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Apa504

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Brand image does matter a lot for companies, though. Even if it doesn't directly affects sales, it's a bad long term strategy to disgruntle your loyal fanbase.
And GF will worry about that later, the only metric they care right now is the sales of Sword and Shield, and judging by comments from people who have acces to preorder numbers, this whole outrage is affecting nothing.
 

TimeFire

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My experience on Reddit is that you can shit on DP, XY, ORAS, SM and USUM. Maybe LGPE. The others are holy, especially HGSS.
That's not too different from over here then lol

Sun & Moon/USUM got some loyal fans but you can shit all over XY here.

And GF will worry about that later, the only metric they care right now is the sales of Sword and Shield, and judging by comments from people who have acces to preorder numbers, this whole outrage is affecting nothing.
Worrying about long-term effects only when they actually happen is one of the dumbest things a business can do. I'm pretty sure this outrage has affected Game Freak a lot. We shall see how the conversation goes for future games. Nintendo completely changed it's messaging about anything related to Metroid because of a much smaller controversy.
 

MegaXZero

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Sure. It's still a massive hit to the brand's image though. As you said, it's cool to hate Pokémon now. You don't really want that for your brand unless you're planning a manufactured outrage campaign. (Which I'm pretty sure Game Freak isn't, considering their marketing is usually very traditional)
It’s cool to hate COD also. And Reddit itself breeds mob mentality too. Also when I said cool to hate Pokémon I meant on the subreddit, Overall it’s been cool to hate Pokémon for years. Gamefreak itself isn’t going to care unless sales go down, which from what we know isn’t happening, like post E3 GameStop. Hell even now it’s doing very well on GameStop. There’s also the matter of Let’s Go doing extremely well despite looking bad with prerelease sales data.

Metroid because of a much smaller controversy.
Both Other M and Federation force flopped in sales.
 

ferroseed168

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Sure. It's still a massive hit to the brand's image though. As you said, it's cool to hate Pokémon now. You don't really want that for your brand unless you're planning a manufactured outrage campaign. (Which I'm pretty sure Game Freak isn't, considering their marketing is usually very traditional)
It’s true that this dissatisfaction has been building up for a while. I think a lot of fans (myself included) have had problems with Gen 6 and 7 but still liked and played the games because overall, the core concepts remained intact. Now they cut the traditional catching method in Lets Go, but they announced Gen 8 with it and specifically said Gen 8 was going to be for the long term and dedicated fan (in contrast to Lets Go). I didn’t buy Lets Go and waited another year for Gen 8. Then Sw/Sh were announced and I was genuinely hyped. The E3 news however, killed the game for me and I will not be buying this or any future games from now on (since they say this will be the direction for all games in the future). I will admit I’ve been very surprised (pleasantly) that /r/Pokémon has had such a strong backlash to the news. That subreddit used to be mostly art (and more recently, memes when they allowed them) till this news dropped, but the folks on there are clearly fans like me who’re devastated by the news of cut Pokémon. Will it affect sales enough to send a message to the corner cutters at Gamefreak? I hope so, but I’m not expecting it. Best case scenario, those of us who disapprove of this direction for Pokémon can be loud enough to poison the well for this game and give it bad word of mouth so it puts some people off buying the game, especially affecting the legs in sales that are so crucial to Pokémon sales
 

TimeFire

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It’s cool to hate COD also. And Reddit itself breeds mob mentality too. Also when I said cool to hate Pokémon I meant on the subreddit, Overall it’s been cool to hate Pokémon for years. Gamefreak itself isn’t going to care unless sales go down, which from what we know isn’t happening, like post E3 GameStop. Hell even now it’s doing very well on GameStop. There’s also the matter of Let’s Go doing extremely well despite looking bad with prerelease sales data.
It's cool to hate Pokémon pretty much everywhere right now. Twitter, /vp/, reddit, even here. I'm not a fool to say that Sword and Shield will sell badly, I'm just saying this has had a really bad effect on Pokémon's brand image amongst a lot of people. There's a viral video with almost 1m views just titled "Game Freak is lazy". This whole thing was a disaster.

I'm sure this decision was a last-minute one. (As Joe said in another thread/page, there is some evidence supporting this) but their messaging was horrible.
 

Apa504

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Worrying about long-term effects only when they actually happen is one of the dumbest things a business can do. I'm pretty sure this outrage has affected Game Freak a lot. We shall see how the conversation goes for future games. Nintendo completely changed it's messaging about anything related to Metroid because of a much smaller controversy.
I didnt say that they are gonna worry when it happens, they are gonna worry after Sword and Shield, they have a game to sell in just four months
And of course that the outrage its affecting them right now, but its not gonna matter if the sales remain the same or better, thats the final judgement.
Nintendo didnt change the messaging just because the outrage, they changed the messaging because the games dont sell.
 

MegaXZero

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It's cool to hate Pokémon pretty much everywhere right now. Twitter, /vp/, reddit, even here. I'm not a fool to say that Sword and Shield will sell badly, I'm just saying this has had a really bad effect on Pokémon's brand image amongst a lot of people. There's a viral video with almost 1m views just titled "Game Freak is lazy". This whole thing was a disaster.
VP has hated Pokémon for years, after all it’s 4chan.

And yeah it’s a shame toxic shitheads get views. But that doesn’t mean the brand image is damaged to the audience that matters to game freak, casuals and children.

I’m sure game freak knows how many people use bank, so they probably know how this will affect them overall. If these games do do well, then I can see future games retaining the cut dex and thus the older hardcore fans will be locked into being upset. Like a 2D vs 3D metroid, or Castlevania vs Metroidvania.
 
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Benzychenz

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Hating on anthropomorphic designs makes even less sense to me than repeat typing. At that point its 100% just character design preference and quickly goes into "but Pokemon should be more like real animals" nonsense.
How is that nonsense? It's a pretty common preference.
I went into Y mostly blind and was so disappointed when I evolved my Fennekin, ended up boxing it before the end of the game even.
 

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How is that nonsense? It's a pretty common preference.
I went into Y mostly blind and was so disappointed when I evolved my Fennekin, ended up boxing it before the end of the game even.
The whole stating "pokemon should be animals" opinion as fact part is nonsense. Preference is one thing but there's nothing justifying that.
"common preference" is also questionable (just reads like argumentum ad populum ?).
 

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Why does charizard shoot the flamethrower from his forehead?
Because he's a hothead


Serious answer is because they use a similar animation to prior and with the special attack animation, Charizard's head moves from optimal spot. They should fix this, I agree. It's things like this that hurt their case.
 

Bowser

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I wonder if there's still a chance these games will have voice acting, feels weird to see characters so expressive when talking and having to read the text.
 
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Those too, but not to the same extent as HGSS in my opinion.
Well to be fair, HGSS is almost the perfect pokémon game (if anything, feature bloated) so you can blame them. It's only faults are the ones that Crystal already had.

Now the strange ones are BW (Haven't played B2W2) They are ultralinear, story ends up being kinda whack (Neat character development) and you have a very limited poll of Pokémon until post game. Also training is as slow as ever.
 
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Well to be fair, HGSS is almost the perfect pokémon game (if anything, feature bloated) so you can blame them. It's only faults are the ones that Crystal already had.

Now the strange ones are BW (Haven't played B2W2) They are ultralinear, story ends up being kinda whack (Neat character development) and you have a very limited poll of Pokémon until post game. Also training is as slow as ever.
To me, HGSS is far from perfect. The level curve is atrocious. Many of the gen 2 Pokémon are locked to the post game for some reason and in my opinion most gen 2 Pokémon are bland and too many are single stage. The Kanto post game that everyone seems to like is just boring to me since it is featureless with underlevelled gyms and the wild Pokémon are a joke. Some of them have higher lvls in the actual Kanto games. The story is very simple.
I like the artstyle and Pokémon following you is quite cool. It's not that I don't like them, but I don't understand while they are sacred and untouchable.

I actually like that they are linear since I'm not a fan of backtracking, yea I'm weird. At least it has a story and I think it's okay. I really like the fact that you were forced to use new Pokémon in BW and not seeing the same ones that are in every game, but I do understand why people didn't like that. I also don't really like that many of them are obviously meant to be a counterpart to gen 1.
 
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I actually like that they are linear since I'm not a fan of backtracking, yea I'm weird. At least it has a story and I think it's okay. I really like the fact that you were forced to use new Pokémon in BW and not seeing the same ones that are in every game, but I do understand why people didn't like that. I also don't really like that many of them are obviously meant to be a counterpart to gen 1.
Yes, that's exactly why it took me so long to accept Gen V in general. They were kinda trying to do this "reset" of the franchise, by attempting to repeat the same formulas. Not only the videogames that had all these counterparts as you say, but even the anime giving Ash a lamer version of Misty and Brock as the gym leaders that accompany him (well, Iris wasn't technically a leader in the series, but still). They even released an atrocious attempt of PokéRap (that mentioned only like 50 Pokémon out of the 150+ they introduced). We didn't see older Pokémon in the anime besides Meowth and Pikachu for several seasons as well. The only good thing was the re-introduction of Who's That Pokémon? segment, and I did like a little how the Team Rocket became "serious" for a while.

Still, I recognize that being forced to use only the new Pokémon till you beat the game was a nice experiment, and knowing that at the end I was gonna be able to bring all the older Pokémon in, made everything fine. I also liked the advancements we saw in the UI, especially the box system. Many of my friends skipped Gen V, and when they came back to Pokémon with Gen VI, they kept being surprised by features or stuff that they attributed to Gen VI and I kept telling them like, "no, this or that exists since Gen V".
 

TriggerShy

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Yes, that's exactly why it took me so long to accept Gen V in general. They were kinda trying to do this "reset" of the franchise, by attempting to repeat the same formulas. Not only the videogames that had all these counterparts as you say, but even the anime giving Ash a lamer version of Misty and Brock as the gym leaders that accompany him (well, Iris wasn't technically a leader in the series, but still). They even released an atrocious attempt of PokéRap (that mentioned only like 50 Pokémon out of the 150+ they introduced). We didn't see older Pokémon in the anime besides Meowth and Pikachu for several seasons as well. The only good thing was the re-introduction of Who's That Pokémon? segment, and I did like a little how the Team Rocket became "serious" for a while.
I don't think the whole counterparts thing was done as a "reset" but done because of the fact that you couldn't use any of the old Pokémon until the post game. So it was mostly to communicate to veteran players what they can expect from certain Pokémon. Also, I'm pretty sure a few of the "counterparts" weren't even made with Gen 1 in mind, Throh, for example, was originally supposed to be in Sinnoh, but was put in Unova with Sawk created as a counterpart to it. Musharna's creator, Atsuko Nishida (also creator of Pikachu), was allowed to create anything and came up with Musharna as a tapir with dreams coming out of it's head, so even though it's similar to Drowzee as a tapir related to dreams, I'm guessing it was just a coincidence. Honestly though, I never got any of the "redundancy" complaints, like, as much as people like to point at the Timburr line being similar to the Machop line, they're still different enough in my eyes, one are construction workers, the other are body builders/wrestlers. I personally don't get the idea that just because it was done before means it can't be done again a little differently, like I don't see anything wrong with Yamper, Impidimp, or Alcremie just because we already have an Electric dog (Electrike), a goblin-like creature (Sableye) and a cake (Slurpuff). Although I will admit that I generally like it when Pokémon look good together, so when some Pokémon share a theme or some similarities, I really appreciate it.

Also, up to Gen 5, every generation got a "Pokérap" except Gen 4. Both Johto and Hoenn have one:



And Unova got two, you already mention one, here is the other with all the Pokémon, but it's Japanese only:

 

Sandfox

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Well to be fair, HGSS is almost the perfect pokémon game (if anything, feature bloated) so you can blame them. It's only faults are the ones that Crystal already had.

Now the strange ones are BW (Haven't played B2W2) They are ultralinear, story ends up being kinda whack (Neat character development) and you have a very limited poll of Pokémon until post game. Also training is as slow as ever.
HGSS definitely has it's own problems like having the worst Safari Zone in the series(which is probably why it got cut). Those games just have a lot of nostalgia.
 

TimeFire

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I've never managed to go far in BW because the early-mid Pokémon pool is horrendous. Really limited and filled with lame monsters. My favourite game is stil Ruby or Platinum. (Or X 👀)

HGSS is also dope but super unbalanced
 

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To me dpp and hgss would be timeless if not for how slow they are. Can’t really play them without speed hacks anymore
 

brinstar

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I've always thought Gold/Silver was whack, even the original on release.

To me, HGSS is far from perfect. The level curve is atrocious. Many of the gen 2 Pokémon are locked to the post game for some reason and in my opinion most gen 2 Pokémon are bland and too many are single stage. The Kanto post game that everyone seems to like is just boring to me since it is featureless with underlevelled gyms and the wild Pokémon are a joke. Some of them have higher lvls in the actual Kanto games. The story is very simple.
I like the artstyle and Pokémon following you is quite cool. It's not that I don't like them, but I don't understand while they are sacred and untouchable.
Exactly.
 

TimeFire

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At least I can say I honest to god didn't notice DP's slowness when it released lol

I was just happy to get the running shoes so early.
 

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Well hopefully. I just want a place I can trade and battle honestly. Yeah review thread will prob be a graveyard.
I can see review vids getting a good number of dislikes if the reviews are good or bad. But I expect ShSw to review similarly to the previous 2 gens unless critics factor dexit into their scores
 
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I can see review vids getting a good number of dislikes if the reviews are good or bad. But I expect ShSw to review similarly to the previous 2 gens unless critics factor dexit into their scores
I can almost see the official reviews praising SwSh in some way for reducing the roster, I don't know why I have that feeling, maybe because of how little importance it has been given to the news (at least what I've read so far) by most media outlets. Or maybe they don't even take it into account.
 

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I can almost see the official reviews praising SwSh in some way for reducing the roster, I don't know why I have that feeling, maybe because of how little importance it has been given to the news (at least what I've read so far) by most media outlets. Or maybe they don't even take it into account.
They wont take it into account because it won't change their experience of the game.

Plus it is more a Home problem than a Sw/Sh problem imo.
 

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I can almost see the official reviews praising SwSh in some way for reducing the roster, I don't know why I have that feeling, maybe because of how little importance it has been given to the news (at least what I've read so far) by most media outlets. Or maybe they don't even take it into account.
Even if you could transfer every single Pokemon into Sw/Sh you wouldn't be able to do it until sometime in 2020 so I doubt that would have much of an effect on the game reviewers are playing.
 

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That it's how Wingull flies and that it has been used in all mass media for how it flies without changing altitude
Have we seen Wingull fly yet in Sword and Shield? I can only recall seeing them hover about and pivot on the spot as if they were following the same routine as a grounded Pokemon.
 

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Have we seen Wingull fly yet in Sword and Shield? I can only recall seeing them hover about and pivot on the spot as if they were following the same routine as a grounded Pokemon.
They move around using the walk/run animation that has existed for a while, yeah.

Really, they needed to put Wingull higher, then this whole mess wouldn't be a thing with Wingull
 

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Even if you could transfer every single Pokemon into Sw/Sh you wouldn't be able to do it until sometime in 2020 so I doubt that would have much of an effect on the game reviewers are playing.
Yep.

The game as of November 2019 is the same as it would be if they inexplicably got all Pokémon in without any additional sacrifices to the game. HOME isn't for months
 

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I can almost see the official reviews praising SwSh in some way for reducing the roster, I don't know why I have that feeling, maybe because of how little importance it has been given to the news (at least what I've read so far) by most media outlets. Or maybe they don't even take it into account.
The media will be "it's the best pokemon games to date" like the usual.
 
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I can almost see the official reviews praising SwSh in some way for reducing the roster, I don't know why I have that feeling, maybe because of how little importance it has been given to the news (at least what I've read so far) by most media outlets. Or maybe they don't even take it into account.
Pokemon games always receive universal praise in reviews. I honestly don't know what reviewers even look at when they play them because some of the complaints I have, or that I feel like the community has, are largely glossed over
 
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At least I can say I honest to god didn't notice DP's slowness when it released lol

I was just happy to get the running shoes so early.
I just remember how marvelous Pearl looked to me (and Platinum even more) I just felt like they were so modern in comparison to GBA, and I think it was only for the touch screen lol The Pokédex was so fun to use. And making the Poffins as well

But everything in general, I remember the battles looked so great to my eyes, because they had more color in the background

 

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I can almost see the official reviews praising SwSh in some way for reducing the roster, I don't know why I have that feeling, maybe because of how little importance it has been given to the news (at least what I've read so far) by most media outlets. Or maybe they don't even take it into account.
It entirely depends on the reviewer's personal experience with Pokemon. I for example won't be hurt by the cut for SwSh since I didn't save any Pokemon from the 2 games I did play which were Sapphire and Diamond. So I imagine it likely won't factor in their reviews as critics seem to base a game on its own merits. Plus Pokemon Home won't be ready at launch so that makes it even less of a factor.

Still, the wonder how bad the outrage will be if the games review better than previous entries.
 
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