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Newly Elected US Senate's 1st Bill: Criminalizing Israel Boycotts
- Thread starter Laughing Banana
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Am thankful my local government is vocally opposed to the Israeli government so there is no fear in boycotting them.
But close American friends don't like criticism of it. People that are normally very informed and very vocal about discrimination and oppression just seem like they prefer to remain as ignorant as possible about Israeli-Palestinian relations.
I hope it's just my circle of friends and not indicitave of most Americans because the impact that international protest and boycott had in the overthrowing of the Apartheid government in my country cannot be overstated.
But close American friends don't like criticism of it. People that are normally very informed and very vocal about discrimination and oppression just seem like they prefer to remain as ignorant as possible about Israeli-Palestinian relations.
I hope it's just my circle of friends and not indicitave of most Americans because the impact that international protest and boycott had in the overthrowing of the Apartheid government in my country cannot be overstated.
Unconstitutional AF
Only Trumps dudes would rule in favor of some trash like this. The other conservatives may hate abortion and minorities but this is too wide ranging.
Tackling the tough issues first, I see. I guess they had to pay off the lobbies that put them into office first. To hell with hundreds of thousands of government employees not getting a check.
There is some level of logic that can go into this. Sort of a "if you are a US govt contractor, in order to perform your contract, you might have to interact with Israel/businesses, so you can't boycott". But beyond that, it seems clearly unconstitutional.
Nah not really. I mean certain wingnuts love that this dovetails, but really it's about America using Israel as a kind of regional dwarf superpower to keep the other middle eastern nations "in line". It is strategic primarily. the religious stuff is just icing on their cake of death.
I could see it passing both, ultimately I think it'll fall on the courts.
Many Democrats are also backed by Israeli lobby interests.
You should primary those fuckers out of the party.
I'm sure they have a lot of info and details about dirty shit that the US has done/is doing but this is about money and power, evangelical voters support Israel
I am always amazed at how much the US bends over backwards for Israel. To the point that they are willing to violate Americans first amendment rights for them.
I'm not sure a party exists in the US that would actually vote against anything pro Israel by a majority
This is also why you should be suspicious when they claim that they're working for peace in Israel -- for them 'peace' may as well mean 'they're all dead, even our purported allies'. Israelis dying in acts of war are a feature, not a bug, to them. It surprises me that so many of them accept this, but this is one of the contradictions of highly militarized societies I have difficulty explaining outside of a deep-seated desire for cruelty.
FWIW the company I work for does not allow for support of boycotts as part of business operations (obviously they can't control what we do outside of this). In practice what this means is that operating contracts can't have language that appears to support the Arab League or other organizations that are active in doing BDS. This is the sort of stuff that these laws are intended to deal with, since obviously it is not a crime to not purchase a sodastream or sabra hummus; the contract language can actually be analyzed in court. Now, the actual ruling should be (and it sounds like so far has been) that this is pretty plainly unconstitutional, though, so I don't see why they'd even bother.
There certainly isn't one in the United States right now. I would contend there's a need for one that isn't willing to sell out their values for such an aggressive lobbying power.
And this yet another reason why progressives won't leave him during the primaries, much to the dismay of those who expect (hope) Beto to enchant them.
Yes. Though centrists on this forum like their bipartisan corporate supporters.
Yup. My parents, for example, once outgoing, industrious people, became "born-again" Evangelical nutjobs in their mid-30s. Since then, they've just been waiting to die, holing themselves up in their house, terrified to leave it, praying for Jesus to come and take them away.
Edit to add that they're also HUGE Israel supporters, naturally.
Its amazing how Israel will bring both parties together.
Can't touch the Second Amendment, don't want to do anything about HealthCare or the current shutdown but when it comes to Isreal lets sit down and find a solution.
Glad the some Senators are waking up to this ridiculous legisation
Can't touch the Second Amendment, don't want to do anything about HealthCare or the current shutdown but when it comes to Isreal lets sit down and find a solution.
Glad the some Senators are waking up to this ridiculous legisation
I'm honestly curious if this has anything to with the shitstorm that Kaiser Permanente is trying to stir up lately...
Feinstein and actually I agree on something for once. (The free speech stuff, not the supporting Israel stuff, because fuck Israel and its oppression.) The world really has gone crazy.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/se...nti-bds-law-in-lame-duck-session.85987/page-2
As some people noted here, this thing could easily be struck down if brought to the supreme court in all states.
Sanders doesnt support BDS but that doesnt mean he isnt against pressuring Israel in other ways to get them to stop settlements. He's said that he'd consider stopping official government aid to israel as a precondition before
Its really sad and pathetic that we have to hold onto a single person to protect basic freedoms in America, regardless of what one feels about israel's tyranny
This is super basic shit, but we dont hear about it on the news media at all, CNN, MSNBC where you at. Shoulden't this be something your blaring out 247 as its an actual real bipartisan human rights violation?
As some people noted here, this thing could easily be struck down if brought to the supreme court in all states.
Sanders doesnt support BDS but that doesnt mean he isnt against pressuring Israel in other ways to get them to stop settlements. He's said that he'd consider stopping official government aid to israel as a precondition before
Its really sad and pathetic that we have to hold onto a single person to protect basic freedoms in America, regardless of what one feels about israel's tyranny
This is super basic shit, but we dont hear about it on the news media at all, CNN, MSNBC where you at. Shoulden't this be something your blaring out 247 as its an actual real bipartisan human rights violation?
They wont.
Politicians love Isreal, even the supposed "good guys" democrats.
Fuck you and your rights, they have a genocidal state to appease.
he's saying this bill implies that jews control the govn't according to those people.
The US helped establish Israel as a Nation State in the late 1940s for displaced European Jews to migrate after WW2. This was done through the UN. it was taken from the Palestinians and given to the European Jews. Strong relationships have been maintained with Israel ever since, with little regard for the Palestinian people
Ehhh, we've seen beginnings of an unholy alliance between nazis/fascists and Israeli white supremacists. Israel has developed closer ties with both Italy and Hungary for instance.
They both get to support each other in their hatred for muslims/africans and the collaboration with Israel gives them "cover" against accusations of anti-semitism.
1st amendment:
Hate speech must be protected at all costs and we should give a platform to Neo-Nazis to speak at universities.
Also, it's illegal to be critical of Israel's current administration.
Hate speech must be protected at all costs and we should give a platform to Neo-Nazis to speak at universities.
Also, it's illegal to be critical of Israel's current administration.
They do, but they also love ethno-states. Seeing a state discriminate, marginalize, and dehumanize another group of people in an official capacity gets white supremacists rock hard. It's what they want for America. "White countries for white people" and all that nonsense.
America won't let Israel be bashed because they need Israel as a proxy in the region. Of course you get all the religious fundie stuff about Israel, but the reason for the support is projecting American power. It's also totally fine to point out how Israel uses lobbies and pressure groups in the US to bring about support for them. We (UK) had an Israeli diplomat expelled after he was caught talking about trying to take down MPs that were seen as sympathetic towards Palestine. They often use organisations, like Labour Friends of Israel, to have independent groups with distant support from the embassy. All very dire stuff.
you'd be shocked at the love for Israel and the hatred of Jews that they seem to carry. One represents a strong, discriminatory and militaristic state and the diaspora Jews are the evil, rootless cosmopolitans that want to undermine traditional values etc etc. The fact that the new wave of white nat hates Muslims more than Jews probably helps with the support of Israel.
Right, and they think "the Jews" are the illuminati that controls the entire world. Legislation like this feeds right into that.