

Armite · Sep 6, 2019

Sobble, Corviknight, Impidimp, Rolycoly and Polteageist interest me so far, which is a damn good start. Whether I stick with those or not depends on accessibility and what else is revealed.

BanetteAndBaguette · Sep 6, 2019

I hope what was revealed yet isn't even a quarter of the new mons

lovecatt · Sep 6, 2019

Didn't most people dislike that they showed too much before S/M

They're probably scared of doing that again

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