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Next gen PS5 and next Xbox launch speculation - Secret sauces spicing 2019
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Edit: on 2nd thought something beyond your word would be better, like a link.
it was some time ago, he told people who wanted 15TF to lower their expectation and people who expected 10TF to increase it. sadly he is not saying anything about the PS5 anymore.
of course the specific number could have been changed but from how he talked about it it sounded to me like the target was around 12 teraflops back then, and i really doubt they took it all the way down to 8 TF.
If they go over 11-12TF I'm sure it's gonna be premium models + base.
I'm not seeing Sony releasing anything above 10TF on a single device.
I still think Sony is going 1 device only
About the Radeon VII, I've seen some theorizing that, seeing that they have a huge variance in stock voltages, UV and OC performance, that we might be looking at a product that's based on binned MI50 chips - i.e. stuff that didn't hit the specs, bottom of the barrel chips. So things might look worse than they are.
Until Richard puts out a new video, his range was 11-15 teraflops. Tempering our expectations still puts us in the double-digits.
If his expectations had dropped from 11 to 8, it seems like he would have put out a new video making a solid case for that, it's not like putting out that type of video wouldn't generate a lot of buzz.
If his expectations had dropped from 11 to 8, it seems like he would have put out a new video making a solid case for that, it's not like putting out that type of video wouldn't generate a lot of buzz.
he never said these numbers, he replied to people who mentioned these numbers. i am trying to find that now.
EDIT: i am pretty sure it was in the old forum, not this one.
It was a good while ago and i can't remember the thread .
Still i remember it because people were throwing around all sort numbers.
He was like to low or to high.
It's good thing Modiz remember also or i would think i going crazy lol .
Is it Matt on era or neogaf, I would like to read through where he said what you remember him saying. Thanks.
i am looking it up now, it is most likely from the old forum as he only had one post in the first next gen thread.
Update: i am still looking but he has been heavily teasing the PS5 having full PS4 compatibility if anyone is still afraid of that.
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In the old forum he hinted about BC for PS5,as well as memory but never about TFs...i'm sure i would remember that.
On Era he hinted at 2019 launch,that's why we talked so much about it.Last time he said anything about next gen was in previous thread in September 2018 that he can't promise 2019 launch and that things might change.
That's it.
well i am clearly not the only one who remembers that gundamkyoukai above say they remember the same thing.
I found this
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foxbeldin said:
Yeah 8TF 3 years after the X would be quite underwhelming. Hoping for 10-12 but i guess Matt will shut me down on that?
Matt:
Why would I? Thats a much more reasonable range
https://www./threads/pachter-on-ps5...-to-become-default-ps4.1435722/post-249545313
The irony of this post is that if you were following the discussion on that B3D diagram, M3rcy, you'd have seen how people acknowledged it was a joke post..... unless you think "Cake" will be an integral part of the PS5's system architecture? lol
If and when super-SIMD comes, the way I understand it, it will generally just imply more GPU shader processor cores per CU, so the cimputation for calculating TFlops will remain the same.
The higher efficiency the architecture brings will simply mean better ALU utilisation, same as every other microarchitectural change seeks to deliver.
I agree. *Shrug*
People seem unnecessarily pessimistic about PS5 performance, but less so about Anaconda... I wonder why.
Yikes, although I feel this was pretty obvious the moment AMD acknowledged how few of them they were making.
another important post i found this is a random user:
matt's answer:
disclaimer that this post was made in 2017, so he expected back then that even in 2018 the PS5 would be stronger than 8TF, based on the post he answered it is obvious the meaning was the GPU jump.
Actually.
Not that this means it'll be part of the consoles. If we're dealing with monolithic SoCs there won't be a need for the IF to go off package.
So was Matt a dev? It just says he's a normal member on neogaf.
Everything Matt hinted pointed to 10-12TF. It is why I have stuck to that from 2017 and never wavered.
Matt just keeps a low profile and doesn't get caught up with flashy "verified" tags and just gets straight to the point. It does mean many don't know who he is and how long he's been around which leads to him being questioned (like who is this guy and why should I believe him).
Matt just keeps a low profile and doesn't get caught up with flashy "verified" tags and just gets straight to the point. It does mean many don't know who he is and how long he's been around which leads to him being questioned (like who is this guy and why should I believe him).
after what happened to the old server i am pretty sure all user data (description, avatar etc.) was erased, i am pretty sure he was a mod back then as well.
as far as i am aware, we dont really know what is his source? but he definitely has deep sources within sony, microsoft and i think nintendo.
that is why i really trust him to be honest, a lot of insider are trying to always tease stuff and end up being wrong because they post everything they hear but matt is a lot more careful about what he says.
i hope the 10~12TF target that was back in 2017 still is the target today.
Yeah, I'm fairly sure he had a tag back then, we're actually pretty lucky his post survived at all.
The most recent discussion prior to your post was about the diagram, but yeah the thread moves pretty fast and I shouldn't have made that assumption. Sorry about that.
So why is this guy being used as an authority when people can't even remember basic details about him?
No worries
No worries
Matt is someone who has been giving us info about different stuff for years on the old site and he is mod on here .
Would be great, imo. A 10 TF GPU coupled with Zen would be a nice generational leap.
Was just about to post this.
Woah, so komachi expects that the final processing speed to be much higher than 1ghz then? Closer to 2ghz would be crazy good for the ps5.
I assumed that was for desktop solutions. Anyone else reading it that way?
That's for PC Navi cards,don't expect anything like that in console box.
He is way too optimistic i think but we'll see.
I am predicting 8.2 tflops. Enough for native 4k according to Cerny and ps5 will be designed as a 4k machine. You don't need more.
Desktop comp not actual compact boxes using APUs but instead full die out chips.
Consoles could be around 1.3Ghz.
Well but weren't the rumors they posted said the ps5 uses Navi 10 lite.
How much performance can we expect from, say 1.5 ghz?
About ~15% faster iso clock. Alpha drivers, unoptimized benchmark, etc.
And maybe you are being too pessimistic?
The PS4pro used a polaris based 36CU GPU that had a base desktop clock of around 1.4Ghz. That means the PS4pros GPU was running at around a 40% lower clock. And this is all using standard cooling.
So if Navi can have a base clock of around 2Ghz there is no reason we won't see them running at at least 1.3Ghz in consoles. And more than that if going with better cooling.
I saw it there first and know exactly what context the post was made in.
Also here's what WikiChip has to say about CAKE in the context of AMDs infinity fabric.
It wasn't a joke. It was legitimate speculation.
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Well,it's not exactly easy to be optimistic about AMD GPU products in the last few years.
nothing about a PS3 backward compatibility.
he did call the BC "BC+" whatever that means.
well most rumors talked about how the previous GPUs being disappointing because of the shifted focus to Navi, so i still hold hope it could surprise.
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