New Pokémon Sword & Shield Trailer (Gigantamaxing, new pokémon, version exclusive gym leaders and Pokémon)

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Sandfox

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Oct 25, 2017
11,680
Stealth Rocks is OP now? If you say that to people who seriously play a format that uses SR they’ll either laugh or tell you why you’re wrong lol.

Also, I don’t see how you can call something unbalanced when you know nothing about the power of the move or Pokemon.
 

Lelouch0612

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Oct 25, 2017
8,357
they were. they said it was because they had to bring all of the Pokémon onto the new hardware when they just copy-pasted. balance was brought up as well.
They mentionned explicitely animations and balance. They didnt say a word about models, you are extrapolating.

You mean the balance like slapping stealth rocks, an already op as fuck move, on a damaging move? That balance?
This is what they said.

We'll see how the meta will evolve once the games is out but anyone trying to guess whether the games are going to be more balanced than before is speaking too soon.
 
Feb 20, 2019
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Why do y’all go back and forth with the same 5 ppl that don’t care about? Complain about what you wanna complain about and keep going. If they don’t care what happens to the series that’s cool too. Seeing the same arguments back and forth every thread is wild. You don’t care about any changes then don’t bother the ones that do simple
Ye, just ignore them

You can laugh at the sparky doggo gif while ignoring the disappointed guys
 

ILikeFeet

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Oct 25, 2017
20,403
watch gamefreak introduce a decent damage-dealing defog for normal mons with widespread coverage

BUT MUH NO BALANCE
 

TimeFire

Avenger
Nov 26, 2017
4,111
Brazil
So everyone that's commenting "that's just tail whip! Everyone deletes it!" will surely criticize the game if endgame moves' animations are also terrible, right?
 

Glio

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Oct 27, 2017
7,187
Spain
I do not understand what you see so unbalanced of that Stealth Rock of gigantamax. You will dedicate your only dynamax to a movement that a lot of Pokémon can count on with a simple rapid spin.

And then your opponent has a dynamax that he can use at will against you.
 

Castile

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Dec 1, 2017
3,129
I don’t think they’re much inferior if they’ve got good stat spreads. Mono type Pokémon definitely can be and are good. it’s just lame for the starters to be monotype lol
Depends on the type, as currently there doesn't exist any good mono ice type pokemon. None that I would classify good in competitive play. same goes for mono bug type pokemon.
 

Sandfox

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Oct 25, 2017
11,680
I can so much see the thing being thrash tier thanks to lame base stats and the fact that you can't dynamax first turn making it a bad suicide lead
Damaging SR on a dynamax Pokemon honestly isn’t all that much better than regular SR. It seems like it would be a waste of a slot.

I do not understand what you see so unbalanced of that Stealth Rock of gigantamax. You will dedicate your only dynamax to a movement that a lot of Pokémon can count on with a simple rapid spin.

And then your opponent has a dynamax that he can use at will against you.
This. Apparently it’s broken though.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I can so much see the thing being thrash tier thanks to lame base stats and the fact that you can't dynamax first turn making it a bad suicide lead
Unless he has a surprise evolution, he's guaranteed to not be a very useful pokémon in comp' yeah

and yet he's somehow an argument that balance isn't a focus in those games
 

Eorl

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Oct 30, 2017
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Australia
An ice-cream turning into an ice-cream cake just shows what the superior dessert is. Thank you Gamefreak for ensuring all know.
 

Wamb0wneD

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Oct 26, 2017
13,758
Why do y’all go back and forth with the same 5 ppl that don’t care about? Complain about what you wanna complain about and keep going. If they don’t care what happens to the series that’s cool too. Seeing the same arguments back and forth every thread is wild. You don’t care about any changes then don’t bother the ones that do simple
Because their circlejerk of laughing at and getting angry at people that care or trying to one-up themsleves in who cares less in an attempt to feel above people that do and paint them in a toxic light is kind of annoying to read. They should make a dm group or something.
wow i cant believe you guys all already predicted how drednaw is going to be an uber pokémon six months before launch
Packing Stealth Rocks on a damaging move is just a dumb idea. People played against and with Stealth Rocks for way too long to not be aware of that.
 

RocknRola

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Oct 25, 2017
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Portugal
Why do y’all go back and forth with the same 5 ppl that don’t care about? Complain about what you wanna complain about and keep going. If they don’t care what happens to the series that’s cool too. Seeing the same arguments back and forth every thread is wild. You don’t care about any changes then don’t bother the ones that do simple
Exactly. Just forget about them. Like Toei did with Goten. :D
 

Jbone115

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Oct 25, 2017
772
Stealth Rocks isn’t even a good move in the “official” VGC meta, why would Gamefreak care about balancing Smogon’s version?
 

Sandfox

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Oct 25, 2017
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Packing Stealth Rocks on a damaging move is just a dumb idea. People played against and with Stealth Rocks for way too long to not be aware of that.
Given the limitations/commitments of dynamax and the fact that we don’t even know the power of the move or the Pokemon I don’t really see how you can say this.
 

Glio

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Oct 27, 2017
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Spain
Because their circlejerk of laughing at and getting angry at people that care or trying to one-up themsleves in who cares less in an attempt to feel above people that do and paint them in a toxic light is kind of annoying to read. They should make a dm group or something.

Packing Stealth Rocks on a damaging move is just a dumb idea. People played against and with Stealth Rocks for way too long to not be aware of that.
But this is not just "damaging stealth rock" this is shouting from the rooftops "EH GUYS, I'M GOING TO USE STEALTH ROCK CONCRETLY WITH THIS POKEMON DURING THIS PARTICULAR TURN".
 

Yep

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Dec 14, 2017
250
I don't really see which advantage this attack is giving over just putting SR with tyranitar first turn and not wasting my only dynamax on such a shitty double typing
 

Lelouch0612

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Oct 25, 2017
8,357
Okay you are annoying me.

I presented facts when people had the courtesy of asking but I see know that they don't care.

Thanks Wamb0wneD for calling me a jerk I guess while ignoring my answer, at least you are saving my time now.
 

Sandfox

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Oct 25, 2017
11,680
well they did stealth rock but better, so rapid spin but better

but I guess that's the G-Max wind move

of course, GF doesn't care too much since defog is everywhere (and the preferred option) and nobody uses sneaky pebbles in doubles
Defog on it’s own will more than likely be the way better option.

The new move locks you into using a specific Pokemon that we know little about as your defogger and dynamax slot.
 
Oct 25, 2017
11,722
Because their circlejerk of laughing at and getting angry at people that care or trying to one-up themsleves in who cares less in an attempt to feel above people that do and paint them in a toxic light is kind of annoying to read. They should make a dm group or something.
what happened to "let people voice their opinion" ? does it only work one way (yours) ?
 

Apa504

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Oct 25, 2017
1,153
Because their circlejerk of laughing at and getting angry at people that care or trying to one-up themsleves in who cares less in an attempt to feel above people that do and paint them in a toxic light is kind of annoying to read. They should make a dm group or something.
So now we are Jerks and shouldnt post here.
Lovely fanbase.
 

Omegamon

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Oct 27, 2017
1,209
So we all can agree that Giga Sword and Giga Shield will have exclusive Gigantamaxing Pokémon that you cannot use in the base games even if patching games is a thing that exist.
 

Wamb0wneD

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Oct 26, 2017
13,758
Given the limitations/commitments of dynamax and the fact that we don’t even know the power of the move or the Pokemon I don’t really see how you can say this.
Is it confirmed that it's the only Pokemon to learn that skill? I kind of doubt that, but maybe I'm wrong there. Saying Rapid Spin counters Stealth Rocks doesn't say much, because that has always been the case and yet Stealth Rocks still got played for good reason.
But this is not just "damaging stealth rock" this is shouting from the rooftops "EH GUYS, I'M GOING TO USE STEALTH ROCK CONCRETLY WITH THIS POKEMON DURING THIS PARTICULAR TURN".
If it's truly just that Pokemon then it's getting more predictable for sure, but you can't be sure when they'll use it. Maybe my assesment of "giving an already borderline broken move a damage portion is just not a good idea" is wrong, sure. We will see when the game comes out. I still think cutting Pokemon to be able to balance more is weird when you bring in moves like this. But what do I know, I'm not a dev. Only got fucked by stealth rocks too often in my life. maybe it's the saltiness speaking.
 

Wamb0wneD

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Oct 26, 2017
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So now we are Jerks and shouldnt post here.
Lovely fanbase.
I never called you a jerk and I never said you shouldn't post here. All I said was that I found that particular behaviour annoying, but keep putting words in my mouth. It's interesting to see that you identify with that behaviour though.
Lovely fanbase.
 

mnk

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Nov 11, 2017
527
I never called you a jerk and I never said you shouldn't post here. All I said was that I found that particular behaviour annoying, but keep putting words in my mouth. It's interesting to see that you identify with that behaviour though.
Lovely fanbase.
I think some people don't know what circlejerk means. <_<
 

Apa504

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Oct 25, 2017
1,153
I never called you a jerk and I never said you shouldn't post here. All I said was that I found that particular behaviour annoying, but keep putting words in my mouth. It's interesting to see you identify with that behaviour though.
Lovely fanbase.
Yeah, because you clearly were not calling out the people that are disagreeing with you.
 

Wamb0wneD

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
13,758
Okay you are annoying me.

I presented facts when people had the courtesy of asking but I see know that they don't care.

Thanks Wamb0wneD for calling me a jerk I guess while ignoring my answer, at least you are saving my time now.
I never called you a Jerk, and my notifications are kind of steadily notifying me right now, so I missed your response. But sure, glad I saved you some time then, since you probably won't even be able to read this answer anymore. Completely missreading someone's post by mistaking circlejerk for getting called a jerk and then immediately putting someone on your ignorelist has to be some new record of misguided discussion. Like god damn.
I think some people don't know what circlejerk means. <_<
Either that or they just read what they want to read. Two people in 5 minutes not knowing what a circlejerk is, on an online forum, is a bit much.
 

Kanmurukillua

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Jan 28, 2019
304
I don't agree that it's a circlejerk, but people are a bit quick to get mad about the people criticizing the whole thing and act like everyone who's criticizing the games are similar to the people who have actually harassed and spread false allegations.
Like I've said, myself and my girlfriend have definitely faced our fair share of insults for sharing the fact we're disappointed on Twitter, without even posting the hashtag or anything like that. I'm not going to act like everyone defending the game is that kind of person, though.
 

Aleh

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Oct 27, 2017
4,577
Can this thread go back to discussing actual new stuff instead of pointless back and forth about the same old stupid arguments? Thanks
 

Brock Reiher

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Oct 25, 2017
29,559
Huh, so there's actually is a counter protest wishing for the national pokedex to not come back, and it even has its own hashtag. Its kinda sad that people find joy that other people's favorite are excluded from this game.
it's not that they get joy from the cuts, it's that they've gone completely nutso bananas overboard in defending gamefreak at all costs.