If you could give a percentage, what is the chance an sku of the next Xbox will be more powerful than ps5?
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Next gen PS5 and next Xbox launch speculation - Secret sauces spicing 2019
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Or blur the lines between this gen and next. That rumored disk-less Xbox One S might be a super cheap way to boost #s of not just h/w but GP.
Back in 2013 after finding out the PS4 was 1.8TF and seeing what was possible on it. If I told you the PS5 would be 10TF to 14TF 6-7yrs later what would you have thought?
Here i'm wondering if an AMD 7nm APU with a 3.2ghz 8c/16t CPU and an 8TF GPU can do it but you might be right on it being from a 2080, that is one impressive feat.
Probably believed you, 30-40 TF's just seems.....much bigger of a jump, I don't know.
If Ms release 2 sku's and Sony 1 ...is like 100% or you think that Sony follow Ms just in the premium market?
If they release 2 and 2 sku's or 1 & 1 ...sure more than 50% is wishful thinking as you said
Since we have no information other than unsubstantiated rumour, the chances are 50%.
Until we have actual verifiable facts and info on the specs, there's simply no way to know either way.
Apple finally cave in to the multiple product models and Samsung followed suit with the Apple way by introducing 3 Galaxy S10 models this year instead of their usual 2. Its working out for them and offers good alternatives for consumers.
I really do think in 2020, Sony and Microsoft will follow suit with 2 models. Times are changing.
I really do think in 2020, Sony and Microsoft will follow suit with 2 models. Times are changing.
Also Xiaomi and Huawei
More time pass more I suspect that we will see two sku's from both Ms and Sony
I actually want MS to do this, just so we can finally put the whole idea to bed when the discless console fails to sell.
The discdrive doesn't cost anything at all really. Any belief that it would be much cheaper, doesn't add up with reality. But we have had this argument already many times, so I will leave it at that.
TheThreadsThatBindUs is completely correct. We have no information, therefore it is indeed 50/50.
You assume that in the case of 2 Xbox SKUs, the upper one MUST outperform the PS5 specs-wise. However, there is no evidence for that to be a given.
It is equally likely that they will have an indistinguishable performance envelop. There is also no credible reason why the possibility that both will fall below the PS5 should be entirely discounted.
XB Pro>PS5>XB Arcade
XB Pro>PS5=XB Arcade
PS5>XB Pro>XB Arcade
PS5=XB Pro>XB Arcade
Given what we know, which is fuck all because all the rumors have been weak and since our conjecture is still severely limited due to the fact that we need Navi performance figures (which they wouldn't actually solve this part of the mystery and only tell us about the achievable performance range)... The scenarios above are all equally possible.
I believe the optical drive for the PS4 Pro cost around 20-25$, I imagine it will be at least 30-35$ if they decide to upgrade to a Ultra HD Blu-ray drive on the next-gen consoles.
A regular Blu-ray drive today would probably cost them around 10-15$.
sure PS5 can be more powerful than Xbox pro .....but there's a price to pay for that. This would mean Leaving free market for a Ms console that cost 100 or more dollar less...(Ms second sku?) This would be more stupid than PS3 at 600$ and you can be sure that it will never happen again.
So your model is pretty much fucked up because is excluding the price that is needed to have the most powerful console.
We know from different sources journalists very close to Ms....and verified insiders that Ms have two sku's Lockhart and Anaconda one is more powerful than the other this seem to be a a certain thing. From sony camp everything is quite ..there are rumors about PS5 but not about different skus ... certainly this could change .
If is ...two sku's from Ms and one from Sony it's very likely Ms have the most powerful console.
Sony could go with two sku's to and reset everything ....and it would be 50% again
Or Ms could just put one console on the market and it would be 50% too...
But if someone go 2 sku's against 1 I give him 100% chance to have the power advantage
As I said before I suspect that we could see 4 sku's at launch
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Depends. If the ps5 is $400 and the xbox one x 2 is $500, xbox probably will be a little more powerful assuming they don't pull any more kinect nonsense. What really matters is the games and ps has the best selection except racing games.
"If"... "if"... "if"...
Ergo, no information... ergo, 50% chance as it currently stands.
Sony isn't going to make 2 SKUs, they will just follow that PS4 had by copying what worked before.
MS may or may not release 2 SKUs, but by the time they announce it Sony would have already made its own decision and in no position to change it. Sony isn't going to create a 2nd SKU in a few months from scratch, that's not how that works.
I should reply to the other dude but the reason it would be cheaper is nothing to do with the cost of the drive. It's because you'd have to buy all your games digitally.
Wikipedia says that the biggest UHD BluRay discs are 100gb.. I thought for sure they were bigger than that :/
MS will very likely sell this SKU using the cell-phone model. Buy a Maverick and sign a contract for 2 years of XBL and/or GamePass and pay one monthly fee to pay off the system and for the services (with a discount over paying for each separately). A tip-off is that MS is working on a service that let's you buy an Xbox and have it auto-attach to your Xbox services. This, to me, is clearly aimed at making it so that people who opt for this offering have a plug-and-play experience.
In order to keep this monthly fee as low as possible you need to make the SKU as cheaply as possible and the disk drive is not necessary for the core function of the machine, so it's a prime candidate for cost-cutting.
It makes total sense if you actually take the time to think about it.
I was under the impression that 3nm would be ready in more like 2024. Guess we have to wait a little longer.
Fuck 8K. I don't want to hear a goddamned word about even reconstructed 8K until the PS6 Pro at the earliest.
There are also Blu-ray XL discs that I heard go up to 128GB, but I don't know if the one drive could do both.
Sorry for the late reply. I enjoyed your post and wanted to wait until after work so I could answer it properly.
From about 1:54 in this video -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehjJ614QfeM
That is the level of visual fidelity I expect on PS5 / XB2 from a built from the ground up AAAA exclusive game.
Absolutely everything improved across the board from the geometric complexity of the World to the lighting to the pbr to the textures and to the alpha effects. To the average Joe it will look like mid level pre rendered CGI.
As someone else said almost all of your other points will be at least improved greatly as they're almost all tied to the CPU which is going to get in the order of a 4-5x leap in computational power.
People need to stop worrying and enjoy the show when they show what 10tflops (maybe more) can do with a huge budget and the most talented programmers and artists in the World.
Its not though..... its really straight forward.
Dies size remains about the same, 330mm2 to 370mm2. Fab process shrinks... so you can put more transistors in the same given space. technically at least 4x more t be exact.
Found this very insightful information I personally wasn't aware of. The info also explains why each new process node increases cost for manufacturing and why launching the next gen console will also take more time for manufacturing the silicon.
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If Sony were to release just one sku and it were under the upgraded MS one, would it be possible for them to one up MS two years later? As we've seen this gen people forget what base models power is when there's an upgraded console because every YouTube and Facebook comments section is littered with "XBOX IS MOAR POWERFUL!" Comments. People don't care what devs program for (base models) they care about numbers
I would assume it would be 3 years later and not 2, but yeah.
Whichever the case I think ms would be stuck with not being able to have a THIRD console on the market and Sony will have seen their hand and probably outsold them anyway
This is a speculation thread so all information posted here is 50/50 unless we get anything confirmed and can deal with it as a fact.
Very good points and this is what most people forget about or don't even understand to begin with.
A lot of people only think 4K 60fps! 4K 60fps! 4K 60fps! 4K 60fps! when it comes to defining next gen.
I doubt Microsoft/Sony would lower the prices on digital games.
I haven't bought a single blu-ray since the PS3 launched and the digital prices have been either the same or worse since then.
Ok....?
It's cheaper for them, not for you.
Just to refreshen the memory, here's what Major Nelson proclaimed last gen...
...and as far as I remember, they also combined the bandwidth numbers of eSRAM and DDR3 to represent the total memory bandwidth at the start of this gen.
Ahahah Amazing...btw I was just pointing out that isn't just sony or Ms doing that...both of them do when they canJust to refreshen the memory, here's what Major Nelson proclaimed last gen...
...and as far as I remember, they also combined the bandwidth numbers of eSRAM and DDR3 to represent the total memory bandwidth at the start of this gen.
This is why Fall iPhones have chips with manufacture dates in the summer of that year.Found this very insightful information I personally wasn't aware of. The info also explains why each new process node increases cost for manufacturing and why launching the next gen console will also take more time for manufacturing the silicon.
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Exactly same for the Exynos chips at Samsung they start manufacturing in November before the February/March release of the Samsung flagships.
Yes, so true,
I like res and fps but I'm more excited by more traditional gen graphical increases, things like 2-4x the polycount, a high number of more advanced lighting and particle effects, a higher use of advanced shadow techniques.
Hopefully so these kind of things are maximized more advanced dlss + temporal injection + checkerboarding type solutions will be more advanced and better.
IKR? Lol.
For what its worth those are just numbers though. I can promise you no one here is ready for what gaming with a great CPU+10TFish GPU will offer. Like someone else said, its like most people seem to not know that the games we have been playing since 2013 till now were designed to run on a platform with a jaguar CPU and a 1.3TF GPU. And games like GOW (generally sony first party/exclusives) were designed for the base PS4.
Next gen is going to be awesome. Its easy to look at games running on the PC with 10TF+ GPUs and great CPUs and think thats what next gen is aiming to match, but in truth that is the dumbest thing anyone can say or think with regards to next gen. Because in the last 5yrs r so very few PC games have even shown what those systems can really do.
I think I have said it earlier. But I will say it again. Just look at what was possible with GOW running on a jaguar CPU + 1.8TF GPU + 5GB of RAM. Now imagine what will be possible on a zen CPU + ~10TF GPU + 16GB of RAM. People talk only numbers and TF not because its what really matters, but because its easier t compare and contrast. You can't compare and contrast imagination.
Yes, I just did a post commenting on these things.
I think next gen will be like this, but with better environments + explosions.
Next gen graphical effects will make things like the dimensional rift possible, which look unlike anything we have seen this gen.
While I enjoy hardware speculation and the thought of cool next generation consoles, the platform features are definitely an underappreciated topic for next generation. Platform game "modding" support is an area that I believe Xbox could have a serious selling point if they execute it well for next generation, and they would seem to be the best equipped to do so given their presence on the PC side. My three boys have grown up in the age of "modding" of Minecraft and things like Garry's Mod and such, and we all know how huge modding has been over the years with Skyrim and Fallout games for example.
Windowscentral wrote something last summer based on some internal documents about possible work or plans in this area - https://www.windowscentral.com/how-microsoft-exploring-bringing-mods-xbox-one
And just yesterday they announced with Paradox Interactive that they will be supporting the 'Paradox Mods' platform on Xbox with full support initially for Surviving Mars and plans for other games too (they do Cities: Skylines and such also) - https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2019/02/20/paradox-mods/. I know that this isn't Xbox platform level support, but it does show once again that they are interested in this topic.
Windowscentral wrote something last summer based on some internal documents about possible work or plans in this area - https://www.windowscentral.com/how-microsoft-exploring-bringing-mods-xbox-one
And just yesterday they announced with Paradox Interactive that they will be supporting the 'Paradox Mods' platform on Xbox with full support initially for Surviving Mars and plans for other games too (they do Cities: Skylines and such also) - https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2019/02/20/paradox-mods/. I know that this isn't Xbox platform level support, but it does show once again that they are interested in this topic.
Platform features are definitely worth speculating on. I dismissed the share button button completely when it was announced. Now i love it. Going back over screenshots is like looking at holiday snaps from my virtual adventures.
A modding system might be cool i guess, though would probably have to be system level to get traction. I wonder how many people would be into it. Personally i have no interest but could be another share button scenario like above.
I wonder if Sony double down on VR, might they dedicate a bit more of the APU to the the CPU? A different CPU/GPU Balance between the two consoles might make some interesting contrasts/discussion.
Think voice commands could be something Microsoft might push. The tech has come on a lot. They've had 2 runs at it already with moderate success. PS4 has them too but it's under implemented and never discussed
There are 128GB BluRay XL discs but idk how that differs from UHD.
Samsung just announced they are no longer making any blu Ray players at all so that's another factor. UHD or regular
128 gig XL BluRay is actually a Sony "invention". Just happenstance though, doesn't really matter who it's tied to
Are 100gb blu ray discs even going to be enough for next gen, didnt RDR2 this gen release at over 100gb? how are they going to solve that next gen.
I know we have examples of 100Gb+ games, but I'd be really curious to see how many fall within that range. 50-70Gb seems more accurate to me, but I haven't exactly researched it yet.
Ship the game partially on disc, offer a 150gb day-one patch. :)
I've been playing a lot of PSNow the last few days and it pretty much solves the issues of giant game downloads buy letting you stream the game, while the local version downloads in the background.
I could see them offering this as an option for all PS5 games.
It was pretty cool to be able to hop nearly instantly into any of the available games without having to wait for the install/download.
One thing they need to work on though is the UX of migrating you streamed version save to the local version, it's a manual process right now, but should be completely seamless.
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