Nice. I hope the last 2 features will become RTFX instead and will be presented soon:
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Next gen PS5 and next Xbox launch speculation - Secret sauces spicing 2019
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Nice. I hope the last 2 features will become RTFX instead and will be presented soon:
Oh I see you updated your post
It is what AMD is going with for everything. No reason to expect anything else.
exactly. im beginning to think that the 14.2 tflops Project Epsilon leak was real. thats definitely possible on a $499 console if Sony wishes to launch at that price. $399 10+ tflops should be a given at this point.
This info is fake, shamepain is someone banned on the old forum and trying to sell his lie on B3D and made everyone there mock him...
AMD is clearly making the next generation SoCs for both based on their comments. The APUs will likely be 7nm to be a performance jump over current half-gen consoles. Zen 2 is a native 7nm design, so less work and cheaper to use that. Zen 2 is also a highly performant CPU core. Sony has been making LLVM commits related to the Zen family of processors.
I'm wondering if system latency will be (or can be) a focus of the next gen. Knowing that streaming is a future state, anything that can be done to reduce latency is probably worth looking at,
There's:
Input Device latency (gamepad bluetooth to system)
Latency in the hardware itself to take inputs and output to HDMI
game software latency
Display latency (not under their control)
I don't have a lot of visibility into if these items are material or even addressable.
There's:
Input Device latency (gamepad bluetooth to system)
Latency in the hardware itself to take inputs and output to HDMI
game software latency
Display latency (not under their control)
I don't have a lot of visibility into if these items are material or even addressable.
Without forgetting that PSVR2 may be wireless: https://gearnuke.com/ps5s-next-gen-ps-vr-2-could-possibly-work-wirelessly/ Knowing that such device requires high precision, I wonder about latency too for a such wireless device.
Could you link that? I don't remember.
Didn't Pete Hines tease he knew some next gen info?
Anything 12TF or above makes me a happy camper. Especially if Navi has a native 20-30% efficiency boost.
I suspect they will be a focus thanks to streaming. I expect Sony and Microsoft will be working to reduce latency across the board - both in-game via SDK on a software level, and on a hardware level. Moving to a focus on 60fps would help immensely, something Phil Spencer alluded to when talking about next-gen.
Display latency is also being reduced every year now by the major manufacturers - LG and Samsung seem to be in latency wars. This year's LG OLEDs will have only 13ms of lag - and even less again when using VRR.
It is on the very high end. Something disruptive would need to happen to make 13.8TFLOPs happen at a reasonable price point (also I think expecting 13.8TFLOPs based on the 13F8 codename from AMD is pretty far fetched and wishful thinking) even on 7nm.
Of course I won't say it is impossible and I don't want to undermine other peoples speculation and expectations, but I think close to 14TFLOPs for a 399$ (maybe 499$) would be so high that I would be pants down impressed even if it came out in late 2020.
The idea of 8 cores @3Ghz, 12-13TFs and 20GB RAM is mouth watering. I'd pay $500 but I'd think Sony would do $400 considering their forecast said heavy losses for 2019-early 21
I can see PS5 launching at $399 in spring 2020 and then wireless PSVR 2 launching at $400-$500 holiday 2020 to combat the Xbox next gen launch.
Can't wait to see what Insomniac can do for Ratchet on 10TF+
I can see PS5 launching at $399 in spring 2020 and then wireless PSVR 2 launching at $400-$500 holiday 2020 to combat the Xbox next gen launch.
Can't wait to see what Insomniac can do for Ratchet on 10TF+
Sweet Jebus, next gen has arrived!
Who is he?
Not shading the poster I'm quoting, but every time someone posts or references this post, the internet gets a little dumber.
I agree, 13F8 could mean something else, but still, I wouldn't rule it out. For all we know Navi could be highly efficient.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ps...-and-specification.3436/page-101#post-5294384
12-13TF was mentioned when I asked for clarification. Not based on actual dev kit specs though. Just a ballpark expectation.
i cant remember exactly, but with the ps4, the GDC leak i believe it happened one week after GDC?
I think he means 2012 yeah. The PS Meeting reveaing te PS4 was in Februrary 2013.
checked it was 19 days after GDC
https://kotaku.com/the-next-playstation-is-called-orbis-sources-say-here-5896996
gdc 2012, march 5-9
i think thats the first one?
It's a pretty long article, but information was really scarce.
Lol why? Do you know something we don't, or is it just gonna be "those specs are fake and impossible cuz I say so"?
I think June 2012 was the first time we got something concrete (gpu specs), but the RAM was rumored to be 2 with the potential to be upped to 4, and 7 months later was upped to 8. The cpu was something else too(steamroller), probably a very early ps4 dev kit http://vgleaks.com/world-exclusive-ps4-in-deep-first-specs/
To be fair, I can't imagine the CPU situation changing that much this time. Zen2 really is the only option here, unlike back then when Steamroller just wasn't right for a console. The RAM change was also very last-minute - would be hilarious if that happened again.
Wasnt the 8GB GDDR5 a huge surprise when they announced it?
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It was. Well, at least it was to me haha. I wasn't really following specification related leaks by then but it was one of the things that caught most people off guard.
It was a huge surprise even for Sony first party devs who only had 4GB devkits an developed launch games with 4GB in mind. Imagine if the PS4 was shipped with 4GB RAM or even 2 GB. The 8 GB at that time was seen as somthing huge yet as soon as the console released, the devs hit a wall and complained about it being not much. Same for the otther stuff. The stuff we are discussing and what many cry loudly to be too much will be no that much when the console releases.
Steamroller wasn't ready, not that it wasn't going to be right for the console.
Steamroller was planned and then got delayed. AMD instead offered 8 jaguar cores and the assumption was that asynchronous compute could make up the difference to a certain extent - i.e. offloading as much parallelizeable traditionally CPU work onto the GPU as possible.
MS also went further to bake in the SHAPE sounds processor to further offload the CPU.
Sony added the small ARM processor in the southbridge for backup OS tasks, again as a bit of a remedy for Jaguar's modest performance.
Moreover, Steamroller was only 10% faster than Jaguar. It would have a lot higher TDP too.
Thrashroller was already bad. Using Jaguar made the Celeron in OG Xbox look like a powerhouse. Which just shows that Sony really was so shocked with the PS3 fallout that they went back to drawing board and literally did a 180 on hardware philosophy (not just the design). If anything, Sony always emphasized a really powerful (and versatile) CPU. Jag was something Kutaragi would laugh so hard on.
Source on this?
Thanks for the details.
Seriously? It sounds like Steamroller kind of sucked. Thank the makers for Zen.
This Google Stadia shit is probably going to kill console gaming. 4k 60 fps in HDR. Like wtf. The input latency was negligible in the demo he showed running on like six platforms within seconds.
I just dont see why casuals would buy a $399 or $499 console over this.
Oh shit they just should a 56 CU graphics card running at 10.7 tflops. crazy. they were using AMD all along. what a betrayal lol i wonder if Sony's $399 console will be 10.7 tflops now that stadia is basically free with a subscription service. wowow.
P.S How can Sony justify selling a 10.7 tflops console for $399 with google stadia essentially being free.
I just dont see why casuals would buy a $399 or $499 console over this.
Oh shit they just should a 56 CU graphics card running at 10.7 tflops. crazy. they were using AMD all along. what a betrayal lol i wonder if Sony's $399 console will be 10.7 tflops now that stadia is basically free with a subscription service. wowow.
P.S How can Sony justify selling a 10.7 tflops console for $399 with google stadia essentially being free.
for the reasons you're stating I'm hoping MS just eats the loss on one sku and I honestly think that will be better for them. Keep it simple and you can still be most powerful
Iso-clocks?
Surely Steamroller would have been able to clock much higher?
I know Steamroller underwhelmed though, since it was a derivative of Bulldozer.
Sorry, what now?
Jaguars are much faster than the OG Xbox CPU. It's not even close.
10.7 teraflop gpu for Google Stadia (datacentre) i didnt get a good look at it, but i think it said vega 56?
If the Google Stadia's using a VEGA HBM2 GPU on its console, imagine it on a NAVI GPU with GDDR6 memory?
TEAM 12TF it could be happening.
TEAM 12TF it could be happening.
without the hbm2 memory. hard for ps5 to be less than 10tf
Guys this is exactly what i said earlier, Teraflops are now a marketing tool, no other future console wants fewer teraflops then there competitor next gen.
Finally next-gen specs!
Vega 56 Frontier edition (notice RAM size)
Yes, I should have specified I meant IPC, which is always iso clocks. See the image I posted.
Stadia is a terrible name. It sounds like an artificial sweetener.
Haha HBM2 ramFinally next-gen specs!
Wonder who else will be using HBM
Free? Please...we have to hear the price(s) at the end of this presentation.
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