I mean at least 3 main characters in the Pokemon anime have caught an eevee before
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Online game is sadly not a challenge, just a grind against perfect hacked teams that force you to play that game too or scram.
My roommate at the time and I pored over the entire demo-leaked dex planning our teams out for SuMo but when I actually got the game it was totally not feasible to get my planned team together. Kommo-o being like 80% through the game is rough but fair as it's the pseudo, but a lot of other ones are silly. Took me forever to get an evolution-capable salandit after my ignorant self wasted time with male one for a while. Dhelmise wasn't one I picked but I always remember looking that up because I'd never seen it and finding out that there is 1 'tile' in the game where you can fish and have a 10% chance to find it. SuMo was a weird experience for me.
well game freak already say they are addressing that, and implemething things that will help every pokemon you get being viable.
how well they nail it, its to be seen
Yes, but the Gunpla anime aren't just UC nostalgia bait as they focus on the whole franchise, like the first Build Fighters had the main character with a Seed Gundam and Try had a focus on G. The current Divers anime has almost nothing to do with early UC and even Gundam-wise it's pretty different from other series featuring a bunch of kemono characters.
If Pokémon gave Alola and Gygantamax forms to an all star roster of popular Pokémon from all generations people wouldn't complain about nostalgia so much. The problem is how strong and focused on a specific gen it is.
Not as nostalgic as they are for who has the hots for who as teenagers!
Or not exploring the Digital World and instead stay at home and deal with high school drama!
That's what adventure is all about...
Another thing on Digimon; the last v-pet sold itself on new forms for the Seven Demon Lords, and the next one has Gankoomon X and Examon X as its headliners.
It sure as shit ain't the new form for RizeGreymon that's selling this stuff.
It sure as shit ain't the new form for RizeGreymon that's selling this stuff.
So 3 Characters over 20 years had one to represent the new generational evolutions? I don't see Sylveon as gen1 pandering, more like a logical step in adding layers to what is known as "the evolution Pokemon"
And all that certainly has put Digimon back on the map right?
I mean all the kids are into Digimon amirite?
SEED is like, on a similar tier to UC. And even then there's the fact that Gundam tends to draw heavily from the UC mold for character roles and mech designs.
I definitely think there's leniency in it since it's literally Eevee's gimmick to have multiple evolutions. But as a result Eevee gets boosts all the time both inside of outside of the main games. Let's also not forget Eevee's exclusive Z-move last gen too. And like I said, it's in the anime a lot, and most of that is due to eevee getting something new. Gen 3 was the last time there wasn't something going on with eevee (i'm ignoring May's Eevee because ultimately it was for Glaceon in DP).
it's selling well with the people they want it to sell with. They've mostly given up on kids, tbh.
(my question was whether or not that's enough to be a meme instead of more obvious choices)
May's eevee never evolved. And I'm not including other notable eevee's or trainers who use eeveelutions like Gary's eevee, Ilima's eevee, Gladion's Umbreon, etc.
Looked it up, was wrong, May's eevee did evolve, but only when she cameo'd in the Diamond and Pearl anime and not during her main run
And that's a death sentence. Kids and teens are what keep these franchises alive, whether we like it or not.
The argument is here that you don't need to just pander to one or the other. it's possible to give something to all kinds of fans. Pokemon had no problem doing that for 5 generations
I really hope they do. The AI in the battle facilities was sometimes a cheating asshole but at least it was feasible to beat it and farm points with some strategy and halfway decent IV mons that were EV trained without going 100% anal for nature and 31 IV in all stats.
I don't disagree with that, but it's mostly the franchise looking back as its core and picking what's "essential" for a Gundam show, but making something new. Sometimes it work, sometimes it doesn't.
I don't think people get mad when new Pikaclones are announced as they're new Pokémon and not just giving more stuff to Pikachu and they're basically the Charclones of Pokémon.
it's working for them.
but if you want kids brands that have succeeded at going back to the well... Transformers and Ben 10 are doing pretty well for themselves, and their current iterations draw heavily on their original incarnations.
I think its telling you're only really talking about the anime, but let me know when Ash uses one instead of just being on the sidelines just like Sun and Moon or Being part of the dance team in XY. Gladion didn't even use his Umbreon in their match :/
I think if you're using the anime as a metric then Meowth is the easy pick.
Craniamon- 2005
Alphamon- 2003
Omnimon- 1999
Crusadermon- 2002
Dynasmon- 2002
Examon- 2007
Gallantmon- 2001
Jesmon- 2014
Duftmon- 2007
Magnamon-2000
Sleipmon- 2005
Ulforce V-Dramon- 2002
There, please tell me how these digimon fall under Adventures nostalgia when most of them were release years after the show ended.
Alphamon- 2003
Omnimon- 1999
Crusadermon- 2002
Dynasmon- 2002
Examon- 2007
Gallantmon- 2001
Jesmon- 2014
Duftmon- 2007
Magnamon-2000
Sleipmon- 2005
Ulforce V-Dramon- 2002
There, please tell me how these digimon fall under Adventures nostalgia when most of them were release years after the show ended.
fair enough. I think we've both made good points here, and you've given me a lot to think about.
I wasn't saying those things are literally Adventure related. But they're definitely a thing a lot of Digimon fans have nostalgia for and they're heavily leaned upon just like Adventure is.
I totally agree that the trio of Pokemon most heavily marketed and pushed are Charizard, Mewtwo, and Pikachu. I wouldn't be surprised to see a Gigantamax Mew or Mewtwo (if we have DP remakes this gen we are certainly seeing a 'True Form' Gigantamax Arceus and I'm genuinely excited for that).
Eevee also makes sense as a mascot for Pokemon because of its many typed evolutions and cuteness, I feel like that may have been the original intention before Pikachu took off. I still want a new Eeveelution.
Gunpla series are all about the entire history of the show. Gundam Build Fighters for example had the main characters using modified Strike Gundam and Astray (Gundam SEED), Gundam X (After War Gundam X), Wing Gundam (Gundam Wing), Gouf (Mobile Suit Gundam), Kampfer (War in the Pocket), Exia (Gundam 00), and Qubeley (Zeta Gundam).
Look at that wide range of shows and OVAs, representing material from 1979 up to 2007! Gundam X was a series that was flat-out canceled and ended early for being unpopular and it still got to be Maoh's main Gunpla.
In fact, isn't the only one from Adventure 01 proper (and that being from the Adventure movie) Omegamon/Omnimon? You have a few others that appeared around the same time as Adventure 01 in Digimon Media such as Ulforce Veedramon (in the V-Tamer manga) and in games/Digivices/trading cards and stuff, but only Omegamon has anything to do with Adventure all IIRC. Then with Adventure 02 we got Magnamon and Imperialdramon and stuff, but the majority of the Royal Knights have nothing to do with either Adventure series and the "Royal Knights" themselves as a concept definitely didn't pop up until later in the anime and definitely have nothing to do with Adventure nostalgia regardless.
Eevee is definitely used often. I don't have an issue with it at all though, it evolves into 8 different things so there's lots of potential. Sucks that only Eevee is getting a Gigantamax and not any of its evolutions though.
But the three main characters were focused on SEED and UC; at least until Yuuki started piloting an Exia in order to capitalize on 00's being ready to be referenced thanks to anime exclusivity rights expiring. And 00 is almost as big as SEED and UC for how much it prints money.
Another franchise I can think of relying too much on genwunnerism is Medabots as every game features Rokusho and Metabee and that franchise is super washed up. There's something about relying too much on the same roster that holds back a few franchises.
You're missing a few good ones, even if you already watched the best one (Turn A). But I won't recommend them as you disliked the masterpiece G-Reco. >:(
Can't tell if you're joking cuz literally every Gundam fan I know hates it lol
peiple are stretching my words. I referred to the Knights and Demon Lords as two separate things along WITH Adventure that Bandai leans on.
The original intention was Clefairy iirc. Now that's something that got neglected.
This would really suck.
I've been wanting some new evolutions for Eevee for a long time.
At least we can finally say Eevee has a "normal type" evolution I guess.
Genuinely enjoy it for being a very unique show with some political commentary that feels more modern than just the usual rehash of UC WW2 inspired themes. It's very flawed in pacing and dialogue doesn't make any sense sometimes, so I get it. lol
Gone forever next gen for whatever gimmick they come up with then.
That's the single thing I still expect from this gen after being disappointed so much. A new eeveelution. A Dragon Eevee would look so cool/cute. I really hope this exclusive badly designed gimmicky form doesn't take it's place
It's not a bad show by any means but man the Tominoisms are in full force, characters acting like weird space aliens all the time. His previous shows had it but not as extreme. Even he said he wasn't happy with it. I did really like the art direction if that counts for anything.
I mean, you literally say "they were focused on SEED and UC, until they were focused on another show."
Gundam Build Fighters was "nostalgia pandering" to a show released in 1979, an OVA released in 1989, a show released in 2002, and a show released in 2007.
Pokemon is nostalgia pandering only to the games released in 1996.
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I doubt we're getting one this gen. An eeveelution is definitely something they would've revealed early on
Guys explain to me like I'm 5. There's no way to obtain Pikachunky unless I played Let's Go Pikachu?
But doesn't that itself make a very interesting point in that case, even if it's not necessarily the one you were trying to make? That if you want to argue that Royal Knights is nonetheless still nostalgia pandering, that's fine. But even if so "Royal Knights nostalgia pandering" would be more equivalent to something, like, say pandering to fans of Gen 3 in Pokémon or something, Idk, because the point is that the Royal Knights as such, along with most of the members themselves, were not a concept from the beginning of Digimon or anything (with the Royal Knights as a concept really taking off around the time of stuff like the X-Evolution movie and Digimon Frontier, Omegamon aside). And indeed, if series like Digimon can pander to nostalgia by focusing on stuff like the Royal Knights, which don't exactly have much to do with the origins of the series, if you can nostalgia-pander from random points in the series like that like Digimon does via stuff like the Royal Knights... that makes the case that Game Freak and Pokémon itself could almost certainly do the same thing, and not everything has to be Gen 1 pandering, that other stuff would work just as well, so..