It's gonna be interesting going forward as people grow agitated at their favorites not making it into the games, threads devolving into personal attacks, criticizing choice decisions, etc.
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It's gonna be interesting going forward as people grow agitated at their favorites not making it into the games, threads devolving into personal attacks, criticizing choice decisions, etc.
I already lost Pichu, Mewtwo, Ivy and Squirtle once before in Smash.
Might be most of their last Smash game im guessing.
Ran some maths on how much representation each generation has at the moment.
Gen 1: 38 (25.1% of Gen 1 Pokemon)
Gen 2: 21 (21.0% of Gen 2 Pokemon)
Gen 3: 24 (17.7% of Gen 3 Pokemon)
Gen 4: 24 (22.4% of Gen 4 Pokemon)
Gen 5: 33 (21.1% of Gen 5 Pokemon)
Gen 6: 24 (33.3% of Gen 6 Pokemon)
Gen 7: 19 (21.5% of Gen 7 Pokemon)
Total Legacy Pokemon: 183/809
Gen 8: 14 (15 if you count Impidimp though he hasn't officially been revealed yet.)
With Dynamax that's about 200+ Models at the moment (In legacy, there's only 4 pokemon with alternate forms revealed so far, Wishiwashi, Frillish and Jellicent and Pikachu with it's many, many hat variants. Not Cosplay 'Chu though, RIP Pikachu Libre)
Also fun fact for ya all. There are more Gen 5 and Gen 6 pokemon in the Galar regional dex than there were in Base Sun and Moon now (There were 28 Unova mons and 14 Kalos mons). Let's hope they keep those numbers increasing and don't stop there.
Gen 1: 38 (25.1% of Gen 1 Pokemon)
Gen 2: 21 (21.0% of Gen 2 Pokemon)
Gen 3: 24 (17.7% of Gen 3 Pokemon)
Gen 4: 24 (22.4% of Gen 4 Pokemon)
Gen 5: 33 (21.1% of Gen 5 Pokemon)
Gen 6: 24 (33.3% of Gen 6 Pokemon)
Gen 7: 19 (21.5% of Gen 7 Pokemon)
Total Legacy Pokemon: 183/809
Gen 8: 14 (15 if you count Impidimp though he hasn't officially been revealed yet.)
With Dynamax that's about 200+ Models at the moment (In legacy, there's only 4 pokemon with alternate forms revealed so far, Wishiwashi, Frillish and Jellicent and Pikachu with it's many, many hat variants. Not Cosplay 'Chu though, RIP Pikachu Libre)
Also fun fact for ya all. There are more Gen 5 and Gen 6 pokemon in the Galar regional dex than there were in Base Sun and Moon now (There were 28 Unova mons and 14 Kalos mons). Let's hope they keep those numbers increasing and don't stop there.
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Have they said Victini won't be in the game or something? I think Mew being in sort of throws the whole "old mythicals and legendaries most likely won't be in" to the wind. *waits for "but Mew is different" comment*
You probably shouldn't say "exact same" because they aren't the exact same, hence why you can tell when it switches between the two.
Percentage-wise it's pretty even so far. Though I expect Gen I to increase because of Let's Go.
You can tell because the textures and shaders change. They are otherwise 100% identical.
I mean, Mew is only in because it's the $50 Mew you get from the Pokeball controller, so at the moment it, it literally is "But Mew is different".
Can you also put how each gen is represented percentage wise ? Numbers of Pokemon by gen can vary greatly
Added, percent splits are as follows.
Gen 1: 38 (25.1% of Gen 1 Pokemon)
Gen 2: 21 (21.0% of Gen 2 Pokemon)
Gen 3: 24 (17.7% of Gen 3 Pokemon)
Gen 4: 24 (22.4% of Gen 4 Pokemon)
Gen 5: 33 (21.1% of Gen 5 Pokemon)
Gen 6: 24 (33.3% of Gen 6 Pokemon)
Gen 7: 19 (21.5% of Gen 7 Pokemon)
NOTE: This isn't including alternate forms, as things get confusing if you consider Mega's and Alolan's either part of Gen 6/Gen 7 as that's the generation they first appeared in, or if you count them to the generation the Mega/Alolan for that pokemon is originally from.
It's nice (and surprising) to see a generation other than Gen 1 have the highest percentage. Although Gen 1 sadly have the highest amount in the Galar dex so far.
To be honest from Gamefreak's perspective limiting the Pokedex is a genius idea. You lower development costs, you have an easier time balancing the games, you can leverage favourite Pokemon against players as benefits for future mainline titles and you force your whole audience to use an additional paid subscription service if they want to keep their favourite Mons.
They are making more money by doing less, which company wouldn't do it?
They are making more money by doing less, which company wouldn't do it?
Well, this is just the ones we know so far from the few videos and screenshots we've seen. There will be many more for sure.
A reminder that every other game had 100% coverage for all generations in it*. This game really needs to be hitting the 75-80% at minimum for my own personal standards and even then you are still going to get people annoyed certain mons will be missing.
*Well, except Let's Go, that game had the following distribution.
Gen 1: 151 (100% of Gen 1 Pokemon)
Gen 2: 0 (0.0% of Gen 2 Pokemon)
Gen 3: 0 (0.0% of Gen 3 Pokemon)
Gen 4: 0 (0.0% of Gen 4 Pokemon)
Gen 5: 0 (0.0% of Gen 5 Pokemon)
Gen 6: 0 (0.0% of Gen 6 Pokemon)
Gen 7: 2 (2.2% of Gen 7 Pokemon)
SwSh is already better than Let's Go just by having more pokemon in it alone, and that's before going into the numerous other problems Let's Go had.
To clarify, the gif is showing the same 3DS model but toggling lighting to show how shading can make the teeth look thinner (which was the contention with the side by side comparison).
I wouldn't be surprised if Gen 1 had the most reps, even more than the number of new pokemon. Also, I'm still somewhat convinced megas will be retooled as gigatomax forms...
I think the change I want to see most is nerfing/fixing Fairy type. I thought Fairy type was a good idea when they debuted in XY but two gens later I think they whiffed the execution.
Their strengths/weaknesses are probably the least intuitive of the 18 types, and the nerf to Dragon type was too much.
Change resistance to Dragon from 0x to .5x, and give them a third weakness, to Fire maybe (since Fire already resists Fairy for some reason, it would make their type chart easier to remember, and Stealth Rock makes Fire types useless already so maybe this will buff Fire enough), or maybe to Bug type to stick with the theme of "Fairy is only weak to the shittiest attacking types."
Their strengths/weaknesses are probably the least intuitive of the 18 types, and the nerf to Dragon type was too much.
Change resistance to Dragon from 0x to .5x, and give them a third weakness, to Fire maybe (since Fire already resists Fairy for some reason, it would make their type chart easier to remember, and Stealth Rock makes Fire types useless already so maybe this will buff Fire enough), or maybe to Bug type to stick with the theme of "Fairy is only weak to the shittiest attacking types."
It debuted in a Gen 7 mainline game (Well, technically is debuted in Go, but could be transfered to a Gen 7 game) so it's Gen 7.
Heck, it isn't even confirmed for Galar yet.
I'm expecting around 600 or something like that. Not all of them, but still a good chunk and enough to have a lot of variety.
As far as I know, Meltan and Melmetal are both Gen 7.
How is that more inappropriate then trying to frame someone for rape?
Updated the Chart at last.
Additions to 0.3
- Lapras Added
- Mawile Added
- Ferrothorn Family Added
- Toxapex Family Added
- Fixed Numbering from Mudkip Line
That's great (I mean, the chart, not the fact that they're getting cut)
You're still missing Mega Heracross though (it's missing the cross)
Megas are gonna but Gigantamax exists, and all those X'd out megas are slowly all belonging to Pokemon in the Galar Dex. I am getting more certain that megas are repuprosed and not removed, too much of a coincidence for me.
I feel like if they can get rid of something and reduce the work, they should stick to it and not go halfway. Let's Go and Masters are the last hoorah for that feature maybe.
It seems absolutely bizarre to me that you'd create a game for newbies and introduce a battle mechanic to those new fans only to gut it in the following year.
I'm still hopeful that the mega cut quote has room for interpretation and they're just post game.
I'm still hopeful that the mega cut quote has room for interpretation and they're just post game.
the kicker is that LG uses the same catalog as the other games and that catalog does differentiate generations
The difference is that those two were always planned for Gold/Silver and the games were supposed to release in 1997, the same year the anime started.
I don't think Megas will appear as Gigantamax forms. Like what would be the explanation for both phenomena resulting in the same form without having the Mega stones? If any, I think they'll take the chance to give them completely new forms (especially Charizard and Mewtwo).
But we'll have to wait and see.
But we'll have to wait and see.
The explanation could be that those mons always had that power inside them and the only thing changing is the way it's been awakened in different parts of the world
They're 100% recycling models and animations, but they keep on saying otherwise because their defense force continue on defending them
Asset cataloguing.
Basically, since the move to 3D, the assets don't share National Dex Numbers
001-649 are the same.
Then with Gen 6 it shifts to 701 and goes up to 774 with a couple of gaps.
0701 #676 Furfrou
0702 #708 Phantump
0703 #709 Trevenant
0704 #667 Litleo
0705 #668 Pyroar
0706 #664 Scatterbug
0707 #665 Spewpa
0708 #666 Vivillon
0709 #690 Skrelp
0710 #691 Dragalge
0711 #659 Bunnelby
0712 #660 Diggersby
0713 #669 Flabébé
0714 #670 Floette
0715 #671 Florges
0716 #714 Noibat
0717 #653 Fennekin
0718 #654 Braixen
0719 #655 Delphox
0720 #650 Chespin
0721 #651 Quilladin
0722 #652 Chesnaught
0723 #656 Froakie
0724 #657 Frogadier
0725 #658 Greninja
0726 #686 Inkay
0727 #687 Malamar
0728 #672 Skiddo
0729 #673 Gogoat
0730 #675 Pangoro
0731 #694 Helioptile
0732 #695 Heliolisk
0733 #677 Espurr
0734 #678 Meowstic
0735 #710 Pumpkaboo
0736 #711 Gourgeist
0737 #696 Tyrunt
0738 #697 Tyrantrum
0739 #698 Amaura
0740 #699 Aurorus
0741 #702 Dedenne
0742 #684 Swirlix
0743 #685 Slurpuff
0744 #679 Honedge
0745 #680 Doublade
0746 #681 Aegislash
0747 #688 Binacle
0748 #689 Barbaracle
0749 #712 Bergmite
0750
0751 #713 Avalugg
0752 #674 Pancham
0753 #661 Fletchling
0754 #662 Fletchinder
0755 #663 Talonflame
0756 #692 Clauncher
0757 #693 Clawitzer
0758 #682 Spritzee
0759 #683 Aromatisse
0760 #707 Klefki
0761 #701 Hawlucha
0762 #715 Noivern
0763 #704 Goomy
0764 #705 Sliggoo
0765 #706 Goodra
0766 #703 Carbink
0767 #700 Sylveon
0768 #716 Xerneas
0769 #717 Yveltal
0770 #718 Zygarde
0771
0772 #719 Diancie
0773 #721 Volcanion
0774 #720 Hoopa
0702 #708 Phantump
0703 #709 Trevenant
0704 #667 Litleo
0705 #668 Pyroar
0706 #664 Scatterbug
0707 #665 Spewpa
0708 #666 Vivillon
0709 #690 Skrelp
0710 #691 Dragalge
0711 #659 Bunnelby
0712 #660 Diggersby
0713 #669 Flabébé
0714 #670 Floette
0715 #671 Florges
0716 #714 Noibat
0717 #653 Fennekin
0718 #654 Braixen
0719 #655 Delphox
0720 #650 Chespin
0721 #651 Quilladin
0722 #652 Chesnaught
0723 #656 Froakie
0724 #657 Frogadier
0725 #658 Greninja
0726 #686 Inkay
0727 #687 Malamar
0728 #672 Skiddo
0729 #673 Gogoat
0730 #675 Pangoro
0731 #694 Helioptile
0732 #695 Heliolisk
0733 #677 Espurr
0734 #678 Meowstic
0735 #710 Pumpkaboo
0736 #711 Gourgeist
0737 #696 Tyrunt
0738 #697 Tyrantrum
0739 #698 Amaura
0740 #699 Aurorus
0741 #702 Dedenne
0742 #684 Swirlix
0743 #685 Slurpuff
0744 #679 Honedge
0745 #680 Doublade
0746 #681 Aegislash
0747 #688 Binacle
0748 #689 Barbaracle
0749 #712 Bergmite
0750
0751 #713 Avalugg
0752 #674 Pancham
0753 #661 Fletchling
0754 #662 Fletchinder
0755 #663 Talonflame
0756 #692 Clauncher
0757 #693 Clawitzer
0758 #682 Spritzee
0759 #683 Aromatisse
0760 #707 Klefki
0761 #701 Hawlucha
0762 #715 Noivern
0763 #704 Goomy
0764 #705 Sliggoo
0765 #706 Goodra
0766 #703 Carbink
0767 #700 Sylveon
0768 #716 Xerneas
0769 #717 Yveltal
0770 #718 Zygarde
0771
0772 #719 Diancie
0773 #721 Volcanion
0774 #720 Hoopa
0801 #747 Mareanie
0802 #748 Toxapex
0803 #755 Morelull
0804 #756 Shiinotic
0805 #757 Salandit
0806 #758 Salazzle
0807 #731 Pikipek
0808 #732 Trumbeak
0809 #733 Toucannon
0810 #765 Oranguru
0811 #775 Komala
0812 #761 Bounsweet
0813 #762 Steenee
0814 #763 Tsareena
0815 #766 Passimian
0816 #782 Jangmo-o
0817 #783 Hakamo-o
0818 #784 Kommo-o
0819 #778 Mimikyu
0820 #746 Wishiwashi
0821 #771 Pyukumuku
0822 #769 Sandygast
0823 #770 Palossand
0824 #774 Minior
0825 #741 Oricorio
0826 #734 Yungoos
0827 #735 Gumshoos
0828 #744 Rockruff
0829 #745 Lycanroc
0830 #785 Tapu Koko
0831 #786 Tapu Lele
0832 #787 Tapu Bulu
0833 #788 Tapu Fini
0834 #742 Cutiefly
0835 #743 Ribombee
0836 #736 Grubbin
0837 #737 Charjabug
0838 #738 Vikavolt
0839 #749 Mudbray
0840 #750 Mudsdale
0841 #722 Rowlet
0842 #723 Dartrix
0843 #724 Decidueye
0844 #725 Litten
0845 #726 Torracat
0846 #727 Incineroar
0847 #728 Popplio
0848 #729 Brionne
0849 #730 Primarina
0850 #751 Dewpider
0851 #752 Araquanid
0852 #759 Stufful
0853 #760 Bewear
0854 #776 Turtonator
0855 #779 Bruxish
0856 #780 Drampa
0857 #781 Dhelmise
0858
0859 #739 Crabrawler
0860 #740 Crabominable
0861 #772 Type: Null
0862 #773 Silvally
0863 #764 Comfey
0864
0865 #800 Necrozma
0866 #767 Wimpod
0867 #768 Golisopod
0868 #753 Fomantis
0869 #754 Lurantis
0870
0871 #789 Cosmog
0872 #790 Cosmoem
0873 #791 Solgaleo
0874 #792 Lunala
0875 #793 Nihilego
0876 #799 Guzzlord
0877 #794 Buzzwole
0878 #796 Xurkitree
0879 #795 Pheromosa
0880 #798 Kartana
0881 #797 Celesteela
0882 #801 Magearna
0883 #802 Marshadow
0884 #805 Stakataka
0885 #806 Blacephalon
0886 #803 Poipole
0887 #804 Naganadel
0888 #807 Zeraora
0889
0890
0891 #808 Meltan
0892 #809 Meltan
0802 #748 Toxapex
0803 #755 Morelull
0804 #756 Shiinotic
0805 #757 Salandit
0806 #758 Salazzle
0807 #731 Pikipek
0808 #732 Trumbeak
0809 #733 Toucannon
0810 #765 Oranguru
0811 #775 Komala
0812 #761 Bounsweet
0813 #762 Steenee
0814 #763 Tsareena
0815 #766 Passimian
0816 #782 Jangmo-o
0817 #783 Hakamo-o
0818 #784 Kommo-o
0819 #778 Mimikyu
0820 #746 Wishiwashi
0821 #771 Pyukumuku
0822 #769 Sandygast
0823 #770 Palossand
0824 #774 Minior
0825 #741 Oricorio
0826 #734 Yungoos
0827 #735 Gumshoos
0828 #744 Rockruff
0829 #745 Lycanroc
0830 #785 Tapu Koko
0831 #786 Tapu Lele
0832 #787 Tapu Bulu
0833 #788 Tapu Fini
0834 #742 Cutiefly
0835 #743 Ribombee
0836 #736 Grubbin
0837 #737 Charjabug
0838 #738 Vikavolt
0839 #749 Mudbray
0840 #750 Mudsdale
0841 #722 Rowlet
0842 #723 Dartrix
0843 #724 Decidueye
0844 #725 Litten
0845 #726 Torracat
0846 #727 Incineroar
0847 #728 Popplio
0848 #729 Brionne
0849 #730 Primarina
0850 #751 Dewpider
0851 #752 Araquanid
0852 #759 Stufful
0853 #760 Bewear
0854 #776 Turtonator
0855 #779 Bruxish
0856 #780 Drampa
0857 #781 Dhelmise
0858
0859 #739 Crabrawler
0860 #740 Crabominable
0861 #772 Type: Null
0862 #773 Silvally
0863 #764 Comfey
0864
0865 #800 Necrozma
0866 #767 Wimpod
0867 #768 Golisopod
0868 #753 Fomantis
0869 #754 Lurantis
0870
0871 #789 Cosmog
0872 #790 Cosmoem
0873 #791 Solgaleo
0874 #792 Lunala
0875 #793 Nihilego
0876 #799 Guzzlord
0877 #794 Buzzwole
0878 #796 Xurkitree
0879 #795 Pheromosa
0880 #798 Kartana
0881 #797 Celesteela
0882 #801 Magearna
0883 #802 Marshadow
0884 #805 Stakataka
0885 #806 Blacephalon
0886 #803 Poipole
0887 #804 Naganadel
0888 #807 Zeraora
0889
0890
0891 #808 Meltan
0892 #809 Meltan
Gen 8 should start with 901
I 100% expect some of the Mega designs to be recycled into Gigantamax designs and if they ever do another game with Megas and no Gigantamax then I could see them recycling some of those designs as Megas. It can easily be explained in universe as the two things activating a similar power in Pokemon.
I sure hope we have more than half the Pokemon, but I'm honestly not expecting anything more than 300.
Well, we haven't seen much of the game yet and we have around 170 or so confirmed already, so there's no reason to expect so few.
Granted, there's no reason to expect a lot of them either, but I think you can set your expectations a bit higher than that.
Galar and Kalos are close. Megas are crystalized souls of dead Pokemon juicing up the Pokemon with Infinity Energy, and its been told to be painful. So. What I figure is that since Gigantamax looks to not require an item, then what fuels them? Infinity Energy. And what do we know about gyms and raid spots? That they are in specific spots that can bring about D-Max/G-Max. Sooooo, think about them like Ley Lines, where the gyms line up to allow Pokemon to tap into infinity energy. Also, think about the angry red energy and clouds forming around the Pokemon. All that pent up energy in megas now is releasing much more easily thanks to the giant size of the Pokemom, making this True Mega Evolution.
More so, the ley lines will look like the alchemic diagram for the elements, it lines up. And further more, we will be able to catch Xerneas and Yveltal in the post game, as they will likely be revealed to be from Galar. That crater in the wall and the forest south of the Starting Town? Yeah those are its natural habitats.
Its finally time for Deepest Lore to finally happen, and there is no stopping the hype train!
Conspiracy theories aside, yeah, I think the explanation that the energy from a mega stone and the energy from the spots that allow Gigantamax being the same or similar kinds of energy works.
But Gigantamax won't be available for everyone. How will they explain that some Charizard get the Gigantamax / Mega form, but others just become a big Charizard? Or that some become the X and others the Y?
Also, in the technical aspect, we've seen Gigantamax Pokémon have their official artwork and are classified as "Gigantamax Alcremie", "Gigantamax Drednaw" how are they gonna treat Mega Gigantamax forms? I just don't see them re-naming Mega Charizard X or Mega Charizard Y as Gigantamax Charizard X and Gigantamax Charizard Y. It makes more sense that there is just a Gigantamax Charizard, with a whole new design. It's as if they suddenly treated Deoxys' formes as Mega Deoxys Speed or Mega Deoxys Defense in Gen V. I suppose they're even trademarked as Mega [name of the Pokémon]. And I don't see them either going for the route of "Charizard gigantamaxes to a Mega Charizard X."
I mean, anything is possible and they can do whatever they want without giving any explanation (like how they never explained the selection of Pokémon that can Mega-evolve) but I just don't see them re-naming or completely changing the purpose or even the name of past concept that is already tied to a design and some sort of form classification.
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They can say that a mega stone is like a laser focused version of the energy, so it works on all Pokemon of a species, but the energy from the locations that cause Dynamax and Gigantamax isn't as focused, but there is more of it allowing any Pokemon to use Dynamax, but only very specific Pokemon of a species can focus the energy in the right way to trigger Gigantamax.
As for how they pick between forms, idk.
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