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Next Gen HP VR Headset ( Developed in collaboration with Valve and Microsoft)
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Cool, was kinda hoping to hear more info on more updates to Windows Mixed Reality at Build this last week, but I don't think we got much. I guess the time table on it is a little farther out. Excited to see what this new HP headset is all about.
I was thinking the same thing. Thought for sure it meant no info coming soon.
It's interesting that the Samsung Odysessy+ is also sold out everywhere. I guess in could be the virus creating stock issues, but I wonder if we're about to get a WMR 2 announcement soon and they were just clearing inventory first. If so, that rumored Samsung HMD could also be unveiled shortly. That China patent they filed looked funky. If it had a significantly wider FOV and was using next gen OLEDs, that one truly would be next-gen.
So it's looking like the 28th for its unveiling:
www.awexr.com
HP is having a tech talk on the 28th and MS is their special guest.
AWE USA 2020 - HP and Microsoft Tech Talk
Come learn more about HP’s vision for the future with exciting announcements and special guests from Microsoft. Join us for this special conversation.
www.awexr.com
HP is having a tech talk on the 28th and MS is their special guest.
I wonder if "screen door effect shaders" are going to be popular in the future when people are reminiscing about playing games on older VR devices. It definitely gives games a distinct, almost CRT like feeling.
Personally i hate it and hope that we can get rid of it soon.
Personally i hate it and hope that we can get rid of it soon.
I'm not selling my Vive for this very reason. It's the best way to play old (emulated) games IMO. You don't even need CRT shaders. You get that CRT grid structure for free. The colors, pixel structure, and motion resolution are second to none this way.
So it's looking like the 28th for its unveiling:
AWE USA 2020 - HP and Microsoft Tech Talk
Come learn more about HP’s vision for the future with exciting announcements and special guests from Microsoft. Join us for this special conversation.
HP is having a tech talk on the 28th and MS is their special guest.
Calendar marked. I love these new hardware reveals.
So it's looking like the 28th for its unveiling:
AWE USA 2020 - HP and Microsoft Tech Talk
Come learn more about HP’s vision for the future with exciting announcements and special guests from Microsoft. Join us for this special conversation.
HP is having a tech talk on the 28th and MS is their special guest.
Oh shit. Super excited for it. It's also so weird that it's the first and only non-Valve hardware being sold on Steam so I really wanna see what the have in stock
Doesn't seem weird at all since Valve has had some involvement with it anyway
That's what I'm most curious about, what level of involvement are we talking?
The tracking? Display? Controllers?
Think so. Phil hasn't said anything about WMR and the new Xbox, sadly enough.
There's definitely ways to cut some serious costs. Personally, if the 4 camera WMR2 rumors are true, I'd prefer the computer vision approach. Although I could also see lighthouse tracking be an optional route. This would cut hundreds from the manufacturing side. The controllers have some serious fat on them too. Things like the load cell sensors for squeeze detection? It's a gimmick that simply drove up costs on the Index.
I feel like they could cut some serious fat without losing anything on a practical level. Whether that would result in a cheaper price remains to be seen. I think everyone has conceded the mainstream market to Oculus. There's no profit margins to be had with how they're pricing things there. So it'll be priced as a premium product for marketing reasons (if for no other reason).
So they copied the touch controller. If the ergonomics are good, I'm fine with that. The grip button looks good. They ditched the useless track pad and hopefully gave the stick a comfortable position. If it feels like the Touch, I'd consider that a win.
EDIT: Just noticed it's got the side cameras that were rumored. Nice.
2nd EDIT: Probably new thread worthy. This is clearly WMR 2 and that's pretty exciting.
This is kind of what I wanted Rift S to be. A better audio solution and physical IPD adjust at around $5-$600 (price still unknown). As someone who's owned both Rift and Rift S I think I would have preferred a halo fit though.
Mamut sells grips that let you do this with Touch. People speak highly of them. Decent chance someone will make add-ons for this.
Have like another two months of waiting for the Index so it would be cool to have alternatives.
There are plenty of options. I got some for 10 bucks and they work great.
There are plenty of options. I got some for 10 bucks and they work great.
It's the same setup as the Quest and I haven't heard complaints about its tracking. The Rift S has one additional camera facing up but I don't know how much of a difference it makes.
edit- it's also double the amount of cameras on existing WMR HMDs.
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Controller upgrade is literally the touch controls, haha(but uglier, oh well)! If the headset is Index quality and the tracking matches Quest quality and they can keep the price under 600, they might have a winner. If they can somehow match Quest/Rift S price point at 400 bucks (which I highly doubt), then ladies and gentlemen, a new player has entered the fight.
I love most of what Oculus is doing with VR and their dashboard/ecosystem is great, but I do not like Facebook's data gathering stuff or required Facebook account linking for multiplayer. If this is WMR2 and the reference model/base requirements are good, MS might finally be ready to compete. Although I think Facebook will definitely continue to lead innovation for the time being.
I love most of what Oculus is doing with VR and their dashboard/ecosystem is great, but I do not like Facebook's data gathering stuff or required Facebook account linking for multiplayer. If this is WMR2 and the reference model/base requirements are good, MS might finally be ready to compete. Although I think Facebook will definitely continue to lead innovation for the time being.
Price is going to be key here. I think this will be a replacement for the 2018 model which is currently going for $399.99 so being able to see some big gains in inside out tracking and maintain that price point could be great. Luckily we're only a few days away from finding out.
Cool about what I expected. I hope that they figure out a way to have compatibility with controllers from different types of tracking solutions. Like using the Valve stuff with the WMR stuff would be nice. I want it to get to a point where the headset is as interchangeable as a Computer Monitor.
Guessing Valve's involvement was with the headphones and possibly the strap. Disappointing that the controllers are still built around holding them, but they look better than the current WMR controllers. Just need to see what the specs are.
Probably not what the tweets were talking about since it's not really an Index competitor. It's an enterprise focused headset.
599.99 (according to MRTV)
Valve designed speakers
Valve designed the lenses
- Same resolution as original Reverb (4320 X 2160)
- Still 90hz. New panels, however. Mura issues with G1 are supposedly gone.
- Sebastian trying his hardest to get them to confirm WMR2. No go.
HP claims they helped design these controllers. Are backwards compatible with WMR1 HMDs. HP will be selling them for people who want to upgrade.
- Face gasket is magnetic like on Valve Index. Material very similar to Index.
- Cable is 6 meters long.
EDIT: No sure why they deleted that tweet.
Here's the link for the pre-order if you want to sign up:
HP Reverb G2 VR Headset
The ultra-light, ultra-immersive HP Reverb G2 VR (Virtual Reality) headset delivers a more immersive, comfortable, and compatible experience. Learn more here.
www8.hp.com
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HP Reverb G2 brings four-camera tracking to its next-gen Windows Mixed Reality headset
Valve, Microsoft, and HP have teamed up to make the best Windows Mixed Reality headset ever. Here's why it's so great.
www.windowscentral.com
This seems to check all the right boxes except larger FOV. I don't see it as a big enough jump to ditch my Rift S but if I was in the market for a HMD I would be very interested in reviews. The $200 premium over Rift S is a bit much but the Index speakers, physical IPD adjust, and high resolution screen would likely be worth it for me.
I'm definitely interested and will give it consideration if it releases before my Index pre-order is up. What kind of hardware do you need to run that resolution comfortably?
HP claims at full res 90hz it would be similar to the Reverb so 1080/2070. At 1440/1440 mode a 1060 is the target for most applications. Supposed to ship in the fall.
Seems like a good in between between Rift and Index. That high resolution is pretty attractive.
is it cheaper? whats the price with all the parts needed?
Most (all?) steam VR games support in-game resolution scaling that should work and look better than actual physical lower resolution panels all other things being equal, so higher physical res is never a reason not to pick a headset even with older VR-compatible cards.
I think tracking and controllers are my two biggest questions on this device. I guess screen / lenses could be bungled, but that actually seems to be on the right track with the collaborations and early impressions.
I think tracking and controllers are my two biggest questions on this device. I guess screen / lenses could be bungled, but that actually seems to be on the right track with the collaborations and early impressions.
I'm so mad at my Oculus Rift at the moment. Left earphone just stopped working, which is a thing apparently... Does this have a headphone jack on the headset? That's one thing I like about the PSVR compared to the Oculus.
I read some where (not sure it was reliable), that even though you can detach the headphones if you want, you can't actually plug replacements headphones into a headphone jack. If true, that's a bizarre decision on their part.
EDIT: Also, I think the new Oculus headsets don't have that issue. Quest actually has two headphone jacks (can plug into the left or right side) and I've seen people doing mods on Rift S, so they must be plugging into a headphone jack.
The controls are going to be OK at best. Assuming tracking is decent you are still going to have controllers that lack capacitive sensors and have terrible battery life.
I do have the thing pre-ordered but my Index pre-order should be ready in another week or so and I think I may just end up going with it.