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Next gen PS5 and next Xbox launch speculation - Secret sauces spicing 2019

When will the first 'next gen' console be revealed?

  • First half of 2019

    Votes: 580 15.5%
  • Second half of 2019(let's say post E3)

    Votes: 1,347 36.0%
  • First half of 2020

    Votes: 1,657 44.3%
  • 2021 :^)

    Votes: 157 4.2%

  • Total voters
    3,741

VX1

Member
Oct 28, 2017
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Europe
Ah, it made it here, too. Shamepain is a banned former GAF member and doesn't have a history of being a tech guy at all.
Ehh,why am i not surprised...anyway,mods there on B3D (and it's really cool tech forum) shouldn't allow drive-by posts like that without some sort of user's verification.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Ehh,why am i not surprised...anyway,mods there on B3D (and it's really cool tech forum) shouldn't allow drive-by posts like that without some sort of user's verification.
Posts like that really don't do any harm there. People who post there know to treat posts like that with the proper amount of skepticism.
 
Oct 29, 2017
74
"This data are 100% correct and about the lastet dev-kits sony has sent to devs, i've a trustworthy friend in the industry who've access to PS5 dev-kit and of course i can prove it"

from shamepain in the beyond3d thread
 

xem

Member
Oct 31, 2017
248
"This data are 100% correct and about the lastet dev-kits sony has sent to devs, i've a trustworthy friend in the industry who've access to PS5 dev-kit and of course i can prove it"

from shamepain in the beyond3d thread
apologies, but which particular dev kit leak? too many to keep up with these days. If you have a link pretty please.
 
Oct 25, 2017
2,835
Damn...oh well.Anyway,it seems with Zen2 AMD will be able to go head-to-head with the latest Intel thing?For the first time since before Core 2 days i guess...
Until Intel releases their true 10nm core, yes. The architecture disclosure shows it will be meaningful step-up from Coffee Lake.
 
Jan 10, 2019
177
Has anything actually changed since the DF next-gen video last year where the expectations were of machines capable of up to ~14tf? Or have expectations simply dropped in the intervening period? I hear a lot of opinions here lately that such levels are essentially impossible in consoles, but I recall back then the DF estimates were thought quite reasonable? What gives?
A lot of people don't like the idea of capable next gen consoles and seem to think we'll be playing current gen graphics at 4K.

So in other words nonsense. If Sony are stupid enough to release a 8TF console that will not have a significant jump in asset quality (not just resolution) then they deserve to lose the generation.
 
Oct 27, 2017
225
It would be great if before people cross-post an alleged leak from a poster on another forum they take the 2 minutes it would take to look at that poster's post history there to see if it indicates anything that would support that they would have access to insider information. The "poster on Beyond3d" being referenced here has a post history that consists entirely of gushing over the visuals in various Sony exclusives and this "leak".
 
Oct 27, 2017
626
My favorite rumors are always the ones where the announcement is before a holiday season but the release is after it. Now I know it's been done, but with systems where the old one wasn't still a massive seller; Nintendo probably wasn't too worried about Wii U sales waiting on the Switch to come out, or Sony with PSP sales in the West waiting on the Vita. I can't see it happening with the PS4 -> PS5 transition.

Shawn Layden said retailers need to know what's up by the end of February, so it's difficult for me to imagine a scenario different from the PS4 announcement. February announcement, release fall of the same year, no trudging through a Christmas sales season with an old model when the new one is in the news.


Any good PSVR fanfiction lately? Last one I saw was basically magic; foveated rendering, eye tracking, 200 degree FOV, 4k, the lot.
 
Oct 25, 2017
2,835
My favorite rumors are always the ones where the announcement is before a holiday season but the release is after it. Now I know it's been done, but with systems where the old one wasn't still a massive seller; Nintendo probably wasn't too worried about Wii U sales waiting on the Switch to come out, or Sony with PSP sales in the West waiting on the Vita. I can't see it happening with the PS4 -> PS5 transition.

Shawn Layden said retailers need to know what's up by the end of February, so it's difficult for me to imagine a scenario different from the PS4 announcement. February announcement, release fall of the same year, no trudging through a Christmas sales season with an old model when the new one is in the news.


Any good PSVR fanfiction lately? Last one I saw was basically magic; foveated rendering, eye tracking, 200 degree FOV, 4k, the lot.
Patents suggest they’re looking at foveated rendering, wireless headset, position tracking, new move controllers, and a few other rendering tricks to improve efficiency.
 
Oct 27, 2017
8,459
UK
"This data are 100% correct and about the lastet dev-kits sony has sent to devs, i've a trustworthy friend in the industry who've access to PS5 dev-kit and of course i can prove it"

from shamepain in the beyond3d thread
I can't believe people are taking this seriously, even moreso considering the post history.
 
Oct 27, 2017
626
Patents suggest they’re looking at foveated rendering, wireless headset, position tracking, new move controllers, and a few other rendering tricks to improve efficiency.
Awesome, thanks. I'll keep my fingers crossed for a much wider FOV, them going wireless kinda surprises me unless it's an add-on.
 
Oct 25, 2017
920
A dev with a devkit wouldn't know anything about Sony's plans to announce the console or about the event for said announcement.
Well that's not true. Any PS5 announcement is going to need software to demo it's capabilities. Sony will have devs working on launch period games trying to have something ready by a certain date. Having a stable build for a show doesn't just happen. That's why you often get months old builds of upcoming games at various shows throughout the year.
 
Oct 25, 2017
9,559
It’s not really reluctant. As a collective, we don’t know what we don’t know and it is… is this Prince of Persia? If I jump, will the bridge be there? That’s what the ESA is right now. If we jump from the trade show thing to the consumer show… I do think the bridge will appear. We did PSX, we didn’t know what that was going to be like. We did it for the 25th anniversary of PlayStation, but we got lucky. If you build it, they will come. That’s the conversation we’re having in real time right now with the ESA. Just because PlayStation is not at E3 2019 doesn’t mean we won’t be there in 2020.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ne...irst-party-crossplay-etc.99090/#post-17807331
 
Nov 12, 2017
2,533
Also the game genres you cite as being 60fps have generally been 60fps every gen since forever, primarily because it makes most sense for many games in those genres.

If anything I'd argue a much lower proportion of games this and last gen are 60fps, as in the PS2 generation and before 60fps was pretty much ubiquitous across all games.
It sorta depends on how you look at it. I'm not sure what the straight numbers come out to overall but there are multiple franchises that have made the switch, though sometimes only partially. Off the top of my head, Resident Evil, DOOM, Wolfenstein, Mirror's Edge, Battlefield, Star Wars Battlefront, Nier, Metal Gear Solid, Killzone and Uncharted all used to stick hard to 30fps on consoles, but now they all at least target 60fps in at least one mode (Uncharted only in MP, but Naughty Dog did make it clear that they really, really wanted it to be 60fps but couldn't manage it on a technical level - not sure what the bottleneck was). There's also Devil May Cry, which went 30fps for the reboot, then swung back around HARD to 60fps when that was criticised. Ordinarily I'd probably consider this a fluke, but the fact that this is happening despite the weak Jaguar CPUs really makes me feel line there are a lot of devs who are genuinely seeing framerates higher than 30fps as important. Not all - Insomniac is one going in reverse - but quite a few.
 

VX1

Member
Oct 28, 2017
3,030
Europe
Kodera demoted as SIE CEO after only a bit more then 1 year is shocking really...i wonder what’s going on there?

Jim Ryan is great choice i guess,as a new CEO,considering Europe is PS fortess for a long time now.
 
Oct 25, 2017
9,559
Kodera demoted as SIE CEO after only a bit more then 1 year is shocking really...i wonder what’s going on there?

Jim Ryan is great choice i guess,as a new CEO,considering Europe is PS fortess for a long time now.
It seems like Kodera just wants to focus on services and things of that nature. The CEO stuff gets in the way of that. Someone like Jim is better suited for it.
 

VX1

Member
Oct 28, 2017
3,030
Europe
It seems like Kodera just wants to focus on services and things of that nature. The CEO stuff gets in the way of that. Someone like Jim is better suited for it.
Yes,but if that’s the case they should have put Jim as CEO in the first place year ago.And the guy deserves that,he is with Sony since PS1 days,in charge of Europe,and we are always their strongest market.
 
Oct 27, 2017
2,445
Germany
Jim Ryan promoted to President and CEO of SIE. Think it should be shared here as it may impact PS5 nextgen plans ...

#BCWhyWould AnybodyPlayThis
#NoCrossplayForTheChildren

"Sony Corporation and Sony Interactive Entertainment (SIE) today announced that SIE Deputy President Jim Ryan will be appointed President and CEO of SIE effective April 1, 2019. Current SIE President and CEO John (Tsuyoshi) Kodera will dedicate his focus on creating innovative user experiences and further enhancing the network area as Deputy President of SIE. At the same time, Jim Ryan will also assume the role of Representative Director and President of SIE's Japan-based legal entity, Sony Interactive Entertainment Inc., and John Kodera will be its Representative Director and Deputy President. Jim Ryan will report directly to Kenichiro Yoshida, President and CEO of Sony Corporation."
Source: PRNewsWire
Thread: https://www.resetera.com/threads/ji...-ceo-of-sony-interactive-entertainment.99087/
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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Feb 19, 2018
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So I'm curious now who gave Cerny his mandate for what is wanted in the box. We've basically gone through three people. Is most likely house/kodera? Communal effort?
 
Oct 27, 2017
633
Here are some of Shawn Layden's words in the Game Informer interview today that may or may not imply something regarding possible BC plans?

"What is it about having a streaming service like PlayStation Now that differentiates it from your other gaming experiences. Certainly I think one of the big benefits of PlayStation Now is its ability, on my PS4, to play the PS3 catalogue. One of the terrible circumstances of our gaming industry is that every time we launch a new console technology, we sort of put the last generation to bed. That doesn’t occur in movies. That doesn’t occur in music, but it occurs all the time in games. But PS Now is a way where all of a sudden you can bring back to life an entire PS3 catalogue though your PS4, through the streaming technology. It’s kind of new, kind of different. You can see what that would suggest for the future, so I think that was a good experiment. Maybe we didn’t explain it enough to really illustrate why it should be important to you."
 
Oct 25, 2017
9,559
Yes,but if that’s the case they should have put Jim as CEO in the first place year ago.And the guy deserves that,he is with Sony since PS1 days,in charge of Europe,and we are always their strongest market.
Mhm, but I suppose Kodera was already next in line internally but they only changed it now because it wasn't working out. I do think Jim deserves it too.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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So I'm curious now who gave Cerny his mandate for what is wanted in the box. We've basically gone through three people. Is most likely house/kodera? Communal effort?
Cerny and his engineering team, after discussing with developers, put together what they think will drive the future of their hardware business and if it's a good pitch then the President approves it.

That's how I imagine it works for them.
 
Feb 19, 2018
4,602
Cerny and his engineering team, after discussing with developers, put together what they think will drive the future of their hardware business and if it's a good pitch then the President approves it.

That's how I imagine it works for them.
Which I imagine would include backwards compatibility. All the third parties would push for that. First party? Who knows. Sony doesn't really have service based games